2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDC 37 (NYC) is one of the most progressive unions in the country
Very few organizations capture the intersectionality of labor, race, gender, and GLBT equality the way DC 37 does.
http://www.dc37.net/about/history.html
It is a union whose membership is largely people of color, with many women, that has stood for justice for all people, for all New Yorkers, for decades.
They chose to endorse Hillary Clinton in this election.
Unfortunately, some people who style themselves as standing for all the values that DC 37 has FOUGHT FOR are now trashing the union as corrupt, undemocratic, and failing to understand labor issues.
You'll never guess why.
Oh wait, you obviously know why.
You have a problem with DC 37, you have a problem with the core of progressive activism in New York.
If you think insulting them and condescending to them and patronizing them is going to win your candidate any votes, please proceed.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)LexVegas
(6,059 posts)choie
(4,111 posts)Progressive doesn't mean they're willing to go out on a limb and go against the establishment. No different than DiBlasio.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)and put it on the line to get results.
The ones who don't go out on a limb are people whose idea of activism is ranting on the Internet or Twitter.
CalvinballPro
(1,019 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)CalvinballPro
(1,019 posts)Unlike certain neohippies and their original-hippie mentors...
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)It's the new school form.
I read that on the internet.
choie
(4,111 posts)That has nothing to do with being willing to go against the establishment when endorsing a candidate. Even if that candidate that they endorse is not the one that will best respond to their needs.they are unfortunately no different than others who do the same
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)choie
(4,111 posts)The establishment is deemed by you and others as condescending - I couldn't care less!
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)as if they don't know what's good for themselves or are too afraid to do what you consider what's best for them.
Berniesplaining at its finest.
choie
(4,111 posts)Condescending, blah blah blah. So when you say others who vote for repugs are making the wrong decision that's ok, but when Dems say other Dems are, that's condescending.... What hypocrisy!!!
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)inferior to you.
choie
(4,111 posts)With being morally or intellectually superior or inferior - you must be having a conversation with yourself
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Which is really, really dumb, since they're, you know, labor activists whose main job is fighting with the establishment for better wages and treatment for workers.
choie
(4,111 posts)Endorsing a candidate and you know it.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)so much as Narcissistic.
The Bernie camp doesn't have a lock on that.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)choie
(4,111 posts)Nobody is saying anything about being more brave or bolder. Don't put words in other's mouths.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Do you think public unions are unwilling to go out on a limb and go against the establishment?
Do you really think this union is?
Are you familiar with how New York City politics works?
choie
(4,111 posts)Fighting for your members' rights is not the same as endorsing a candidate. You can make excuses for them supporting Clinton all you want, but the reason they did so is because they want to be in the Democratic political mainstream. clinton offers nothing but the status quo. Period.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)of people you've never met?
Pretty sure this is just your imagination talking, and that you have no factual basis for making such a claim.
But, you support Bernie, so you must know everything.
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)As is par for the course the membership was not consulted.
A number of these members enthusiastically signed Bernie's ballot petition, and I know of at least one who is voicing her objections to union leadership.
DiBlasio recently signed a new contract with the union after it was left hanging for many years by Bloomberg, so the leadership may have not have been in a position to buck the mayor.
Go Vols
(5,902 posts)The leaders picked Hillary.The members want Bernie,but they get no say.
awake
(3,226 posts)or did just the Union leadership make the decision?
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Hoyt
(54,770 posts)considering who can actually deliver what is good for the membership, as opposed to yelling platitudes.
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)100,000 members sit around and say "Nope." See how far that gets you. The leadership does what is best for membership, or they can be voted out. Can probably call a special election today. Won't happen because most members know what is best.
CalvinballPro
(1,019 posts)To Bernie supporters, this behavior seems A-OK. They think it's right and true to scream at, insult, and otherwise harass people in nomine Bernie. It never occurs to them to consider that this behavior might not be productive, because they can't even imagine a world in which it wouldn't be.
