Want to know how Bernie loses?

[IdaBriggs]

He stops trying.

The minute that happens, it's over.

But he isn't going to stop trying to win.

The last vote for delegates takes place on June 14, 2016 in Washington, DC but the roller coaster ride includes some hugely exciting bumps on April 19 (New York with 247 delegates), April 26 (Pennsylvania with 189 delegates) and June 7 (California with 475/New Jersey with 126) plus all of the smaller states who also matter.

Bernie has publicly stated he is taking this fight all the way to the convention.

That means his opponent has to keep convincing DEMOCRATIC VOTERS why she will be a good DEMOCRATIC President until then.

That convention will take place on July 25 - 28, 2016 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. It is to be hoped that leaders of the party will negotiate behind the scenes to make sure key voter motivations are addressed as the Democratic nominee is decided.

Neither candidate has done personal attack advertising. They have done position advertising, which will serve them well in the General Election. Bernie's positions are very old school Democratic values. Hillary's positions are more centrist. There is overlap in goals, but very different perspectives on problem solving approaches.

Meanwhile, the opposition has not rallied around "one" candidate yet, and probably will not until their convention.

The Republican convention takes place July 16 - 18, 2016 in Cleveland. It is unlikely to make most of the Republicans happy regardless of their final candidate.

The instant Bernie quits, the voice of the people who support him is silenced and/or strongly muted. The same is true for Hillary.

Bernie is NOT GOING TO QUIT. Hillary is going to have to fight to the end - including avoiding any legal trouble - if she wants to become President.

If your fear is that this lack of unity by Democrats behind one candidate at this point in the election cycle will increase the odds of a Republican winning the White House in the fall, ask your own candidate to step aside in favor of Bernie, and throw her millions behind supporting him.

He is not fighting HER. He is fighting FOR US and the only way he loses is by quitting AND HE IS NOT EVER QUITTING.

He has already proven that a Senator from a small state can compete against Super PAC money, which means the Citizens United decision is simply legalized corruption and not a necessary fact of political reality.

He has already proven that core Democratic values matter to millions of voters.

He has already proven that young people will engage in the political process.

You might not realize it, but BERNIE SANDERS HAS ALREADY WON THIS ELECTION.

And so have the American people.

[DanTex]

1. Math.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

3. Are Hillarians going with a strategy that if a lie is repeated enough times that it becomes reality?

[DanTex]

5. Check the delegate counts and get back to me about that "lie".

[HumanityExperiment]

12. 56%...

22 remaining primaries and 56% needed by Bernie over those 22 to beat Hillary

[DanTex]

13. Yup. Math. Not gonna happen.

[HumanityExperiment]

15. DERP....

yeah, you go ahead and avoid, facts, trends and logic so far so good right?

it's not as if Bernie went from 3% last year to now contending for nomination, right?

it's not as if Bernie is lowering that % to beating HRC as these primaries progress, right?

Hmm... what's the word for folks like you that avoid facts? Hmmm....

[DanTex]

16. No more white caucus states for Bernie. Sorry.

We'll see who's right in a month or so. (Hint: it's gonna be me).

[HumanityExperiment]

17. I'm not the one concerned...

every HRC supporter and their OPs and replies aren't giving full facts so there is that

the spinning that is being applied in these OPs and replies is stunning, it goes the the lengths HRC supporters need to stretch the truth to wrap it around their perception to pass it off as 'winning' for them... but it's stretched so thin as to be able to see through it without any effort at all

[DanTex]

18. You shouldn't be. Hillary is the best candidate, and she'll be the nominee. You should be happy.

[HumanityExperiment]

20. Repubulican light...

HRC is republican light, her shift to the left to embrace so many of Bernie's positions is a testament to how strong this movement within the Democratic party is...

A simple perusal of HRC and her positions over time prove my point out

HRC isn't a liberal / progressive

HRC is worst on policies that the liberal / progressives hold as foundational

Match HRC's and Bernie's policies up to the GOP and see which more closely match if not agree with those same GOP positions

Facts matter, once you acknowledge them your point(s) are easily blown away

[DanTex]

21. That's tired empty rhetoric. She's a progressive, and she's shortly going go be nominee.

[HumanityExperiment]

23. "tired empty rhetoric"

posts the man without adding ANY facts to support his reply...

http://www.dailydot.com/politics/clinton-sanders-2016-issues/

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/10/democratic-debate-hillary-clinton-flip-flop-213247

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/10/opinion/a-lesson-in-hillary-clintons-loss-in-michigan.html?_r=0

those are just a few articles that show the scope of her shifts as well as misunderstanding of the voters and what's considered important to THEM

[DanTex]

24. Big picture: they voted the same way over 90% of the time.

Sure, they both have some bad decisions in their past, but both are progressives.

