Debates: First she agreed to them but....

[Joe the Revelator]

....she was just lying like she always does? Is that the take away here?

This is the most bullshit quote for a campaign I've ever read:

“The debates have been very good, but Senator Sanders doesn’t get to decide when we debate, particularly when he’s running a very negative campaign against us. Let’s see if he goes back to the kind of tone he said he was going to set early on. If he does that, then we’ll talk about debates, but we’re not going to talk about it” Benenson said.

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She agreed to debates in April and May. She's a snake and the worst kind of politician.

[TDale313]

1. It's so typical of her.

Her word means nothing.

[ibegurpard]

2. but then there was a "tone"...

[Joe the Revelator]

3. Pretty much this....

[Gwhittey]

5. Tone can mean

harmonize with (something) in terms of color. Maybe that is it. They are saying Sanders is too white, another race baiting.

[snowy owl]

4. Shows fear on her part. If she renegs, why do supporters think they can trust her?

[blueintelligentsia]

6. She's looking into it...what don't you understand about that? n/t

[AgerolanAmerican]

7. The way to achieve proper tone

is when you ask, have a check in your hand written out to the Clinton Foundation

[NWCorona]

9. Ah the Daredevil meme

Funny

[bravenak]

26. Are you serious?

Ok. That is 'Tyrone the Crackhead' from Dave Chapelle's show. Hmm. I cannot believe you find that funny.

[NWCorona]

43. Context

Yes Tyrone was a funny character and there's no way that Hillary's a crackhead so save the outrage.

I thought it was funnY they reused that Daredevil meme as I use it all the time.

[bravenak]

51. But when you make it into a white woman in blackface, does that not change the humor level?

[NWCorona]

52. The meme is still there and it's not blackface

Hillary's face is just superimposed over Dave's body.
I'm not aghast by the meme but not shocked by it being hidden either.

[bravenak]

53. Nope. Take another look

They browned her face. That's blackface. Everybody knows this.

[NWCorona]

54. If anything it's yellow.

I know what blackface is BTW

[bravenak]

55. I doubt it at this point

[NWCorona]

56. You can insult me if you want

But I didn't jump on the band wagon when it was the other way around.

I'm not here to be pretty or score points. I like to debate and keep it respectful.

[Hydra]

10. We all knew it before

Bernie wanted more debates. "Nope." Team Hill needs a boost? Beg/Plead/Demand for more. "Ok." Later "Ok, I don't need more, no more debates."

[geek tragedy]

11. Do winning campaigns ever complain that the losers refuse to debate them? nt

[cui bono]

13. Do Hillary supporters ever pretend to be Bernie supporters? n/t

[senz]

16. Of course they do. If they're Hill supporters, honesty isn't important to them.

[ljm2002]

15. She already agreed to more debates.

Why is that so hard to understand?

[pnwmom]

17. Please post a link showing that she ever agreed to a debate in NEW YORK.

What about Pennsylvania? Delaware? New Jersey?

We didn't have a debate in WA but no one here was complaining.

It's up to her if she wants any more, but she has never committed to one in NY. And they've already had 8 debates and 10 Town Halls -- all of which were broadcast nationally.

Enough already.

[ljm2002]

22. Please try and keep up...

...the post I was responding to asked: "Do winning campaigns ever complain that the losers refuse to debate them?"

Right now the Clinton campaign is making noises like they don't intend to have any debate before the New York primary.

[pnwmom]

23. You keep up. Their comment was specifically in response to calls for a NY debate. n/t

[ljm2002]

36. Benenson was responding to a question...

...regarding the Sanders campaign's request for a debate in New York before the New York primary, yes. But Benenson's refusal was broader and mentioned the time but not the place:

“The debates have been very good, but Senator Sanders doesn’t get to decide when we debate, particularly when he’s running a very negative campaign against us. Let’s see if he goes back to the kind of tone he said he was going to set early on. If he does that, then we’ll talk about debates, but we’re not going to talk about it” Benenson said.

Benenson was refusing to discuss debates at all, as is clear from the above and is even clearer in the video.

Even his interviewer recognized that he was completely deflecting by trying to make it all about how Bernie is running his campaign, and claiming that Bernie should be limiting his criticisms to Republicans, which is just nonsense given that we're only a little more than halfway through primary season.

[Cali_Democrat]

20. If Bernie wants more debates, he's going to have to start behaving himself

He's in no position to make demands.

He needs to tone down his attacks and then maybe Hillary will consider debating him.

[ljm2002]

25. So according to you...

...he has to "start behaving himself", or she need not honor the agreement that she has already made.

Disgusting, childish, authoritarian horseshit.

[pnwmom]

31. She never agreed to a debate in NY. n/t

[ljm2002]

38. They are trying to weasel out of any debate...

...before the New York primary as is obvious to anyone who watched the video.

[pnwmom]

39. They never agreed to another one BEFORE the NY primary OR in NY at all.

There was talk of doing another one in April, but CT, MD, RI, DE, and PA also have primaries that month.

Maybe she'd prefer to spend the time campaigning in states where she isn't already so well known.

[ljm2002]

41. True...

...but Benenson is refusing to talk about any debates at all, until he decides that Bernie's campaign is "behaving".

That is condescending and rude and betrays a lack of boundaries. Does Benenson seriously expect Bernie's campaign to take direction from him? I mean, come on.

