Hillary is ashamed of her donors (and should be). Bernie is proud of his donors (and should be.)

[reformist2]

Why the difference? Because Hillary's big donors are donating to maintain control. Bernie's donors are donating so that others in the future won't ever have to, ever again!

So when I hear that Bernie is now outspending Hillary, that we're beating her not at her own game, but we're beating her by not even playing her game, I say that's fantastic news indeed!

[ThePhilosopher04]

1. The essence of his campaign, and the essence of real democracy.

[PonyUp]

2. She should have shame for herself. Such a narcissist. nt

[rhett o rick]

53. Narcissists don't have shame. They are convinced that what they do

is immune to social standards. Lying about the need to invade Iraq, for example and never expressing honest regret. She has never addressed the consequences of her vote.

[PonyUp]

56. And she never will. No conscience and blood on her hands. n/t

[MFM008]

3. excuse me

I have given small amounts to HRC repeatedly, your half baked statement is offensive to us that don't support your candidate but go through the process like Sanders supporters.

[rhett o rick]

6. Bullcrap. Her money comes from the Wealthy and those that idolize the wealthy.

She has pocketed along with Bill over $100 million dollars in a few short years.

Whose side are you on in this class war?

[hobbit709]

12. We know whose side the Hillshills are on and it ain't the people.

[riversedge]

54. Vile name-calling is not a good character trait-not should be allowed on candidate

for the President of Dem.Party. Shame on you

[lastone]

55. there you go again...

Vile? You've got an overblown sense of outrage and a "vile" prism that needs a tune up (or down depending on how you look at it...)

[riversedge]

57. You have a sad with my use of the word vile. Shuchy darns.

[lastone]

61. a sad no, it's just that your outrage is so complete and misused...

why call something vile when is so obviously is not in the true sense of the word? It makes all the other things you state suspect...

[hobbit709]

66. But this is OK? Didn't hear any poutrage from you on this.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1616081

[riversedge]

67. Thanks for the heads up on the post. I will let the poutrage to you sence

it addresses your side. bye.

[longship]

8. In other words...

La La La La La La! (Fingers in ears)

Check out her donor list for a change of mind. Too big to fail banks, including Government... er eh... Goldman Sachs! Private prison corporations -- yup! They're doing a lot of good. As are the health insurers who seem to like her... a whole lot.

Meanwhile, Bernie takes money only from willing individuals, not corporate PACs. And he's proportionally kicking Hillary's ass.

One day folks will open their eyes.

[marions ghost]

9. This is how it works for the Hillary Victory Fund alone:

Not including PACS.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-02-03/clinton-rakes-in-millions-through-state-channels

Clinton's move last year to lock in fundraising alliances with 33 state Democratic parties has already added $26.9 million to the mountain of hard money she has raised so far, a Bloomberg analysis of Federal Election Commission filings shows. Bernie Sanders, her competitor for the nomination, has inked one such deal, netting a total of $1,000.

The agreements, thanks to a 2014 U.S. Supreme Court decision, make it possible for major donors to give hundreds of thousands of dollars in hard money to a candidacy, amounts far greater than the $2,700 limit on contributions directly to a campaign.

At least 24 donors have given $300,000 or more to the fundraising vehicle, known as the Hillary Victory Fund, including Haim and Cheryl Saban, George Soros and Daniel Abraham, longtime donors to both Bill and Hillary Clinton's political campaigns and the Clinton Foundation. The only other way to make such large contributions is through outside groups, such as super-PACs, which can take unlimited donations but can't coordinate with the candidate.

Under the agreements, the first $2,700 of a contribution goes straight to Clinton's campaign, the next $33,400 to the Democratic National Committee, and the remainder is split evenly across the 33 often cash-strapped state committees. Unlike super-PAC donations, the money can be spent to directly support her campaign on anything from get-out-the-vote efforts to TV ads.

[rhett o rick]

16. She says she is against Citizens United but she winks when she says it. This is the corruption

we are fighting against. This corruption is what directly leads to poverty, lack of health care, job losses, bulging Prisons For Profits, and attacks on Social Security.

[marions ghost]

22. Yes, corruption is killing us

[hrmbaja]

27. Guess what? Clinton doesnt give a hoot

Who you are, and just wants power.

[amborin]

4. and Bernie supporters don't pay $353K to get to see/hear him; more elite HRC fundraising on 4/3:

Dear Friends,

I am delighted to share that President Bill Clinton will headline a fundraising event in Los Angeles on Sunday, April 3rd. I hope you will consider supporting Hillary for America at the following event.

Reception with President Bill Clinton hosted by Sharon Nazarian
Los Angeles, California
Address provided upon RSVP
Sunday, April 3rd
Late Afternoon
$2,700 – Guest
$5,400 per couple in primary dollars - Champion (Includes photo with Hillary)


The event is expected to reach capacity, so please reply as soon as possible. To RSVP, please contact my Finance Director, Sean Kiernan, at 818-817-9555 or [e-mail].

