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Native

(5,942 posts)
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 11:21 PM Mar 2016

Dear Bernie: Leave an a High Note

Assuming that Reinish is calling it correctly when he says, "The two “m” words that matter most in a campaign, math and map, just aren’t on his side...."

...."Worrisome data bears out that over one-third of Sanders voters when polled have said they will stay home if Bernie isn’t the nominee. The candidate himself needs to course-correct on this, and fast. There’s too much at stake.....He also has to emphasize that you aren’t a progressive, or a fighter, but an infant and a narcissist, if you spitefully stay home in your bathrobe on November 8 in an effort to “send a message.” If his campaign was about transcendent, transformative ideas and is indeed a movement, he must make the case to his supporters that at the end of the day it doesn’t matter whose torch they march under and remove ego from the equation..."

http://observer.com/2016/03/dear-bernie-leave-on-a-high-note/

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Dear Bernie: Leave an a High Note (Original Post) Native Mar 2016 OP
Bernie needs to keep going and we will keep supporting him...the rest is bull shit. bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #1
Bernie SHOULD leave on a high note. FBaggins Mar 2016 #52
he he he bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #66
He's not all wrong. dogman Mar 2016 #2
Hillary should get out while she's not under an FBI indictment recommendation Vote2016 Mar 2016 #3
+1! GreenPartyVoter Mar 2016 #49
+1 nt magical thyme Mar 2016 #60
It's the dignified thing to do. phantom power Mar 2016 #62
This worries Wisconsin voters, according to what they said to me yesterday... MrMickeysMom Mar 2016 #63
Jon Reinish is a Democratic strategist choie Mar 2016 #4
Screw that noise Art_from_Ark Mar 2016 #5
LET EVERY LAST VOTER HEAR YOUR MESSAGE, BERNIE snowy owl Mar 2016 #6
He'll fight to win the nomination--that will be the high note. BillZBubb Mar 2016 #7
Whining is annoying. . . i wish they'd quit. Absolutely desperation snowy owl Mar 2016 #8
The only high note here is the incessant whining! dchill Mar 2016 #54
Spoken like a true fanatic. nt Native Mar 2016 #9
Projection much? I'm not the one posting nonsense OP's calling for anyone to quit the race. BillZBubb Mar 2016 #59
So glad to hear you're not the one posting nonsense calling for Hillary to quit the race! Native Mar 2016 #65
In what reasoning system jeepers Mar 2016 #10
That's a lie. delrem Mar 2016 #11
His Twitter is full of retweets of Hillary Clinton. Bias much? Pffft ... ebayfool Mar 2016 #12
Dear Bernie: Stay and let me vote for you! oldandhappy Mar 2016 #13
My dear oldandhappy! YES! CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2016 #15
Man are you guys so easily riled up... Native Mar 2016 #14
so you admit you're only trolling is that it? ibegurpard Mar 2016 #22
Yup, trolling nichomachus Mar 2016 #38
Someone must have sent out Art_from_Ark Mar 2016 #46
Here comes the touchdown! Trajan Mar 2016 #29
He can end it in June if he wants. geek tragedy Mar 2016 #16
Just like Arizona. Don't let people vote. jillan Mar 2016 #17
"transcendent, transformative ideas" dana_b Mar 2016 #18
If his campaign was about transcendent, transformative ideas and is indeed a movement Joe the Revelator Mar 2016 #19
So Jon Renish has written a grand total of two recent articles.. Joe the Revelator Mar 2016 #20
All I have to say is...Bullshit...Bernies not leaving and neither are we. you better get used to it litlbilly Mar 2016 #21
The real two letters that really matter: H and T...Honesty and Trustworthy litlbilly Mar 2016 #23
The better Bernie does SheilaT Mar 2016 #24
I don't know, but the terror levels are rising Hydra Mar 2016 #40
"Dear Bernie: Ino Mar 2016 #25
Bernie plans on leaving on a high note on January 20th, 2025. jfern Mar 2016 #26
Why not let everybody vote first? The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2016 #27
Like after.... smoking a joint during a 4 minute interview? n/t blueintelligentsia Mar 2016 #28
Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #30
LOL!!!! riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #31
Bernie and his supporters aren't going anywhere. Hillary should leave on a high bark. PonyUp Mar 2016 #32
What a smarmy, snarky piece of shit this faux columnist is BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #33
Yeah mcar Mar 2016 #51
if she doesn't like such a high level of disgust, she shouldn't have backed IS MisterP Mar 2016 #34
All your vote are belong to us!!!! TDale313 Mar 2016 #35
That would be a pleasant change. nt ucrdem Mar 2016 #36
Paid polls not going as well as expected I presume. Kalidurga Mar 2016 #37
No. Surprisingly Aerows Mar 2016 #39
Hillary can't leave on a high note nichomachus Mar 2016 #41
The SURVIVAL of my grandchildren on this planet ISNT FUCKING EGO! onecaliberal Mar 2016 #42
"I hope be remembered as teachable moments—or distinct lapses in taste." Hydra Mar 2016 #43
This is a despicable attempt to disenfranchise voters in the remaining primaries 2banon Mar 2016 #44
The question is what will Hillary supporters do when he is our nominee? Rosa Luxemburg Mar 2016 #45
He doesn't have to say a damned thing... ljm2002 Mar 2016 #47
He won't leave at all, and he won't change his tune at the behest of those who strike wrong notes Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #48
Interesting read mcar Mar 2016 #50
Too late enid602 Mar 2016 #53
I think he meant LIVING on a High Note Hiraeth Mar 2016 #55
dear hillary: for once, put the country ahead of your own greed and ambition. restorefreedom Mar 2016 #56
Dear Jon Reinish: FUCK YOU LWolf Mar 2016 #57
Preach it! demwing Mar 2016 #61
I don't think there should be calls for Bernie to drop out MineralMan Mar 2016 #58
Leave?? Yeah, they wish Bernie would just go away. Avalux Mar 2016 #64
If Clinton wants more votes let her adopt, sincerely, Sanders' positions. GreatGazoo Mar 2016 #67

