Privilege: Would your personal circumstances change if Bernie was President?

[Chichiri]

Last edited Tue Mar 29, 2016, 02:59 PM - Edit history (1)

To cast an offense vote, you likely are in a comparatively comfortable position personally. Some exit poll numbers support this notion, though I do want to be careful about overselling this because results vary so much from state to state. Many states, especially down South, were blowouts in which Clinton won nearly every category. But suffice it say that where Sanders has won or come close, he has outperformed Clinton among white college graduates. For example, in Michigan, he won that category by 54 to 43 percent; in Illinois, which he narrowly lost, he beat her among that group by 57 to 42 percent. On income categories, in the close races, Clinton has tended to win among the poorest voters, those under $30,000, while most of the results have been very close among those above $100,000.

But this isn’t reducible to income and can’t be quantified that easily. I’ve written this many times in my life, and I’ll rewrite it and rewrite it in every presidential election until I die, because it’s one of my core convictions: You can play offense with your vote if it doesn’t really make much difference to you, in your personal life, who the president is at the end of the day.

I’m not saying that applies to all Sanders voters. It obviously doesn’t. I’m sure for example that millions of young voters are drawn to him because, in addition to whatever idealism they feel, they see that Sanders is proposing things that will benefit them directly, like free college. I’m just saying that young and mostly white people with college degrees are, generally speaking, going to be alright in their personal lives whether the president is Sanders, Clinton, Trump or Cruz.

Now let’s look at the defensive voters. For these voters, something personal is on the line. And yes, I mean mostly African American and Latino voters. If you’re black or Latino, your personal day-to-day life might be very different indeed under a Republican president than under a Democratic one. A Republican president, working with a GOP Congress, is going to take a meat-cleaver to the kinds of safety-net programs on which you or some member of your extended family is perhaps more likely to depend. If you’re black, you know that a Republican president and Congress could very pass a law that imposes vast restrictions on the voting franchise, as Republicans are doing in many states where they have the run of the place. You know that affirmative action programs are at constant risk of being shut down. You know that they’re coming after public employee unions, which almost surely helped some member or members of your extended family get into the middle class.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/03/29/hillary-clinton-s-hack-supporters-have-skin-in-the-game-bernie-sanders-s-dreamers-not-so-much.html?via=desktop&source=twitter

Is he wrong? If you're a white college graduate, how is your personal life going to be different if Bernie is not President?

[haikugal]

1. Wrong.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

2. I'm voting in my own self-interest, and I don't much care what anyone thinks of that.

[beam me up scottie]

3. Because unless you're a millionaire like Hillary you'll continue to bleed out.

[Chichiri]

8. How so? nt

[beam me up scottie]

11. Read all of the threads on DU from Bernie supporters about why we need reform.

[Chichiri]

14. I've read a great many of them, here and elsewhere.

I haven't seen an explanation for why all non-millionaires will "bleed out."

[beam me up scottie]

18. Sure you have, go back and read them again.

Specifically the ones about those who lost their jobs, their homes, their entire savings, those who are still homeless, who are retired but had to go back to work, the ones who went bankrupt paying medical bills, who are living paycheck to paycheck, working two or more jobs, taking out second and third mortgages to pay bills, etc.

You know, those privileged ones.

Then get back to me with any questions.

[Chichiri]

22. How will their personal situations change if Bernie is President? nt

[beam me up scottie]

23. Go ask them.

[Chichiri]

26. Well I AM asking them with this thread.

So far, zilch.

[beam me up scottie]

32. Because we know that's not really what you're doing; we've seen your other threads.

People have long memories.

[Chichiri]

35. So if someone else posted the exact same question, people would answer?

Someone like you, or another Bernie supporter? Because that's a testable hypothesis . . .

[beam me up scottie]

40. Would they respond to a loaded question based on cherry picked excerpts ?

Probably not, we know who the fake Bernie supporters are too.

