Maddow - Establishment Media Hack

[kcjohn1]

I swore I wouldn't watch again, but I made the mistake.

Not only is she still showing the super delegates as "won" in delegate count, but she said Bernie cut the lead by "35" or "25" I can't remember which she used. In reality he cut the lead by 50 during the weekend, and 72 since the last "super tuesday".

Again more propaganda. No need to carry water for her corporate bosses as 50 is not that much better than 35 and the road ahead looks really daunting for him, but as journalist, shouldn't we hold her to higher standards?

[Nite Owl]

1. At one time I thought she

had some integrity but time has proven me wrong. KO must feel saddened that he literally put her where she is now.

[jwirr]

39. Are you sure KO is backing Bernie?

[1StrongBlackMan]

79. And is that the determiner of "establishment hack"?

[floriduck]

94. Rachel's former Air America peeps

have said on more than one occasion that she and Chris Hayes made the decision to put principles second behind survival in the world of media. They no longer trust them nor think they have journalistic integrity.

I used to be a big fan of both. Now, no much at all. MSNBC is dead in my mind. Been away from that network for quite some time now.

[Avalux]

2. Rachel "Hillary may I kiss your ring?" Maddow?

I no longer have any respect for her and I'm done with the MSM entirely.

[bettyellen]

52. Corrupt since she does not hate Hillary, LOL. Okay.

This shit never gets old.

[Trenzalore]

61. I think a week ago

She spent half her program going live to a Bernie Rally. How wonderful she was than...now she dare question the words of Tad Devine and she is the worst person on TV.

[bettyellen]

65. She gushed the "birdie" incident was adorable and people were mad she said that it was not

miraculous. She showed the clip 3-4 times, and had this funny bit from Portlandia about "putting a bird on it" and was positive the whole way through. But people were angry about her reporting.

[Trenzalore]

69. Well that explains it

She didn't say the bird was a sign from God anointing Bernie but rather proclaimed it to be simply adorable and cool.

[bettyellen]

72. I wish I was kidding. It appears to me a lot of people overreact without listening or reading.

I have had a few people insult me for saying things I did not- and then apologize after. Most don't. But this shit is bizarre.

[restorefreedom]

34. this. nt

[peacebird]

3. she appears desperate to elect a president with 'Lady parts'

[thereismore]

10. They get angry when you tell them this

but I know for a fact that there are some for whom that's what matters most.

[JudyM]

43. What do you base that opinion on? Wondering if she has said something that made you think so or if

you are assuming it for ... some reason?

Clearly she is in Hillary's camp but do you know for a fact that it is because she wants someone with "lady parts"?

[shadowandblossom]

93. Of course not. But it allows that person to be dismiss without having to address any deeper issues.

It's the easy way to handle it. Who knows, maybe that person is voting for Sander's "man-parts," as, let's face it, people always have done in our country... Granted, there's probably a few other factors involved, but hey, oh well.

[bettyellen]

70. oh god just stop these gross insults, please.

denigration of every stinking person in the world who is not Bernie Sanders. It is fucking ugly.
WTF, people? Rachel is amazing. She makes politics interesting. She gave that silly bird story five minutes and people here crapped on her when she gushed it was "adorable".

[JudyM]

95. Why don't you address thereismore's reply to that post? He's in your camp and saying the same thing.

I'm with Bernie and I'm taking issue with it, as well. For other reasons: it appears borderline homophobic to me.

[bettyellen]

97. I'm not in anyone's "camp" yet. This "lady part" shit mocks many many Dem women.

Such a cheap shot. I have no idea who's camp the other person is, seems unclear.

[JudyM]

98. I can tell you I have canvassed many, many women who are voting for Hillary because of her gender.

Some of the older women, in particular, aren't even interested in looking at Hillary's positions or judgment - they want to see a woman in the White House in their lifetime, period.

It is insulting to reduce it to "lady parts" as if it's a matter of pure biology. It is homophobic if the assumption is being made that because Rachel's a lesbian she is voting on the basis of "lady parts."

[bettyellen]

99. Ah, I get you. People have very odd views, someone just called it "the novelty of a woman

president" that they thought was alluring to voters. I thought that was odd. Many voters go for someone who they think will "get" them more than other candidates do. I like to think that is mostly based on they behavior- but obviously, that is not always the case. Good to see you Judy! Hope all is well.

[JudyM]

100. LOL Trump wld be as much of a "novelty" as Hillary, if not more so. Let's hope that doesn't catch on

backatcha

[bettyellen]

101. It was a young guy that said it. He also said engineers are apolitical, as if it was common

knowledge. I did not know that. Yeah, novelty... not good.