[HumanityExperiment]

25. "big picture"...

Wow, just wow.. "Sure, they both have some bad decisions in their past" that's gotta take a Yuuge effort to lift that big of a broad brush to swipe that make your reply even close to being truthful

Answer me this, define 'progressive' as you perceive it, let's nail this point down to so we have a common ref to work from...

[DanTex]

26. What's so "wow" about the fact that the voted the same way a huge percentage of the time?

Progressive, simply put, is someone who fights for social and economic justice. Protecting the environment, fighting income inequality, fighting all forms of discrimination, etc.

[HumanityExperiment]

28. Yes, wow...

to prove a point, using just ONE position liberals / progressives supported and HRC didn't...

Please don't insult mine or any other progressive on this site that knows full well HRC's history as it pertains to policy positions over time and those core beliefs and policies progressives hold

[DanTex]

29. Yup, and Bernie also used to oppose gay marriage. With either candidate or any politician,

you'll find votes or stances they've taken that you don't agree with. Which is why the big picture is important.

[HumanityExperiment]

30. Another...

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/03/11/hillary-clinton-lauds-reagans-on-aids-a-backlash-erupts/

Her political expediency gets so far in the way of truth and history she's made to look so very foolish...

Get back to me when you deal with facts rather than just posting words expecting folks to take them at face value...

[DanTex]

31. I've seen all the Hillary bashes, and I know there's a catalog of everytime Hillary misspeaks that

Hillary-haters use to distract themselves from the big picture. But I'm not impressed.

[HumanityExperiment]

32. not a 'misspeak'...

that's political expediency and you know it

camp weather-vane at it's finest

[Armstead]

6. That's a core Democratic value? I guess we're Republicans now

They're real big on math over values too.

[DanTex]

8. If I was defending Bernie's economic projections, I would like math either.

[Armstead]

10. Math over human values...That is the Republican value

We'll set goals that advance human values, and we'll figure out the math to achieve that. Those are Progressive/Liberal values.

[DanTex]

11. It's not one versus the other. Math is math. Neither liberals nor conservatives can undo the laws

of arithmetic.

[bahrbearian]

7. 1+1 = 2

[0rganism]

27. you do realize that "Math" and "Arithmetic" and "Maps" hit-and-runs don't address the OP, right?

you're not actually discussing anything the OP brought up, as far as i can tell.

that said, what is the purpose of your post?

[LexVegas]

2. When minorities vote in big states with lots of minorities. nt

[mannysquad]

4. this is crazy

I really don't know I can not even vote at this right now

[IdaBriggs]

9. Welcome to DU!

I believe you will need to make a few remarks in multiple threads demonstrating you know how to behave in a courteous and respectful fashion on a discussion board, and somewhere around post number twenty you will be given the privilege of making recommendations for other members to read threads.

It is how the administrators keep trolls and "bots" off the board.

But welcome to DU! It is an exciting time to join up!

[-none]

14. When I read the title, my fist thought was

Election Fraud.

Between Debbie campaigning for Hillary, instead of being neutral, her support of Republicans over Democrats in Florida, and the voter suppression in Arizona and elsewhere, the DNC is not running this primary as a Democratic primary, but rather as from a conservative approach. An approach where the end justifies the means.

[Uncle Joe]

19. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, IdaBriggs.

[CalvinballPro]

22. Then he already lost, because by his own campaign's admission, he quit in 8 states already.

And quitting in those 8 states cost him a chance to win enough delegates to actually be competitive.

[IdaBriggs]

33. I am a tad distressed - 34 RECS, 32 Replies

And I can only see FOUR, not including my own.

I use the "Trash & Ignore" feature regularly.

Do I dare logout to see what discussion I am missing?

ON EDIT: All good - one poster on ignore whose no substance sub thread is getting spanked. Thank you all for being so awesome!