[Chichiri]

42. If they won't answer anyway, why did you tell me to ask? nt

[beam me up scottie]

43. Because I was trying to make a point.

Apparently it missed its mark.

[Chichiri]

44. What point? That the status quo sucks for a lot of people?

I don't disagree, but it doesn't address the argument of this thread: that many if not most Bernie supporters' personal circumstances would not change depending on who's President, and that gives them the privilege to vote on principle. How does anything you've said change that?

[beam me up scottie]

45. Boom! There it is!

that many if not most Bernie supporters' personal circumstances would not change depending on who's President, and that gives them the privilege to vote on principle.

You started with a faulty premise and set a trap to try to prove your "theory".

And no one fell for it.

Imagine that.

[Chichiri]

46. What trap? And how is it faulty? nt

[wilt the stilt]

47. stop wasting your time with beam me up

whoever it is thinks they are very smart and it turns into a useless argument.

[beam me up scottie]

56. *cough* transparency page

[wilt the stilt]

65. saw your page

you actually listen to Springsteen LOL

[beam me up scottie]

67. I also listen to Bad Religion.

[wilt the stilt]

79. trekkie

LOL

[beam me up scottie]

48. ...

Loaded question

A loaded question or complex question fallacy is a question that contains a controversial or unjustified assumption (e.g., a presumption of guilt).[1]

Aside from being an informal fallacy depending on usage, such questions may be used as a rhetorical tool: the question attempts to limit direct replies to be those that serve the questioner's agenda.[2] The traditional example is the question "Have you stopped beating your wife?" Whether the respondent answers yes or no, they will admit to having a wife and having beaten her at some time in the past. Thus, these facts are presupposed by the question, and in this case an entrapment, because it narrows the respondent to a single answer, and the fallacy of many questions has been committed.[2] The fallacy relies upon context for its effect: the fact that a question presupposes something does not in itself make the question fallacious. Only when some of these presuppositions are not necessarily agreed to by the person who is asked the question does the argument containing them become fallacious.[2] Hence the same question may be loaded in one context, but not in the other. For example, the previous question would not be loaded if it was asked during a trial in which the defendant has already admitted to beating his wife.[2]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question

[Chichiri]

49. I have a degree in analytical philosophy, and I find it hilarious when people c/p fallacies at me.

More often than not they can't back it up. Maybe you can: How is the question "how would your personal circumstances change if Bernie was President" a loaded question?

[beam me up scottie]

51. Nice try, forget your title already? "Are Bernie supporters really "privileged?""

Gee, I wonder why anyone would question your sincerity?

[Chichiri]

55. Oh, that! That was a bit of creative license.

I'll change it to more closely reflect what I'm asking. Meantime, maybe you'd actually care to answer?

[wilt the stilt]

59. beam me up avoids

actually answering and conducting civil discourse.

[beam me up scottie]

61. I also avoid using anti-Semitic slurs. :)

[wilt the stilt]

66. ha ha

u listen to springsteen one of the most overhyped repetitive musicians ever and i saw him in 1980 at redrocks. kind of tells me everything I need to know.

[beam me up scottie]

68. Good thing he's not Jewish or a woman, I'd hate to see what you'd say about him then.

[wilt the stilt]

73. women?

I have never been accused of being a misogynist. As a matter of fact i have always been a good boy. It served me poorly in my younger years as nice guys usually don't get laid. however in my sixties women 48-53 really like me. i turned out to be funny.

We had a going joke at my software company. The co-founder was really good looking at he sweet spot was women 35-42. My sweet spot was the older women. We took the company from 1 million to 70 mill lion. I was one of the first 5 in the company.

The co-founder and I were the entire sales team for the first 2 years.

i work with the top attorneys in the country.

kind of like your accomplishments. LOL

i have never been considered antisemitic. only to you.