[boobooday]

4. I'm very disappointed

I just tried to watch again too.

I can't believe she is doing the opening 10 minutes on a bluffing comment by a campaign manager.

Well I guess I can believe it.

Anything but the issues and the positions of the candidates.

[kcjohn1]

8. All she has to do is he look up his spend in super Tuesday

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/clinton-outspends-sanders-super-tuesday-states-n524266



He spend $30K in ad spending in Texas, and she wants us to believe he competed there?

[Agschmid]

5. Reporting actual pledged delegate results from Saturday = Hack.

Got it.

Anyone want any Auntie Anne's? I'm going to the mall for a bit, I could pick up a bunch for us.

[kcjohn1]

12. If we are going to hold that view, how about consistency?

If she is only going to show delegates as they become officially pledged, why mix the superdelegates with pledged delegates?

Super delegates don't vote until the convention.

[Agschmid]

15. She was only talking about pledged delegates...

It was apparently a ~30 delegate difference.

[kcjohn1]

19. It wasn't

It is ~50. A portion of WA delegates will be allocated in May because of convention. They will be allocated roughly by the percentage he won. So technically he doesn't have those delegates right now, but will in May convention.

[mythology]

38. So super delegates shouldn't count because the aren't finalized

But delegates that aren't finalized for Sanders do count. Got it.

[kcjohn1]

41. You should be taking up this inconsistency with Maddow

If she didn't include super delegates in her count, I would have given her the benefit of the doubt on why she didn't include more of the delegates he won over the weekend. Why do you think she decided to include one, while not including the other?

More weird because Bernie is guaranteed those delegates, and its just matter of timing, while the Super delegates can chance their mind.

[JonLeibowitz]

102. The delegates from caucus states like Iowa are not finalized.

WA apportions based on congressional district and the relevant data has not been publicly released so it is all projections at this point. However, she should have listed what the expected pledged delegate numbers were.

[onecaliberal]

6. The sad thing is Hillary would have denied her right to marry.

She's a corporate media whore.

[Jitter65]

22. Hillary has her own personal beliefs as many others, but I doubt she would deny anyone's right to

marry now.

[Gwhittey]

88. before 2013 she would of

But now after polls should she was on wrong side of the issue she "evolved"

[riversedge]

9. Maddow tells what Tad Devine said today and she goes under the bus AGAIN

[kcjohn1]

14. Tell me

What do you see from there? Don't you think its odd that they have $0 in ad money in the South? Would you classify that as competing?

[Agschmid]

16. Nevada is in the South...

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-02-17/sanders-spent-nearly-twice-as-much-as-clinton-on-tv-ads-as-nevada-vote-approaches

[kcjohn1]

17. Divine didn't say they didn't compete in NV

He said they didn't compete in SEC states they got blown out.

[Agschmid]

21. But he did compete...

That's the point, tons of staff and offices in the states. This Tad Devine story just isn't true.

[kcjohn1]

24. Sanders spend $3M in ads in NV

They spend $30K in Texas, Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee, Arkansas and Virginia.

And you/Maddow want to tell me with straight face they competed equally in the SEC states?

[Agschmid]

26. Offices/People on the Ground... And yes I'm going to say that.

Devine should walk his comment back, it's a blatant misrepresentation of what actually happened.

[Trenzalore]

11. Another decent progressive under the Sanders purity bus. nt.

[onecaliberal]

29. She is NOT progressive for fucks sake. Open your eyes. Use your brain.

[Trenzalore]

33. Anyone who disagrees with the dear leader must be attacked. nt.

[Trajan]

42. She cannot be a decent progressive ...

... If she is hawking the very conservative, pretend democrat, Hillary Clinton. ...

We are not beholden to those who support the current system which has decimated American families, all while MSNBC AND Rachel Maddow collected their millions and billions, and somehow failed to mention how our middle class was getting hosed. ..

Rachel Maddow and MSNBC can go to hell ...

[Trenzalore]

46. All of her work for the people of Flint over the past 5 months

Down the toilet because she criticized dear leader.

[Trajan]

54. Ain't that a shame

To sell yourself so cheaply after doing such good!

It's a pity ....

[Renew Deal]

58. We need a lot more Maddows.

And a lot less of her critics. If there was just one Rachel on each network we would be much better off.

[Trenzalore]

59. I remember a week ago

When 1/2 of her show was a Bernie rally...she was riding high as a possible minister for Bernie but today she questioned something that the pure Tad Devine said and she must be cast out of paradise.