[revbones]

5. Bear in mind that the whiners about her being outspent

are ignoring the millions going to and being spent by her super-PACs.

[rhett o rick]

7. And she gets free propaganda from the Clinton-Corp-Media. nm

[Scuba]

10. They always seem to forget the super PACs. Curious mental lapses abound.

[revbones]

11. Exactly! nt

[BernieforPres2016]

13. And Hillary can kick some of the SuperPac money to support other Democrats

So Rachel Maddow was asking Bernie last night if he is going to give some of the money we've been sending him for his campaign to the Democratic Party and other Democrats. Because the real mission is to help Hillary win the nomination and defeat Trump in the general election, right?

[CalvinballPro]

14. I'm a Clinton donor, so...

Go fuck yourself. Alert away if your precious feelings are hurt, but you started this by saying I'm someone Clinton should be ashamed of.

[rhett o rick]

17. So you stand side by side with Goldman-Sachs in contempt for the lower classes. Nice. nm

[CalvinballPro]

23. You don't speak for me.

I've noticed that most Bernie Sanders supporters will try to tell me what I believe, for no other reason than that they think this makes them "win" an argument. Really, it just exposes your intellectual deficits.

Have fun with that.

[rhett o rick]

25. There are two sides in this Class War. You can't support the Super Wealthy 1% and

pretend you are on our side.

[SwampG8r]

49. I have read what you post here and i think she would be proud of you

[beaglelover]

59. Agree with everything you posted 100%!!!!

[DanTex]

15. I'm a Hillary donor, and I'm quite confident that Hillary is not ashamed of any of us.

[rhett o rick]

18. I would be surprised that she would be ashamed of any of the dirty money she is using

to amass a huge personal fortune. I guess you see that as more important than helping those among us struggling.

[DanTex]

19. Her money isn't any dirtier than yours.

[rhett o rick]

20. I don't sell my soul to those fracking for oil profits, I don't sell my soul for Prisons For Profts

to lock up half the population, I don't sell my soul to the MIC and neocons for war, war, war. How much of her personal wealth came from the MIC as thanks for the Iraq War. Graft is dirty money.

I find it strange that Democrats would adulate Wealth and the Super Wealthy at the expense of those among us struggling.

[DanTex]

21. She doesn't "sell her soul" either. You just happen to hate her.

[rhett o rick]

24. I don't hate her. You saying that over and over doesn't make it true. I hate that there are those

like her that put amassing a personal wealth above helping others. In recent years the Clintons have been amassing about $10 million per year. They aren't welding, pipefitting, doing social work, teaching, they are speaking to the Wealthy and confirming that they will do everything in their power to give the Wealthy more power over the peons.

I hate that some people calling themselves Democrats idolize Wealth and the Wealthy.

[DanTex]

26. It's pretty obvious that you do. In terms of helping others, Hillary has done more

both in public service and through charitable work than almost anyone. I guess the fact that she's wealthy bothers you somehow, so you overlook all that.

[rhett o rick]

28. Being wealthy doesn't bother me in the least, it's how she got her wealth that bothers me

and should bother all Democrats. We are not the Party of the 1% and in a few short years, she has gotten money handed to her in the spirit of quid pro quo and is now among not just the top 1% but the top 1% of the top 1%. I see that as a high priority in her life, wealth and power. But some are drawn to the wealthy and powerful. Able to over look what they have done. Able to ignore those 50 million living in poverty and many more millions looking for jobs.

[DanTex]

29. The "quid pro quo" conspiracy. One thing about Hillary-haters. Lack of evidence is never a concern.

[rhett o rick]

31. And you live in denial that there is such a thing as quid pro quo. You pretend in your bubble

that Goldman-Sachs gives her personally over half a million dollars because she makes good speeches or that they like her charity work. Bullshit. She has always been against regulation of banks and Wall Street and that's what she promises them in her speeches. That's why they give her millions for her personal accounts.

In all the cases where she proposes to help us peons it is at the expense of us peons. Tax breaks to corporations that help their employees. We are paying and not the corporations. So they write her a check or maybe a suitcase full of case.

[rhett o rick]

30. She supported tough drug laws to fill our prisons for cash for her personal fortune. That's dirty

money. See my signature line.

[DanTex]

32. LOL. You mean the law Bernie voted for? Also I have no idea what this has to

do with her personal wealth. It's just the kitchen sink Hillary-bash. Look, you hate her, why not just say so?

[rhett o rick]

33. And you adore her and are willing to overlook that she supports the wealthy and not the 99%.

[DanTex]

34. It's silly to say she supports the wealthy and not the 99%. Just another empty smear.

She's been fighting for progressive causes her entire career. She voted the same as Bernie over 90% of the time in congress.

[rhett o rick]

35. It's an example of dirty money. She supports tough drug laws and Prisons For Profits

made big money and they share it with her. Now she is super wealthy. Dirty money.