[wilt the stilt]

69. I'll lower it to $100

still waiting to see if you have any nerve to see if i am really antisemitic. I don't think you want to find out because you can't stand to find out the truth. If you really wanted to be a stand up person and find out the actual truth then you would take me up on it. The problem is once you actually found out the you would have to apologize to me on DU and your ego couldn't stand it.
As jack Nicholson says you can't stand the truth.

[beam me up scottie]

70. .

[wilt the stilt]

87. trekkie

LOL

[beam me up scottie]

88. I like wombats.

[Chichiri]

72. So it would seem. Nt

[wilt the stilt]

89. beam me up has 50,000 posts

you and I have been on DU for about the same amount of time. and we both have around 4,000. We actually have lives and interests beyond just picking fights for pleasure.

[beam me up scottie]

93. And none of them were hidden for calling someone "an old crusty Jew" or a "p*ssy"

Sander's is an old crusty "jew'. If most of the Sanders supporters don't understand how he would play out there then I think you are missing America's underlying feelings about northeasterners and how they view "jews".

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1059701

I guess when
push comes to shove you are just a big pussy. can't really stand up when it counts here I'll make it easier $100 if u can't do that then u really are Bull

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1598514

Those anti-Semitic and misogynistic slurs will get you every time. Juries don't like bigots.

I should know, many thousands of those posts of mine were spent in MIRT the last 6 months, we see it a lot.

[beam me up scottie]

60. Probably still won't work, we've been fighting this stereotype since last May.

There's a lot of resentment. You could try starting another thread but I wouldn't expect much, the lines have been drawn and the tribes have spoken.

GDP is a cage match now.

[wilt the stilt]

91. childish answer- cage fight

I have been a member like you a very long time. What i always appreciated about this site is maturity and good discourse. Every single retort by you is snarky. When someone tells you they are not antisemitic and they grew up in a jewish clique then one would actually take it in. i am chinese and i suffered discrimination way more than you.

You are exactly why people have a very bad opinion of Bernie supporters. You think you are being REALLY witty and crafty but it comes across as REALLY stupid and immature. I am sure you are older as no one who actually works has time for 50,000 posts.

It really is too bad that you are typical of the people who have ruined what was a great site.

kind of pathetic.

[Human101948]

109. You should get your moeny back...

Did you attend Corinthian College?

[Chichiri]

110. *Money. nt

[w4rma]

57. Hillary's campaign, summed up: No we can't do anything you want done.

Accept austerity. Accept that all new income, from now on will be distributed upwards to the aristocratic class. Welcome the growing aristocratic class of 'let them eat cakers'.

Hillary's campaign isn't reasonable. It's telling everyone to shut up and sit back down. It's telling everyone that we have no democracy, and the oligarchs are, and will stay, in control.

[Avalon Sparks]

58. Hillary is far right on fiscal and foreign policy...

And she's Left on social issues.... Which actually don't effect me. Regardless I always vote with my pocketbook. The New Dems offer me nothing.

To simplify it for you....I don't support endless wars and tricked own... So if Bernie doesn't get the nomination... I'll vote with the Greens.

Guess that makes me privileged.....

[unapatriciated]

63. I have answered this question a few times.

But many do not want to listen. If you really want to know search my post history in regards to one word. Dermatomyositis. I 'm tired of repeating myself and being marginalized for the real pain my family has gone though.

[closeupready]

4. Katy Perry is worth $400M+; she shrugs and giggles that good jobs get sent abroad

or that Americans in good jobs get fired for H1-B visa workers from India. And why shouldn't she - she's certainly gotten filthy rich under neo-liberal fiscal policies, and will get even RICHER with a Hillary regime.

THAT is privilege - being in a position of socioeconomic dominance such that you can poo-poo the TPP and wars of choice.

[islandmkl]

5. something all farmers learn early and never forget, but many 'city dwellers' never fully master...

when walking through the pastures and the pens know how to avoid all the bullshit...

[upaloopa]

6. I think most people who say they won't vote in November are counting

on the majority of us doing the right thing and voting thus saving their behinds.

They really are not as principled as they make out to be.