[Trajan]

63. I haven't watched national news media since 2000 ...

Why the Fuck would I be sucking their hind teat now ? ...

You're barking up the wrong tree if you're looking for someone to praise the national news media ... Those bastards have been lying to the American people for decades ... They deserve the back of your hand, not a big sloppy tongue kiss ...

But, hey, go suckle up ..... They need you ...

[Trenzalore]

64. I'm laughing

That a week ago people were singing her praises because she did something they agreed with and this week she questions a campaign manager's strategy or version of the truth and she's a co-conspirator for Hillary.

In short, you people are nuts. She's just doing her job.

[Trajan]

71. When did I ever sing ANY praises for a media pundit?

Get a grip ...

And ... Who are 'you people'?

[msongs]

13. hack = anybody who does fall down and worship the suddenly a democrat nt

[Cheese Sandwich]

18. Rachel Maddow is the liberal version of Bill O'Reilly.

Corporate propaganda disguised as condescending info-tainment.

[Agschmid]

23. Except not at all...

Ask Flint.

[LarryNM]

20. Keep Supporting the Corporatist Monster Or Your Gone n/t

[sadoldgirl]

25. For crying out loud,people

She wants to keep her job. Stick to the simple

explanations. While it is sad, she is doing less

damage than a lot of Superdelegates, who will

support HRC for the very same reason. At least

she does not have a decisive vote at the

convention.

[onecaliberal]

32. She spreads lies and propaganda to the low info. Aiding destruction of democracy

[Ccarmona]

47. "Low Info"

Is watching Fox News, or TMZ. My issue with her is that she allowed Brian Williams to share the anchor desk on election nights.

[onecaliberal]

83. I've got news for you NOT all of them watch faux

And even if they did that doesn't excuse the willful intention to mislead and or lie to people to achieve a certain outcome when you know damn well it is terrible for humanity, all in the name of greed. Fuck that!

[bettyellen]

75. Low info? Bourgeois propaganda.

[dchill]

27. I guess everyone has her price.

[MFM008]

28. what did she say that is wrong?

There is a process.no matter if you think it's wrong or not. The electoral process brought us 8 years of George .W Bush. The super delegate process will most likely bring us Clinton as nominee.

[kcjohn1]

35. 3 Things Actually

1) She said he cut the weekend delegate count by 35, when he cut by 50.
2) She continues to use super delegates in the total count. This is totally BS b/c technically 1) These people don't vote until the convention 2) Unlikely to determine the election (overturn Sanders pledged delegate advantage)

If you are using super delegates in the count, you might as well as use projected delegate counts from upcoming states using polls. I heard she is up 7 in CA, so why not use those numbers in her counts? I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't come to this.

[ThePhilosopher04]

37. She tried to claim Tad Devine lied by saying they

Didn't compete in the south, when it's obvious they didn't. She could have spent time on the Arizona voting issues but instead led with this hit job. She's as bad as all the rest. Very disappointing for someone with so much natural talent.

[marions ghost]

78. Yeah the sarcasm

the way she kept saying "and he said he didn't try..." (smirk smirk) in the South

--like the Sanders campaign were lying about it.

It was a hit job all right.

[ThePhilosopher04]

30. She's certainly become that. I no longer watch

her show. She's been walking the company line as of late for obvious reasons.

[brooklynite]

31. It's amazing; the Sanders folks get more abrasive whether he wins or loses.

[JudyM]

55. Some talk about real issues, not as abrasive as your preference in doling out bitter personal slams.

[brooklynite]

57. Here's some thoughtful "real issues" thrown at me this evening...

But you feel more comfortable with the rich than the working Class don't you. You'd just as soon like to see SS privatized wouldn't you?

[JudyM]

67. IMO that is quite tame compared to the tone and content of your posts as I have observed them these

past months. I am now finally saying something. I used to respect your views but the acidic splashing on this board that you've been engaging in is beneath what I formerly thought about you. If you genuinely do not intend your comments to be sparking any more than a twinge of animosity back in your direction all I can say is ...

[kenn3d]

36. http://demrace.com/ Delegate Tracker

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35? What was she counting?

Alaska_____16___Clinton 3___Sanders 13___S+10
Hawaii_____25___Clinton 7___Sanders 18___S+11
Washington _101__Clinton 27__Sanders 74___S+47

Clinton Total Delegates won 37
Sanders Total Delegates won 105
Sanders Net +68

There's a bewildering and rampant disparity in reporting of delegates won from site to site and amongst various MSM election graphics.