dogman

(6,073 posts)
2. He's not all wrong.
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 11:25 PM
Mar 2016

He wrote this:"Jon Reinish is a native New Yorker who works in political communications, strategy and media. His opinions are his own and can be taken with a deer lick's worth of salt."

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
63. This worries Wisconsin voters, according to what they said to me yesterday...
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 10:39 AM
Mar 2016

I phone bank, so I'm actually hearing it straight from THEM. HRC's indictment has the voter concerned.

choie

(4,111 posts)
4. Jon Reinish is a Democratic strategist
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 11:26 PM
Mar 2016

who used to work for Kristen Gillibrand - he's hardly unbiased. Of course, he would write a piece like this. Come on, do some research...

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
5. Screw that noise
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 11:27 PM
Mar 2016

Voters in the last 5 of 6 states have overwhelmingly supported Bernie, at least 2-to-1 in all 5 states. And Bernie won every single county in all 3 of the most recent states. Meanwhile, Hillary has the spectre of investigations by various agencies shrouding her candidacy.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
7. He'll fight to win the nomination--that will be the high note.
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 11:27 PM
Mar 2016

All these Hillary fanatics are showing their desperation.

dchill

(38,472 posts)
54. The only high note here is the incessant whining!
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 09:45 AM
Mar 2016

Make it stop.

Where are the "high notes" from the HRC Campaign?

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
59. Projection much? I'm not the one posting nonsense OP's calling for anyone to quit the race.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 10:24 AM
Mar 2016

That seems to be the realm of the Hillary fanatics.