If you were really principled you would not need to come here and tell us all about it.

Principled people are known by their actions not by their words.

[SHRED]

7. Anything but discussing the issues

Typical diversion whether it be the latest Hollywood personality or his "followers".

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

9. Do you, or the author, think that Bernie is going to ignore the plight of Blacks and Latinos?

If so, please give references to support that idea.

[Chichiri]

12. I don't think that.

I don't think blacks and Latinos necessarily think that either. But they do think Hillary is more electable than Bernie.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

15. Everyone should vote for the candidate they prefer.

For whatever reason.

Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost. John Quincy Adams

[whatchamacallit]

10. Yawn...

[riderinthestorm]

13. Climate change will wreak its havoc on us all

When fracking destroys rhe aquifer in Oklahoma, rich and poor, educated or not, will suffer.

Hurricanes will strike everyone in the keys.

Everyone in Miami wades through the rising sea levels.

Only Bernie and Jill Stein are offering robust climate change proposals. Hillary and the GOP either deny the catastrophe ahead or they're fiddlng around the edges - neither of which are nearly enough in the 11th hour.

[Chichiri]

28. Do you live in Oklahoma or Florida? nt

[riderinthestorm]

77. I'm a farmer so climate change affects me directly nt

[Chichiri]

81. How will your personal situation change over, say, the next 30 years if Bernie becomes President? nt

[riderinthestorm]

94. My ability to grow crops is already being affected personally.

The production of hay for livestock is also already a big concern throughout every US climate zone with the planet warming. Traditional hay growing seasons are already getting disrupted. I buy @ 10,000 bales annually.

My aquifer is threatened by fracking. Tainted water = death to my crops and livestock (and my family and I ).

Bernie and Jill Stein will make climate change a priority day 1. It may already be too late but I'll be able to say 30 years in the future that I tried.

Hillary’s big priority ( in her own words) is restoring the US relationship with Netanyahu and Israel, http://forward.com/opinion/national/324013/how-i-would-rebuild-ties-to-israel-and-benjamin-neta/
Immigration reform, and working with Congress to tweak the ACA. Climate change never comes up as a priority for her.

Climate change will affect everyone, and soon. Even if its not affecting you personally now, its going to, and it will hit every friend and family member you love.

[Chichiri]

95. Why do you think Hillary doesn't prioritize climate change? Nt

[riderinthestorm]

99. I've listened to her speeches and her answers in the debates nt

[Bjornsdotter]

16. I vote my conscience

Not my skin color, gender, or any other half arsed reason people decide on. How about besides letting people vote we also let them choose a candidate based on their beliefs.

[panader0]

17. I'm privileged to make $804 a month from Social Security

Is that privileged enough for ya?

[Chichiri]

20. How will your personal situation change if Bernie is President? nt

[Armstead]

19. The patterns and policies put into place since 1980 by BOTH parties have hit almost everyone...

except the REALLY privileged.

Lost jobs, cut wages, slashed benefits, gutted safety net, starving government because the wealthy and corporations don't want to pay taxes...

The embedded systemic corruption in which nothing positive gets done while rotten shit gets passed because politicians of both parties are owned by the Oligarchs -- and join the oligarchy after a period of public service....

I could go on and on...But to sum it up, the people with privilege -- like real 5 homes and big yachts privileged -- benefit while everyone else gets screwed.

Clinton is a product and beneficiary of that system. Bernie is fighting it.

[Go Vols]

90. +1

[msongs]

21. look at the demographics of states bernie wins "big" nt

[jillan]

25. Native Americans, Pacific Islanders, Native Hawaiians, Asians, Muslims - nah they don't count.

[unapatriciated]

80. nor do old white women

like me, who might be able to retire in my 70's. I'm just now getting back on my feet after years of paying medical bills for an ill child. This same child who is now an disabled adult who will need my support for the rest of his life.

All we want are ponies and unicorns. My daughter got her unicorn last June, maybe my son will get his pony as a dying wish.

