Can we all agree on what should be a very, very, very obvious position?

[Tommy_Carcetti]

In no humanly conceivable way should anyone who is a legitimate supporter of either Clinton or Sanders ever, ever, ever consider voting for Donald Trump. Ever.

My god, it just seems so obvious.

[revbones]

1. The problem is when people equate not voting for Hillary with that. nt

[beam me up scottie]

4. ^^^THIS^^^

Thread over.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

32. Dead wrong. Sitting out the election helps the GOP win, simple fact of math.

And some will die if GOP takes the WH.

Actually die.

[beam me up scottie]

36. Not in red and blue states, those votes don't count at all.

Don't you presume to lecture me about who will be dying, I live in a state that's trying to pass draconian abortion restrictions.

[Attorney in Texas]

53. Sitting out the election is what happens when you shit in an ice cream cone and call it soft serve

If people like your product, they buy it.

If people don't like what you're selling, they don't buy it.

If you're selling shit in an ice cream cone, people aren't going to buy that shit just because the shop across the street is selling ice cream cones with a double scoop of arsenic and razor blades mixed in.

[daleanime]

51. Amen....

[polichick]

6. Thank you!

[VulgarPoet]

21. 0 + 0 does not equal 1.

Stop using Inner Party Math.

[NorthCarolina]

56. Many registered "Independent" voters have come out in the primaries

for Bernie. If their candidate loses, then they have no further obligation to the Dem party. You may not like it, but that's the way party affiliations, or lack thereof, work.

[arcane1]

2. And Trump will never be the nominee for president. n/t

[Tommy_Carcetti]

3. He may or may not be. I wouldn't say "never" though.

Hopefully, he won't, because I don't want to fathom a situation where there's even a chance he might be the next president. And a brokered convention will put the kibash on him.

But as it stands right now, he's the frontrunner for the Republican nomination.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

7. Trump is better than Cruz... so I hope to god Trump gets it...

Christian Taliban is infinitely worse for me as an LGBTQ than Trump is.

[salinsky]

15. Yes, Cruz is much, much worse than Trump ... nt

[Scuba]

46. Agreed, Cruz appears to actually be nuts.

There's no crazy like god crazy.

[VulgarPoet]

23. Consider the terms

"Talibangelists", or "Y'all Qaeda".

[arcane1]

17. I'm convinced he doesn't really want to be president, so I'm not worried about him.

Although the other alternatives aren't much better!

[DanTex]

5. And they should also not consider sitting out the GE or voting third party, which has the effect of

helping Trump win.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

9. NewsFlash: You do not get to tell people how to vote. 1 Person = 1 Vote

So get your grubby paws off of mine!

[DanTex]

10. You have every right to vote for Trump. But you shouldn't.

[revbones]

12. Here comes the rabbit hole....

of berating, cajoling, etc... and trying to equate a 0 vote for Hillary with a +1 magic vote for Trump...

[DanTex]

14. People supporting Trump on a Democratic forum, I'm gonna call it out. Enjoy your stay!

[revbones]

16. Show me the post where I supported Trump please. nt

[DanTex]

18. Bernie or Bust is pro-Trump. You're not fooling anyone.

[revbones]

20. You are quite hillarious.

Does being antiwar mean you hate peanut-butter? Seems just as logical as you trying to slander me as pro-Trump.

[DanTex]

24. Heh. War and peanut butter. Meanwhile, back in the real world, yes, BoB is pro-Trump.

The only possible effect it can have is to make Trump more likely to become president. Whether the followers of the doctrine are too dumb to know that, I can't tell you. But the people pushing the meme know what they're doing, just like Nader knew he was trying to help get Bush elected.

[revbones]

27. Sure. Is the sky blue in your version of reality as well?

Can't change the fact that:

0 + 0 != 1

[closeupready]

57. Yes, he is, isn't he? I rarely respond to him, but when I do,

it's tongue-in-cheek.

[brush]

48. Look at it this was. Not a 0 vote for Clinton but "one less vote for Clinton".

Enough of those "one less votes" adds up because repugs are going to vote for their nominee, not withhold them.

[revbones]

50. While slightly more accurate,

someone's vote is still their own. Not voting for someone is not the same as voting for someone else.

[brush]

60. You're right. Repugs are going to vote for their candidate whoever it is.

Which means many, many +1 votes for Trump or Cruz, both disasters for the country.

Many BS supporters say they won't vote unless Sanders gets the nomination, which equates to many 0 votes for Clinton if she gets the nomination.

Those +1 votes for Trump or Cruz tally in positive numbers for repugs while those 0 votes for Clinton actually do nothing for the dem vote tally.

Wait, the 0 votes for Clinton actually do do something for the dem vote tally.

They suppress it.

[revbones]

61. Wow. That is truly some creative math there. rofl

I'm not sure this bears much of a reply.

Everyone's vote is their own to do with what they want. I'm sorry you don't feel that way or that someone not using their vote in the way you personally want them to, is helping Trump - but since that is your belief there isn't much any of us can do about it is there?

[brush]

63. Thought you'd like the math.

You can't really deny its logic though.

+1 votes for Trump . . . er ah . . . trump 0 votes for Clinton anytime, no matter how many preztels one twists oneself into in trying to deny it by saying my vote is my vote.

Yeah your vote is your vote, but vote for someone else besides yourself for God's sake. That's what being a progressive is about — voting for those less fotunate than yourself, voting for the good of the country.

Vote for the immigrants which Trump has promised to round up and deport behind his ridiculous wall.

Vote for women who will be denied abortion rights after Trump appoints right wing SCOTUS judges to overturn Roe v Wade.

Vote for innocent Muslims who he has promised to deny entry into the country.

Vote for seniors who will no longer get Social Security as that has been a repug objective since FDR got it passed.