Ultimately, it just makes Hillary look weak if she can't handle a debate in her own state.

So I guess I'll just go with "Please proceed, Madam Secretary."

[senz]

19. Is that a gamey question?

[cui bono]

12. Is this her way of telling him to "cut it out"?

Good lord. How anyone supports this sort of person is beyond me. She acts just like the Republicans.

Which reminds me, make sure you are eligible to vote or have a record of having registered as needed well before your primary. There's a lot of voter purging going on.

.

[longship]

14. On the day that her campaign all but called Bernie a wife abuser?

That's rich!


Oooo! And Bernie's the one whose "tone" is somehow bad.


Face it Hillary. You don't want a debate because you are afraid you'll get floor mopped by Bernie. On policy and your insidious history.

Try brushing that off your shoulders. Well, you seem to be doing that by saying no more debates. Is that the honorable way to do things? Or are you just trying to game the system because "it's my turn".

My prayer is that this backfires on you. Like in 2008, you are the worst candidate in the Democratic presidential race. Your only saving grace is that you are marginally better than what the GOP is offering.

From my take, that margin is mighty thin. The national polls seem to agree with me.

[pnwmom]

18. Where did her campaign call him a wife abuser?

Are you referring to the video where he rudely waves Jane back and tell her "Don't stand there"?

[longship]

24. For Christ sakes! It wasn't the video.

It was David Brock's interpretation of the video, that somehow this makes Bernie some kind of an evil misogynist asshole. This is right out of the Rove playbook.

And the extent that Hillary does not own this and apologize is the extent that her campaign are a bunch of weasels. BTW, anybody who denies that David Brock is in her inner campaign circle is delusional.

Hillary owns these lies!

Then she has the unbridled hubris to criticize Bernie's "tone.

What a despicable thing to do!

For this alone, Hillary Clinton is a horrible person.

[pnwmom]

30. I just looked for google-news on Bernie Sanders and David Brock

and saw nothing recent, so I have no idea what you're talking about.

[longship]

40. It was posted here earlier in one of the uncountable threads on this.

I am limited to an iPhone, so searching for it is problematic.

But trust me, unlike David Brock, I am not making this shit up.

There really is a good explanation for this, too. Bernie uses his arms a lot when he speaks. Just maybe he didn't want to poke Jane's eye out.

See? There is a more prosaic explanation than Bernie is a wife abusing misogynist.

Much ado about nothing if you ask me. Exploited by the Hillary Clinton campaign! (who seem to have no ethics whatsoever)

And yup! It was Brock who started it.

[pnwmom]

42. Even waving your arms a lot it would be quite a feat

to poke the eye out of someone standing behind you, but okay. I don't know what Brock said but Bernie seemed impatient and gruff to me -- in a "Get off my lawn!" kind of way. But I know being a curmudgeon is considered a plus for him.

[longship]

44. Let's let that stand then.

One thing is for sure, Brock's (AKA, Hillary's) narrative is, by definition a horrible "tone" which means that her claim on debates is horrible hypocrisy.

[pinebox]

21. This.

Nice try Hillary.

[Zira]

34. +10000

[dchill]

27. Just another flip flop with a chaser of mendacity.

[DemocracyDirect]

28. Let's try to be nice to Hillary.

In her most recent appearances it looks like she's not feeling so well.

I think the pressure is getting too much.

[Betty Karlson]

33. If the pressure of a single big-bucks-sponsored campaign (remember: she has no day job) is too much

to bear for just a few months, maybe she should bow out to the SENATOR who can campaign WITHOUT BIG DONORS and still looks happy to be interrupted by finches.

If what you say is true, God help us when someone as easily tired and unsettled (not to mention as vindictive) as - you say - Clinton should try to be president for four years.

[Betty Karlson]

29. Yes, she LIED. She thought she wouldn't have to honor the promise

probably because Debbie told her it would all be in the bag by now, and guys like Kos and Skinner would do their bit to make it happen.

[Ichingcarpenter]

32. "You should be willing to debate anytime anywhere"

[Zira]

37. She's very consistent. Flip flop flip flop flip flop ...

And yes, she lied. No honor.

[GummyBearz]

45. The results are in. You survived the jury process with margin to spare

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

The admins of DU have asked that we tone down attacks on Democratic presidential candidates. Calling one of them a "snake" hardly seems to meet that standard. A hide will help send the message.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Mar 29, 2016, 06:52 AM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: So we can't talk about her not wanting to do the debates she agreed to and express dislike for her decision? She isn't the nominee yet.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Its not name calling for the sake of it, the guy is making a point. Just argue back instead of censoring him.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Really disgusted with the BB right wing rhetoric against HRC. Go to the Cave for that garbage.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

[Joe the Revelator]

46. 'A hide will help send the message' Right guys?? Right??

Guys?

[GummyBearz]

47. YEA!

I like how one of the jury responses even used the "bernie bro" term as a personal insult in their response

[amborin]

48. they want to shut Bernie up, and down

[Orsino]

49. It's a trial balloon.

The front-runner may be too gracious to try to renegotiate personally, but it would be a poor campaign manager who didn't try for a little extra leverage.

If the candidate herself doesn't "clarify" soon, though, she'll own this stonewalling.

[jalan48]

50. NY, Goldman Sachs, millions in paid speeches? Hillary doesn't want the voters to be reminded.

[FourScore]

57. Bernie should debate Trump. n/t