The op is disingenuous and frankly I'm tired of hearing the same replies that I heard in 08 when we answer their questions of why we support our candidate of choice.

[jillan]

24. This is so funny! Thanks for the laugh. The author of this does not have a clue.

Bernie is for the middle class. Period. End of story.

[ibegurpard]

27. I really don't give a shit

What label you try to assign to me.

[dogman]

29. I think he's confused.

Privileged and principled are close in the dictionary. Maybe he found the wrong word.

[Chichiri]

31. Actually, what he's saying...

...is that voting on principle is a luxury that non-privileged people don't necessarily have.

[dogman]

37. How does maintaining the status quo improve their situation?

Maybe they need to consider what is at stake and try principle. He's being divisive and non-constructive. As long as the lower classes stay divided the uppers roll in the dough.

[Chichiri]

41. They feel (rightly or wrongly) that they personally stand to lose a lot depending on who's President

How would YOUR personal circumstances change if Bernie was President?

[dogman]

50. I expect my IRA might take a hit.

I think Social Security and Medicare will be better. I think my grandchildren are less likely to be sent to war. I think the economy for my children and grand children. I would think those are the same things those voters want. But I am not a white college graduate or a minority so my personal circumstance don't apply. Maybe more research should be done on the "rightly or wrongly" and the voters be better informed. I find the Hilary vote to be the offensive vote, the Bernie vote is in defense of the people.


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[Armstead]

92. Absolute bullshit. That's the ONLY WAY we ever get good elected officials

Everyone viotes according to their principles. It's only a matter of which principles they choose to give priority to.

You don't think many of the people voting for Obama were voting on principle?

You think they only voted for him because he's cute and sexy?

[wilt the stilt]

97. some were ans some weren't

I think many voted for him because he was the first African American and the really turned out for Obama and may have been the difference in the close northern states like Wisconsin..

i had a post on African Americans staying home. Whether you want to admit it or not most of the African Americans don't really like Bernie for whatever reason. Just the facts. They really turned out for Obama and they will really turn out for Clinton. If bernie has a twenty percent decline on election day, the democrats are toast.

[RAFisher]

33. Ths guy wrote an entire book on Clinton...

No shit he's against Sanders. It never crosses his mind why young white people might favor the anti-war candidate. It's almost like a war could result in dead young people from all races. But I guess that doesn't mater to him because ... well... he's old.

[Jarqui]

34. It's really a very insulting premise.

Some people around here sincerely care about others. As I approach retirement age, I kind of feel that I've had my shot and what matters more to me is the kind of place I'm leaving to my kids.

The people dying without healthcare just eats me up - really upsets me. I can't stand it. I'm sick of it. But I know that if the GOP win the White House, it won't get better - it might get worse. And I also know if Hillary wins, there is no single payer in the cards and I feel her chances of universal are slim because she's not popular enough to carry the House and Senate.

I've been protesting wars since Vietnam. I've lost family members to war. Hillary and the GOP present a much greater chance of more war that than Sanders. I get to live in quiet fear of that if Bernie loses.

How many more black people do I have to watch get shot in the back by police? I do not have the words to describe the horror of such scenes of injustice in our society. I do not have faith in Hillary to solve that.

I fought against NAFTA before it had a name. I knew what it was going to do. It devastated the lives of many dear friends. Only one candidate can be relied upon to stop that bleeding.

I could go on and on. Climate change, Citizens United, etc, etc.

Like I said, after fighting for progressive causes since I was a young teenager, the notion of the top post is insulting.

[Chichiri]

38. That's an excellent motivation to vote, but it comes from personal privilege unless . . .

. . . your personal circumstances would be better if Bernie was President.

[Jarqui]

83. Nonsense

Your statement assumes something that obviously eludes you because you wouldn't say such a thing if you really felt it.

If you really care about other people, seeing that crap happen to people really affects your personal circumstances - particularly emotionally.