Vote for seniors who will no longer get Medicare as that has been a repug objective since LBJ got it passed.

Vote for all the people who have Obamacare now, something the repugs will destroy and not replace.

Vote for all the innocent, unarmed black men and women being shot down as you know the police state will get even worse under Trump.

I could go on and on but do I need to?

[Sheepshank]

22. There is no 1 Person=1 Vote while the Electoral College is in effect...duh n/t

[Jackie Wilson Said]

37. This is fortunately true. At the same time, anyone who would sit out the

election because their candidate isnt the nominee, is being selfish.

Personally I think Trump represents less harm to gay folks, for instance, but Cruz represents a minimum of permanent 2nd class status and certain death for unlucky trans or gay folks.

Therefore, not voting in November would be, well, insane.

[LonePirate]

38. NewsFlash: Advocating a vote against a Dem in the GE is a violation of DU's ToS.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

44. NewFlash: Not Voting for someone is not an implicit vote for somebody else.

[revbones]

11. Same false logic, different day... nt

[MADem]

8. I'm afraid we're going to have a bit of a PUMA problem in the short term--not in the long term,

though, particularly if Sanders does what Clinton did in 2008.

It's natural for people who have invested time and money to be angry if their investment doesn't pay off.

[Armstead]

13. I invested in sending a long term message

Win or lose, Sanders REPRESENTS who and what I believe the Democratic Party should stand for and fight for.

Clinton, not so much.

[MADem]

29. Well, the primary season does serve to air those issues, and that's a good thing, I believe. nt

[geek tragedy]

19. You'll have to ask the people posting HA Goodman pieces here about that nt

[mythology]

25. Without reservation yes.

Several thousand percent yes.

[Doctor_J]

26. No one at DU is going to vote for Trump in the GE

so your post, while true, is silly to the extreme

[winetourdriver]

28. Agree

But tread lightly here Tommy, if you cross the Bernistas on this site you are toast.

[merrily]

34. And that accounts for all the bannings of long time posters on Hillary's side?

And the release of all the Bernie supporters from forced vacations?

I get that you've managed only 78 posts since you registered in February 2012, so I don't mean to be overly discouraging. However, please try to make your posts less totally contrary to reality. Thanks in advance.

[beam me up scottie]

39. 78 posts and you're an expert on this site?

Do tell.

[Maedhros]

49. No, just ignored (for good reason).

Continue your blathering into the void...


/bye

[merrily]

30. All pledge and pledge type OP's stink. JMO

[Tommy_Carcetti]

40. Unless the Ghost of Adolph Hitler emerges and runs for President against Trump.....

....I can't see any reason why anyone on DU would choose to vote for Trump.

Of course, the Ghost of Adolph Hitler would more likely endorse Trump anyways.

[merrily]

47. Which has nothing to do with my post about pledge OPs.

[peace13]

31. What possible use is this question?

Let's file it under, things to discuss in late October. We'll talk.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

33. Agreed.

[synergie]

35. One would think so, but many are so in the grips of their fervent hatred of a candidate

That they seem to be utterly blind to thus simple truth. The ones proclaiming their purity and insisting that Trump will bring some sort of "revolution" do not seem to understand what that entails.

Also, if all that motivates you is sheer hate of one candidate, you are not a supporter of their opponent, and when you advocate for actions that support Trump, it is hard to argue that you are not his supporter. It is pretty obvious what is going on, even if they cannot admit it. Even Bernie said so, several months ago. Trump is just too dangerous to be playing these games with. All those who are rational, agree. Even many Republucans.

[ThePhilosopher04]

41. If stopping Trump is your main reason for voting, you

should be voting for Bernie in the primary. Hillary cannot and will not beat him in the general.

[Jarqui]

42. I don't see why we have to worry about this much at this point

I have doubts about Trump clinching it - not a sure thing.

Hillary doesn't have it in the bag either. Maybe two discoveries and a chat with the FBI ...

[tularetom]

43. Why should you tell anybody who you will or won't vote for?

Much better if no candidate feels assured of your vote. Keeps them trying to appeal to you. And it keeps them from trying to appeal to those who disagree with you.

Even the woman who has lived with me for 54 years does not know who I intend to vote for.

[ibegurpard]

45. Who's saying they're going to vote for Trump?

Not me and not Susan Sarandon.

[Still In Wisconsin]

52. OH in-DEED!

(Said in my best Omar Little voice.)

[restorefreedom]

54. have they changed the ge ballots?

because there have historically been several options for president.

this will not be the only choice for voters.

and your premise may be incorrect. trump shares many of bernie's positions and is to hillarys left on intervenionist wars, single payer, tpp, campaign finance reform, and other issues. so disillusioned antiestablishment indys may very well be drawn to trump if they want to vote for real change.

denying this reality does not make it go away.

[HughLefty1]

55. I'm guessing the GOP elites take it from Trump at their convention..

It's not right in my mind. I'm no Trump fan but the people should decide. Unfortunately in 2016 the elites and corporations have most of the power. That BTW is my biggest concern with Hillary. I worked hard at the local level for her in 2008 too. I just can't in good conscience vote for her in the primary this year with all the corporate money backing her campaign.

[Avalon Sparks]

62. Are you aware if she had similar levels of corporate funding in 2008

[Avalon Sparks]

58. Trump has little chance of getting the number of delegates...

I highly doubt he'll get the nom, my prediction is that they will trot out Kasich.

I have no idea what Trump stands for of whether he'll keep his promises, like not to sign the TPP, which is one of my top concerns, so it's doubtful I'll vote for him.

[pampango]

59. That is very, very, very obvious and should apply to ANY republican nominee not just Trump.

Cruz, Kasich or anyone the establishment comes up with at a possibly brokered convention are beyond the pale of consideration.