Chris Hayes also misreported the Democratic delegate race tonight saying Clinton could still mathematically accumulate the clinching total of 1237... big duh.

[RepubliCON-Watch]

89. Sanders won 105 delegates, not 95. Then the difference mathematically works. nt

[kenn3d]

96. TY - corrected

Thanks RepubliCON-Watch

My bad on the Sander's total (I've edited my post) Very sorry to add to the confusion.

But my point was the big discrepancy between the net S+68 calculated by demrace.com vs the net S+35 being reported by several MSNBC shows (at least one of which still correctly reported the current gap between Clinton and Sanders at 226.)

[madamesilverspurs]

40. OFFS

Please be good enough to tell us what messengers meet your oh so vaunted standards?

Actually, don't bother.

[kcjohn1]

44. Very few

Most MSM are full of hacks and corporate stooges.

Fox News is not the only propaganda out there. Actually they are the least harmful because most people know who they are. MSNBC/CNN are as bad if not worse because they innocent souls out there thinking they are shooting straight with them.

This election is opening lots of peoples eyes.

[Trajan]

50. OFFS ...

Today, MSNBC denigrates Sanders, and you are pleased and fully support their 'stories' that promote Hillary ...

Good for you ...

Now, move forward to after the convention when your preferred candidate is now the outstanding 'liberal' candidate in the race ...

Let's see .. republican vs democrat ...

Who does MSNBC promote then?

I know who they will promote, and so do you ...

I won't have anything to say about it .. I was finished with them ten years ago ...

[bettyellen]

62. The Young Turks- in fact, they should be hosting the debates!

Even though they are only online, LOL.

[TheDormouse]

45. Maddow isn't a journalist; she's a political commentator nt

[kcjohn1]

48. Not even a good one

She wants us to believe despite Sanders campaign spending $30K in ad money in Texas, Georgia, Virginia, Arkansas, Tennesse and Alabama that Sanders campaign fought for votes in those states.

Either she is stupid to tell the difference when someone is really campaigning in a state or she is trying to drive a narrative for her corporate lords.

[litlbilly]

49. she better watch out when keith is back up and running. he hasnt forgoten how she ignored him

and he will point out who she has become like the rest of the msnbc'rs.

[Trenzalore]

60. Keith will implode in 6 months

Love him, think he's great. Can't keep a job.

[litlbilly]

74. thats all hes gonna need, 6 months

[Trenzalore]

80. He needs to land where people will actually hear him

and he's burned a lot of bridges.

Love him as a commentator in both politics and sports. Wish he would play the game better and stay on the air instead of flaming out.

[litlbilly]

81. he could probably join tyt, that might work

[litlbilly]

82. nothing he could say to outdo cenk and company:)

[bettyellen]

73. ignored him? was there an incident?

[Blue_In_AK]

51. Oh, yeah, I was yelling at the TV.

[polichick]

53. She seemed to fall in line a while back when others were fired...

Chose her paycheck I guess, but we stopped watching her at our house.

[CharlotteVale]

56. She's an unethical hack. Haven't watched her in years.

[jillan]

66. #BoycottMSNBC The comcast ceo fundraises for Hillary.

[bravenak]

68. Oh no!! Here comes the bus!

[stevenleser]

85. Unbelievable lately...

smh

[bravenak]

86. Daily thing.

SMH

[Tommy2Tone]

76. Sorry that some people can't handle the truth

Rachael is just reporting the facts but they don't seem to matter to some people.

[emulatorloo]

77. Y'all loved her the last time she interviewed Bernie.

[KeepItReal]

84. Has she stopped devoting the fist 30 minutes of each and every show to GOP coverage?

I TiVo her every day and all I would see is more than half a show of solid GOP train wreck, a fraction of Bernie vs Hillary and then some meaningful Flint lead poisoning coverage.

Sad. I guess she can't fight it or they'd axe her also.

[Gothmog]

87. Math is math

The fact that Sanders supporters dislike the results of the math is meaningless

[Skwmom]

90. Ms. Selective Outrage has sold any journalistic integrity she might have had a long time ago.

[dubyadiprecession]

91. Bernie is losing, even when it looks like he's winning at times.

There is just too much ground for him to make up. He needed to win big weeks ago. His huge win in Michigan as it was touted, only showed him beating hillary by only 2% in the final tally.

I know he wasn't supposed to win that state anyway, but he truly needed to win big there for a more sizable delegate count.

[krawhitham]

92. Cut the lead by 66 last weekend

Alaska
13 to 3 - gain 10

Hawaii
17 to 8 - gain 9

Washington
74 to 27 - gain 47