[demmiblue]

64. Thank you for your comment. I am sorry that the response you recieved was so cold.

[sadoldgirl]

36. This is very funny, because

there was another OP with an article saying that
HRC won mainly in areas with a household income
of $100K or more.

You cannot have it both ways, although a lot of
people seem to try that here.

[Chichiri]

39. Could you link that OP please? nt

[oldandhappy]

52. what is an offense vote?

Earlier today I read a post that Hillary wins with the over $100,000 crowd. So I am laughing.

[SheenaR]

53. My personal circumstances would be better if Bernie were President

That is my answer to this. One of many reasons I support him.

[Chichiri]

74. In what way?

[scscholar]

104. Contributing more to help the people?

[Chichiri]

105. You personally. How would your circumstances improve? nt

[sadoldgirl]

54. Check it, please. It is right now another OP on GDP.

I apologize, but I am lousy with links.

[Chichiri]

76. What is? nt

[wilt the stilt]

98. highllight the link

and hit the ctrl button and c at the same time then go to the place toy want to copy it to and hit ctrl and p. the link will be copid.

[Vinca]

62. I would worry a whole lot less about my Social Security and Medicare with Bernie.

Hillary is more apt to sign GOP legislation like Bill did. Go along to get along and all that.

[Chichiri]

75. What's that "more apt to sign" based on? nt

[Vinca]

85. Based on my impression of her over the years as being half a Republican.

There's been a whole lot of flip flopping to the left during this campaign, but it's unlikely to last.

[CanadaexPat]

71. Less minorities around the world will be

Bombed in my name.

[Bluenorthwest]

78. In the Primary I am voting for Bernie because Hillary has a long history of opposing my civil rights

and of favoring her own East Coast snotbox elite. After her lavishing praise on the Reagans in regard to AIDS I know she and her supporters are utterly divorced from real life in every single way.

In a Primary we pick our favorite, my favorite is not Hillary the Iraq War voting anti equality DOMAcrat.

Plus you have your 'facts' all confused. Hillary does best with high income voters:



Senator Bernie Sanders beat Hillary Clinton among nearly every demographic group in the Democratic New Hampshire primary, according to exit polls.

He carried majorities of both men and women. He won among those with and without college degrees. He won among gun owners and non-gun owners. He beat Mrs. Clinton among previous primary voters and those participating for the first time. And he ran ahead among both moderates and liberals.

Even so, there were a few silver linings for Mrs. Clinton. While Mr. Sanders bested her among all age groups younger than 45, the two candidates polled evenly among voters aged 45 to 64. And Mrs. Clinton won the support of voters 65 and older. And, though Mrs. Clinton lost nearly every income group, she did carry voters in families earning over $200,000 per year.
http://www.nytimes.com/live/new-hampshire-primary-2016-election/bernie-sanders-wins-every-demographic-group/

[Bluenorthwest]

82. I think it is very full tilt freaky to ask others questions like this while not offering up your own

circumstances and what you think your candidate is going to do for you. Lord knows you are not voting for Hillary on my behalf, you do that for you. On DU her supporters tend to be the sort who say 'Hi, I'm very rich nice to meet you' before they tell you their names. Not just people with money but people who define themselves by their money. They speak of attending salons with Sec Clinton and having luncheons with Senators. They despise Bernie, they love Hillary.

So how about you? Is that you? Do you or your family work for Hillary or for a company that benefits from her campaign? Many of her supporters in the public eye are married to people who work for her. Many. Could be you. You fail to say.

[Daemonaquila]

84. This is such garbage.

NOBODY thinks they're going to be ok under Trump or Cruz. We will all be touched, personally or in friends/family, with unconstitutional laws and actions that will usher in a new dark age for elders, kids, people of color, immigrants, women, LGBT folks, non-christians, sick people, etc. Some people will still be in a similar spot in their job and mortgage and car payment, but that's all. Only self-deluded people think things will be unchanged for them. Only people with an overly aggressive Hillary-above-all agenda are willing to recklessly accuse others who don't want her as POTUS either, as being privileged and taking their stance only because they don't have any skin in the game.