[DanTex]

37. She and Bernie supported tough crime laws in the 90s, along with most everyone.

That's because in the early 90s crime rates were very high. Now people have realized that the laws went too far.

Still, I have no idea how you think she personally profited from that. And I definitely have no idea why you think that she made that vote intentionally in order to further her own financial ends.

That's a crazy allegation, and you make it with zero evidence.

[rhett o rick]

51. She has accepted money, cash from the Prisons For Profits industry. Some would call it graft. nm

[DanTex]

58. That's patently false. A couple lobbyists who had prison companies as clients contributed

money to her campaign. She didn't profit from it at all, and the money came from individuals not corporations.

Also, if you think that two decades ago when she (and Bernie) supported those crime laws, the reason she did it was in order to get a kickback of few campaign donations 20+ years later, you are have truly lost your mind.

[rhett o rick]

62. Nice rationalizations. The Prisons For Profits industry bundled money for her

until exposed. And please don't pretend that you don't recognize how corporations get passed the donations restrictions. All the execs donate incl their wives and then get bonuses from the corporations. It's a culture corrupted by big money and yet some pretend that it's just swell. The problem is that this culture has brought us to this point where we peons don't have anything left for them to steal. And yet your somehow rationalize that the Clintons aren't part of this culture. Do you think she tells Goldman-Sachs that they should behave or that she supports their looting of the 99%.

[DanTex]

63. As usual, no answer, just the usual Hillary-bashing conspiracy theories.

[rhett o rick]

65. Well go on living in your bubble, ignoring those in America suffering because of the corrupt culture

that you seem to relish. If I don't respond to your rationalizations for supporting the Wealthy at the expense of the poor, it's because I have put you on ignore.

[insta8er]

40. This is what always amazes me, the lack of knowledge when it comes to the cheersquad

The HRC cheersquad seems to be very uneducated on the subjects pertaining to their candidate, I guess that would be a prerequisite in order for you to even be a cheerleader for the shape shifter. Nobody with a good understanding of her record and the overall corruption that is rampant in our political system and how it disenfranchises the regular folks rights and voices would be able with a clear conscious to support this person.

[rhett o rick]

41. It's clearly authoritarian idiolization.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/127710250

It doesn't matter what they've done or what they might do, the followers like that she is tough, like Margaret Thatcher and Reagan.

[KingFlorez]

36. Guess what? Bernie Sanders doesn't give a damn about any of you all

He's milking you dry for his fruitless quest for power and that is something that only a very selfish/egotistical person would do. The odds of him winning are not high enough for him to keep hitting people up for money, yet he keeps on doing it just to keep the spotlight on himself. This vain quest is quite pathetic and people should be wiser than to fall for it.

One negative comment deserves another.

[rhett o rick]

42. How sad that you let your idiolization get the best of you. Those of us that

follow Sanders do so because of what he stands for and would/will drop him like a hot rock if he betrays us like Clinton did when she turned her back on our Party and kowtowed when Bush and Cheney asked. How could she pass up a war that would make her friends in the MIC wealthier and wealthier. She might need the favor back some day.

[KingFlorez]

48. I don't idolize Hillary Clinton

I like her and respect her as a public figure, but I don't hero worship her or think that she's faultless.

[rhett o rick]

50. And apparently willing to give her a pass for her betrayal in 2002 when she help Bush sell the War.

[KingFlorez]

60. Sometimes you have to let things go

I'm voting for the best QUALIFIED person to be President and that is Clinton, hands down. End of the debate, go on about your business. GOODBYE.

[rhett o rick]

64. How can you let it go that her vote, her support resulted in the deaths of maybe a million innocent

people? How can you forget the thousands of our troops dead and tens of thousands wounded, believing they were fighting for goodness and not MIC profits?

You have a choice, vote for the People and not Goldman-Sachs profits.

[Uncle Joe]

38. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, reformist2.

[hrmjustin]

39. I am proud to have given Hillary money. It is not much because I don't have much but...

... I was proud to do it.

unrec!

[insta8er]

44. You will remember this post, when she is elected and goes to war with Iran

sending home, fathers, brothers,mothers,sisters in body bags because of her re payment to the MIC that owns her.

[hrmjustin]

45. I already lost a cousin in Iraq so there is nothing you can teach me about the cost of war.

[insta8er]

46. You should know better then!

[hrmjustin]

47. I do know better and I am for Hillary.

I know Hillary is a bit more Hawkish than I want her to be but I trust Hillary with responsibility. I don't like or trust Sanders and if I don't trust him he will not get my vote.

[Blue_Adept]

43. Can you provide examples of this said shame?

Because it's actually lacking in your opening post.

[riversedge]

52. Do you get a prize for the silliest and or most vile subject line Thread?

[Babel_17]

68. K&R

Proudly.

[azmom]

69. Kick