Evidence of voter suppression and dirty tricks in AZ??

[EdwardBernays]

LOTS and LOTS of interesting things here:

http://www.anonews.co/hillary-clintons-election-fraud-exposed/

Most of it is not wild speculation either...

Thoughts?

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Full disclosure, I originally posted this in GD, and was asked to move it do GD-P. Hope that's ok with every one

[LonePirate]

1. That article is bullshit because Clinton had nothing to do with the reduction in polling places.

It has campaign strategy for all campaigns since at least 2008 to get voters to the polls as soon as possible to lock in votes. Voting early is not a form of voter suppression. It's good campaigning. When you add that to her lack of culpability with the polling place reduction, the entire premise of the article can easily be recognized for the bullshit that it is.

The more important question is why are people unable to see through this transparent crap.

[Gwhittey]

2. Not Hillary but DNC was to blame for somethings

Like not alerting registered (D) of Early Voting. But they did let Hillary campaign in AZ know about it and got them to send out early voting forms in mail to all her supporters. They knew that voting was going to be a issue and the DNC took steps to fix this with only one candidate. What ever Clinton had anything to do with DNC plans I don't know.

Or even the whole get out the vote is missing from this primary because it might not get Hillary votes.

[LonePirate]

3. Bernie's campaign was also aware of early voting. It was not a secret. It was state law.

You are clinging to conspiracy theory bullshit that has no basis in reality. If anything, Bernie's campaign failed to get his voters to the polls during the early voting period.

[EdwardBernays]

4. the article

isn't just about early voting... just so you know...

[LonePirate]

5. It tries to link Hillary's massive early voting to the efforts to reduce polling places, though.

Combining those two claims, it then tries to peddle the argument that she convinced the networks to call her the winner after early returns are in. It's a house of cards built in a windstorm by those seeking a reason for Sanders' loss other than confronting his campaign's incompetence to get out the early vote.

[EdwardBernays]

6. no

it's not. And it's obviously not.

It's doesn't link these things, except conceptually... look at the issues seperately... some of them ARE being investigated, btw., by authorities... on top of that, Clinton's campaign chairman owns a massive PR and lobbying firm; he knows the value of an early call and is hired by countries like Saudi Arabia to manipulate the media. The media is largely pay to play, and in many instances what appears as news is simply PR. Someone versed in managing that system would potentially have the knowledge and influence to get something like an early call to happen.

And early calls are resisted by media originisations all the time EXACTLY BECAUSE they are KNOWN to influence voter behavior... so why did this one flaunt the norm? It's a question worth asking.

It's also worse asking if there are legitimate connections between any of these events, or if it's simply apophenia... we KNOW that campaigns play dirty tricks, including the Clinton one... Clinton herself has a LONG history of engaging in deliberate dishonest behavior, as does her staff. But is that related to what's happened here? Has the DNC AGAIN helped her, or is this all just a lot of coincidences that benefited one side?

It's worth asking IMO. You probably have a different opinion.

[LonePirate]

7. The early call is not made if Bernie had mobilized his voters to go to the polls early.

Yet you refuse to even consider that as a reason why he lost. It's Hillary's team pulling dirty tricks rather than admitting Bernie's team screwed up royally.

You simply want to stir up conspiracy theory nonsense where it does not exist. The things being investigated have nothing to do with Hillary and everything to do with Republicans.

[EdwardBernays]

8. I don't

not at all... the two are unrelated.
And I have no interest in conspiracy theory nonsense, quite the opposite really... to me you just seem very naive.

[LonePirate]

9. Show me some hard proof and evidence, except you have nothing but theories and innuendo.

You also refuse to accept the undisputed fact that Bernie failed to get out the early vote and that is what contributed to his loss more than anything else. Why do you deny that as the primary reason for his loss? A reason for which he was solely responsible and no one else.

[EdwardBernays]

14. you mean

like the AZ Sec of State admitting that thousands of people had had their voter registration flipped and they can't explain why, and now they'll have to go back and examine every single provisional ballot and re-do the election tallies... but that only happened after thousands of AZ citizens protested and demanded action... if they'd been like you that wouldn't have happened.

http://usuncut.com/politics/arizona-election-fraud-primary/

more:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/riley-waggaman/its-not-just-arizona-elec_b_9550670.html

[Trenzalore]

10. Bernie got out organized on early voting

The one thing I've been shocked about is outside of caucuses what an ineffective ground game his campaign runs.

[LonePirate]

11. Thank goodness someone else at DU understands why he lost AZ (and other states).

I know it's easier to blame someone else for one's own personal failings but primary state after primary state have proven how miserably Bernie has failed at the ground game. I may be one of his only supporters who will actually admit that.

[Trenzalore]

12. It's rather shocking

Michigan seemed to be an exception.

I don't think he uses his rallies effectively either to sign up volunteers or to ensure those who show up vote.

[LonePirate]

13. Work obligations prevented me from attending the Bernie rally in my area so I cannot comment.

I do know that registering people to vote, even if it is only for the GE, is a mandatory function at every rally, provided the law permits it. Encouraging people to vote in the upcoming primary or election - even scheduling ride shares or providing other voting aid where legal (such as interpreters, assistance for the disabled, or simply relaying info on polling place locations) should also be mandatory. Educating voters on state election laws, particularly early voting, is also a must have nowadays given all of the Republican mandated ID requirements in effect.

If a rally exists solely to sell merchandise, solicit contributions and serve as one big party, then the rally is a failure where it counts the most.