I'm a white college graduate. My life is going to be worse if Clinton, Trump, or Cruz become president, though not in exactly the same way. Health care? Worse under all. I'm finally at an age where I have to occasionally worry about that. I have a relatively easily controlled (for now) chronic condition that costs a lot to keep controlled. I see no good coming from ANY of them in the health coverage department. I see no bright future in the fights against banks and corporations trying to rip me off regardless of which of those 3 would be POTUS. I'll have to be ever more worried about my kid and his family, trying to keep afloat. I'll be watching out for just as many, or more, state laws restricting abortion and making women's health care harder to get for me and for my friends. As a bi person, I expect I'll be seeing more and more state laws impacting my friends and community, with no help from Washington. I expect that all three of them would get us into a foreign war, with more friends' kids being sent overseas into danger for no good reason, and with disastrous economic consequences - again - for this nation as the "defense" budget sails through the roof at the expense of everything else. In short, there are 3 bad candidates out there, with Clinton being the least bad. But worse is worse.

Stop insulting people's intelligence with the idea that anyone but the 1% will be mostly ok... assuming they're white... regardless. Stop insulting people's integrity with the ridiculous accusation that we can take a principled stance only because we "have no skin in the game." Every time we hear this garbage from the Hillary camp, it's one more reason to reject her and the people who'll say anything for her to win.

[Chichiri]

103. Are you hanging by a thread right now? nt

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

86. I'd probably smile more.

[Chichiri]

106. You mean like Hillary should? nt

[SamKnause]

96. Yes.

He is going to raise Social Security Disability payments.

[shadowandblossom]

100. I'm for Clinton. If it weren't a Democrat I'd be effected.

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I'm a woman, so, reproductive rights will be gone since we have a conservative house and senate and would then have a conservative majority in the court. Abortion rates would stay the same, of course, but the deaths and injuries from them would increase as women get them anyway. I don't want to see that.

Lindsey Graham, a republican, joked that our right to vote is on the line this year. It was unclear whether he was talking about Trump or Cruz. I thought it was sort of telling. I would personally consider any Republican president a nightmare at this time.

My reply isn't so much about privilege as is about worrying aloud.

[dr60omg]

101. Probably but more important than me

What is more important to me than myself is my children. Yes there is a reality that I may benefit from a Sanders presidency: but, it is NOT about me! We do not have time for incrementalism or stasis. We are at a critical historic juncture.
Please also do not use the term Latino because it is not the same as being Hispanic. It also does not signify "immigrant." And, of course it depends on the group of people you speak about since everything is intersectional.

By the way I am 61 so it is not youthful idealism. It is not about social security but I do favor lifting the cap it is ludicrous that people stop paying into the system that earn over 118,000 dollars a year
It is not feminism since I am not into white bourgeois feminist ideas (see bell hooks and Melissa Alexander).
Please read the latest SCOTUS decision surrounding public unions that is significant.
Also please recognize that the people who benefitted most from affirmative action were middle class white women.
There was a time when the unions were strong that state colleges and universities were free or mostly free (see UC system, CCNY etc)


If, you think that something like climate change is not going to affect all people regardless of social, economic, racial, gendered, sexual region, religion cohorts you are not paying attention. So, yes having someone committed to the environment and who abhors frakking and that I can trust. And, that person is Sanders

The beautiful blue ball on which we reside does not have the time to wait ....

[Lucinda]

102. KNR

[BainsBane]

107. I suppose I would eventually lose my job

after the effects of government shut down filtered to the state level.

And I don't know what he would do to promote gun interests, but I do worry about increased gun violence in my community.

[So Far From Heaven]

108. After 45 years, I would finally feel good about my president.

Something intangible that Clinton can't provide. And I'm definitely a white college graduate who can think instead of follow.....

[PowerToThePeople]

111. Freedom, is nothing more to lose.