Native

(5,942 posts)
65. So glad to hear you're not the one posting nonsense calling for Hillary to quit the race!
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 11:16 AM
Mar 2016

Now if you could kindly get some of the Revolution Messaging trolls to do the same along with the true Bernie supporters who have gone off the rails into cultdom, we might be able to get back to the days of spirited discourse and a real exchange of ideas and opinions. I too think Reinish is premature in calling for Bernie to back out now, but as Reinish puts it "The stakes have never been higher. There are two choices: unity or Trump." To not vote in the general election simply because your candidate doesn't win the nomination is simply a vote for the other side. Period. Personally, I think Cruz would be even scarier than Trump, and I will vote for the Democratic candidate regardless of who it is. Moreover, I think we do our party a disfavor by denigrating other Dem candidates by using trash we've pulled from Rabid Right Wing sites and worse. Hillary = Hitler? Prostituting Chelsea? I could fill up an entire journal with the crap that's been posted here. Reinish's opinion as a Dem strategist is simply his opinion, and compared to the stuff that gets posted with unfortunate regularity here about Hillary, his piece is about as denigrating as toasted bread in warm milk.

jeepers

(314 posts)
10. In what reasoning system
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 11:32 PM
Mar 2016

does a transcendent transformative campaign not be concerned with whose torch they march under? Once you've finished with the insults you blather on with this nonsense , all the while begging for our support.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
11. That's a lie.
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 11:32 PM
Mar 2016

Support for Bernie is support for ideas, policies.
That kind of support isn't transferable to someone who buys out a fucking name.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
16. He can end it in June if he wants.
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 11:41 PM
Mar 2016

After he gets stomped in NY, PA, CT, DE and MD part of me wants to see Devine and Weaver squirm while claiming he has a path to victory.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
17. Just like Arizona. Don't let people vote.
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 11:42 PM
Mar 2016

A reminder to all. We live in America. We have a right to vote. There are a little bit less than half of the states that have not voted. Shame.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
18. "transcendent, transformative ideas"
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 11:44 PM
Mar 2016

and voting for HILLARY will push those type of ideas forward??

Is Reinish HIGH?!

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
19. If his campaign was about transcendent, transformative ideas and is indeed a movement
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 11:45 PM
Mar 2016
he must make the case to his supporters that at the end of the day it doesn’t matter whose torch they march under and remove ego from the equation



The fuck does that even mean?? It DOES matter who you are 'marching under'. A whole awful lot.
 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
20. So Jon Renish has written a grand total of two recent articles..
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 11:46 PM
Mar 2016

...why am i suppose to care what he says?

 

litlbilly

(2,227 posts)
21. All I have to say is...Bullshit...Bernies not leaving and neither are we. you better get used to it
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 11:49 PM
Mar 2016
 

litlbilly

(2,227 posts)
23. The real two letters that really matter: H and T...Honesty and Trustworthy
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 11:55 PM
Mar 2016

Kind like a republicans rationale for voting for Bernie:

I don't like anything he stands for but he is honest and trustworthy.
Dammit Bernie...wants to give me healthcare
Dammit Bernie...wants to make sure my kids can go to college
Dammit Bernie...wants to make the rich pay their fair share and take away corporate welfare.
Dammit Bernie...wants to make sure I get a living wage
Dammit Bernie...wants to give women equal pay and let them control their own bodies
Dammit Bernie...wants to take corporate money out of politics, where do you get your money? oh wait, never mind
Dammit, Dammit, well ok Bernie, I don't agree with that crap but I'll vote for you because
you tell the truth...

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
24. The better Bernie does
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 11:58 PM
Mar 2016

the more desperate the calls for him to drop out.

How interesting. What could they possibly be afraid of?

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
40. I don't know, but the terror levels are rising
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:36 AM
Mar 2016

I really want to know what shoe is going to drop that they think will sink her campaign.

Ino

(3,366 posts)
25. "Dear Bernie:
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 11:59 PM
Mar 2016

Please quit and give all your supporters (and their money) to Hillary. You are so worrisome to us! Wah!"

I don't care if Hillary worries. [URL=http://www.sherv.net/][IMG][/IMG][/URL]

Response to Native (Original post)

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
33. What a smarmy, snarky piece of shit this faux columnist is
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:13 AM
Mar 2016

I've never heard of him before and hope to never be exposed to his wretched writing again.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
34. if she doesn't like such a high level of disgust, she shouldn't have backed IS
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:14 AM
Mar 2016

and when Honduras's kingpin told her the country has too much democracy she shouldnt've said "sure!"

