2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumnew NY poll - Bernie 42%, Hillary 54% - Hillary's lead 1/4 of what it was 2 weeks ago
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ny/new_york_democratic_presidential_primary-4221.htmlSmarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)World capital of media billionaires that hate Sanders-ism to its core.
Murdoch, Zuckerman, Bloomberg, .... the whole damn zoo is headquartered here.
He's on the *ignore* list. ( They got that from DU? Who knows.)
Bernie's going to have to *buy* time. And lots of it.
IF they'll even sell it to him.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)If Bernie wins WI by the margins I suspect, he won't need to 'buy time', he'll be given tons of it....
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)I do agree with the premise that he should be given plenty of free time. But, that isn't how it's been playing out. Check out #Berniemademewhite, this happened after Bernie won some of the most diverse states in the country. So, no MSM and the DNC and corporatists aren't going to play fair and they aren't going to play this the way the game has been traditionally played, that winners get more airtime.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)Bernie's win in WI will just add more 'friction' that corp media can use for segments that allows them to create more 'friction' between Bernie and HRC... but either way, Bernie will get more air time, just not what exactly the kind he would want...
If Bernie wins NY then it will get so much more in favor of Bernie, since of course all things that 'matter' start and end with East Coast and especially the corp media hub of the US ...
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)how they twist the truth well I can't even hazard a guess what they will say about a Wisconsin win. Perhaps a variation of this
"How ever will Bernie recover from that devastating win in Wisconsin?"
StevieM
(10,500 posts)in the western caucus states. Even those states would have been much closer if they had held primaries.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)One thing for sure, there's one candidate that's gaining momentum both in delegates and polling and one that's not
So you grab tightly and hold fast to that perception, 22 primaries left and 56% or better from those remaining allow Bernie to beat HRC
Do you think Bernie can and will do better than 56% in WI?... Hmmmm I do
StevieM
(10,500 posts)on Tuesday.
I don't think Bernie will win New York, let alone with 56 percent of the vote. That goes for California too. And I think Hillary is favored in NJ and PA. Maryland should be a huge Clinton win.
He'll probably do better in Oregon, West Virginia and Kentucky.
We'll see.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)And with word of mouth support on social media, which can help blunt the media hegemony you refer to ...
Go New York! .. Go Bernie!
This is great news!
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)But this poll is great news for Bernie. Especially with what's going on in Wisconsin.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)since this was her state she should be winning by a landslide! This does not seem to be the case.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)BklnDem75
(2,918 posts)That's part of the headline of the poll you're citing.
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/images/polling/ny/ny03312016_N39pgrw.pdf
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Bernie has made huge gains in NY regardless of what's on the header.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)The real headline is:
QUINNIPIAC UNIVERSITY POLL FINDS;
ADOPTED DAUGHTER THUMPS NATIVE SON, EDGES KASICH
The post you are replying to is disingenuous.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)It almost seems like most posts are with a few exceptions.
I think they fail to realize that they are bragging about the very things that are wrong with the system we have right now.
No poll should have a headline like that.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)Shocking! Thanks for the heads up, and welcome to Ignore.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)We all know by now that the polls in this election season are garbage. Bernie didn't "make up" 20 points in New York in 2 weeks. We'll see what happens on April 19.
BklnDem75
(2,918 posts)I'm sure I'm in good company regardless.
Viva_La_Revolution
(28,791 posts)It's been that way for awhile, cause they know most people just skim headlines.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)That Emerson one was likely an outlier. In all the other polls going back to last year she was incredibly steady at 55%. All that is happening now is that Bernie is picking up the undecideds.. which isnt going to be nearly good enough. Even if he gets them all he still loses by about 10 points. Bernie needs a big win to have any chance at all of winning this thing.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)Comparing different polls doesn't make sense because of methodology and such. It makes for dramatic titles, but it's not the right way to look at polling.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Even if we disagree at times.
That said I'll take this poll even if it's an outlier. I'll be honest 😀
We need to see some more polling to see if this holds.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)My point is Hillary is steady at around 55% and will likely remain so.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)But I obviously want that to change. This poll does give a little credence to the theory that Hillary is worried about NY tho.
choie
(4,107 posts)Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)Well Except with African Americans after the Media and Black members of congress lied about Sanders Civil Rights activity and then said all Sanders supporters where racists?
Viva_La_Revolution
(28,791 posts)A few small bumps up sometimes but they don't last.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)But it might very well be right. Sienna Polling has a better history of polling races in NYS.
I think she will win from 10-20 percent so this might be right but I want to see Sienna.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)And I'll admit that Bernie needs more numbers coming his way if this poll to be believed.
But as it stands right now. I'll take it.
Viva_La_Revolution
(28,791 posts)Two weeks yet to go
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)The question is the margin. Sienna will be out with another poll soon and we shall see if it really is 12%
StevieM
(10,500 posts)I still expect her to win by double digits.
dchill
(38,433 posts)Dreadful whistling down by the graveyard.
hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)However I'm not sure he will become known everywhere in enough time to tip the balance.
GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)It also explains why Camp Weathervane out of nowhere began a blitz of right wing style negative attacks on Bernie. Same story every time, whenever Clinton Campaign sees numbers they don't like their answer are negative personal attacks
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)There was talk of internal polling that made team Clinton worried about NY. This kinda helps that line of thinking.
Victor_c3
(3,557 posts)I live in the Hudson Valley region of NY - about an hour north of NYC - and In the last year I've only seen one Hillary bumper sticker while I see lots of Bernie stickers on a daily basis. Hell, I see more "Obama '08" stickers in a given day than I see of anyone else other than Bernie Sanders in a given day.
If Hillary has as much support as the polls claim she has in this state, the people sure aren't showing it around where I live. Are they embarrassed of their support for Hillary Clinton? I'm really curious to see what will happen in my state's primary. Nobody I talk to admits to liking Hillary Clinton. They either go for Sanders or Trump.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)not the best time to poll in NY. Just realized that.