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
35. All your vote are belong to us!!!!
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:18 AM
Mar 2016

Sheesh, get some new material. This is going to the convention. He's not getting out. And Hillary isn't owed our votes- she's gonna have to earn them.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
39. No. Surprisingly
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:35 AM
Mar 2016

despite the propaganda someone was pushing, the Sanders campaign is "hurting financially", and spending like a drunken sailor*.

*Actual quote by a DUer.

onecaliberal

(32,826 posts)
42. The SURVIVAL of my grandchildren on this planet ISNT FUCKING EGO!
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:39 AM
Mar 2016

This is why we are stuck with the same God damn bullshit

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
43. "I hope be remembered as teachable moments—or distinct lapses in taste."
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:40 AM
Mar 2016

Well, damn. 2008 seems to have fit that to a T, and Team Hill is still doing it. Lapse of taste or a steep learning curve?

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
44. This is a despicable attempt to disenfranchise voters in the remaining primaries
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:40 AM
Mar 2016

Despicable, contemptible, outrageous.

to the trash this goes!

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
47. He doesn't have to say a damned thing...
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 02:07 AM
Mar 2016

...to his supporters about who they need to vote for in the general. Not while the primaries are still going on and while he is still battling to win it.

When the general election rolls around, whoever is the Democratic nominee will be making those arguments to their supporters. Until then, no.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
48. He won't leave at all, and he won't change his tune at the behest of those who strike wrong notes
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 02:19 AM
Mar 2016

with his voters - day after day. The numbers suggest he could win BIG against Trump, and only Clinton is burning bridges here. That is how the land lies. That is your "math" and your "map".

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
56. dear hillary: for once, put the country ahead of your own greed and ambition.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 09:46 AM
Mar 2016

do what is right for the country and step aside.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
57. Dear Jon Reinish: FUCK YOU
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 09:52 AM
Mar 2016

and the bully brigade you wrote in with.

Bernie cannot "correct" this reality.

He can, and will, support HRC should she win the nomination, which he, and I, are not yet conceding, thank you.

He can't determine the votes of the people supporting his campaign should he not win the nomination. That's democracy. People have a right to determine their own vote, and they will.

Votes aren't owed.

I support Sanders because of his positions and record on issues. Not because I need him to tell me how to vote.

I guess some voters need to be led. I guess I view people who need someone else to do their thinking for them as part of the problem, not part of the solution.

Too much at stake? The establishment thumbs its nose at voters, and then kicks the bullying into gear to try to cow them into submission with terms like "infant," "narcissist," "spite." FUCK THAT. What's at stake is the identity of the Democratic Party, among other things, and some of us will not be going quietly.

I'll be staying at home in my bathrobe on November 8th no matter who I've voted for; I always vote in my bathrobe. I have no worries about reduced polling places or voter suppression in my state.

I'll be voting for the best candidate on my ballot based on positions and record on issues, as I always do. Spite has nothing to do with it.

Remove your own ego from the equation.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
58. I don't think there should be calls for Bernie to drop out
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 09:57 AM
Mar 2016

until after the big states in the Northeast have weighed in. If Hillary wins those with good margins, the pledged delegate count will make it impossible for Bernie to win the nomination. If that happens, then the call for him to stop his campaign will make perfect sense. Once we see results from NY, PA and MD, we'll have a much clearer picture.

Bernie should continue campaigning at least through April.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
64. Leave?? Yeah, they wish Bernie would just go away.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 10:44 AM
Mar 2016

Tell me why again? When:

1. Bernie is only trailing 6% in pledged delegates
2. His momentum is on the upswing after 3 blowouts on Saturday
3. Many more states have yet to vote
4. Bernie's close in CA and other upcoming states
5. He's more popular than ever, raising 4 million in a few days

Hillary Inc. would love nothing more than for Bernie to give up. Sorry but it's NOT going to happen.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
67. If Clinton wants more votes let her adopt, sincerely, Sanders' positions.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 11:23 AM
Mar 2016

To demand otherwise is undemocratic.

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