So let them shoot their own candidate in the foot. He deserves it, for poll-testing his policies to fit Millennial obsessions without testing whether they'd actually make good missionaries for his campaign.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)about activism and social change.
choie
(4,111 posts)Nobody is perfect and sometimes even idols don't make the best decisions. You wanna call that lecturing, go to it. We are allowed to critic or even the most progressive leaders -they're not exempt.
choie
(4,111 posts)Doesn't do polling - that's why she changes her positions every other day
CalvinballPro
(1,019 posts)"free college" and "marijuana legalisation" as ways to attract Millennials to his campaign? No, he doesn't.
All your anti-Clinton nonsense seems more and more like projection every day. Your candidate is the money-obsessed dishonest political insider. He's certainly been manipulating rubes like you far longer than Clinton has been in politics, that's for sure.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Bernie is a different type of politician!
choie
(4,111 posts)The same way Clinton speaks in front of corporations and banks and has &10,000 a plate fundraisers where she asks the 1% what they want. She is a panderer with a capital P
choie
(4,111 posts)Who are arrogant and think she is due the presidency. THAT is arrogance!
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geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)and multiple Clinton endorsing unions did consult and poll their members.
And no one who knows anything would actually dispute that the membership of this union would be likely to support Clinton over Sanders.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)With each, and every, endorsement ... I've read (on the internet) where someone knows someone who the leadership did not ask, personally, who the union should endorse.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)"I don't know anyone in New York who's voting for Hillary."
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)"I don't know anyone in that union that indicated support for Hillary (even though, the extent of my knowledge of that union is the internet, or that "I know someone who knows someone" ... so, it must have been the evil, corrupt leadership."
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)It's rather adorable
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Oh, the irony of that name!
I still maintain that HA Goodman is trolling the left. I would not be surprised if his first post-Democratic primary article is entitled, "How I fooled the fools on the Left ... It wasn't that hard!"
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)"How we fooled the fools of the Left AND right ... It wasn't that hard!"
No. It would have to be: "How we fooled the fools of the right AND Left ... It wasn't that hard!" ... trump's ego wouldn't allow him to take second billing!
choie
(4,111 posts)Right Geek, only you know the truth
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)you remind us of it on an hourly basis.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)fracking, for-profit healthcare and prisons, NDAA, torture as US policy, endless dark money in the political system, and wall street running amok.
But that's just me. I don't really see why anyone supports Clinton.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)and patronizing them is going to win your candidate votes, best of luck.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)up until the actual voting started.
Kudos!
choie
(4,111 posts)from the Clinton supporters. It just eats you guys up to have another Dem running against her majesty, doesn't it.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)that Black DUers, and others, had been telling Team Bernie for months ... well, until the actual voting started ... that calling Black people "low informationed" or calling us "Stockholm Syndrome sufferers" was not the best tool for persuading us to support Bernie?
The only one considering HRC, "Her Majesty" is Bernie fans ... much in the same way the republicans referred to President Obama, "The One".
And, while there are two people in the Democratic Primary race, only one was a "Democrat" before being forced to sign an affidavit in order to get on the N.H. Primary.
But, NO ... It it doesn't eat anyone up to have another an independent, running as a Dem, running against HRC. But that NO, for me is qualified ... should Bernie continue his run, AND that run is based in attacking the likely Democratic nominee, beyond the point of numeric elimination, I will be irritated.
ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)If they were up to speed, they would not vote against their best interests.
all american girl
(1,788 posts)wish it was my guy. Instead it's anyone who supports her or votes for her are stupid, not informed, or sometime (as that other thread and this one shows) worse. This is just sad and predictable.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)to demonstrate how morally and intellectually superior they are.
same ones who are more concerned with their precious purity of conscience at the ballot box than, you know, preserving labor rights and a woman's right to control her own body.
all american girl
(1,788 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)So its easy to see why Sanders supporters want to yell at Huerta. Shes an easy punching bag for those frustrated with voters they believe should vote for Sanders but stubbornly refuse to do what Sanders supporters want them to do. (Its similar to way that older female Clinton supporters have gotten bossy with younger women who vote Sanders.) Painting Huerta as delusional, corrupt or a liar makes the loss of these voting blocs easier to swallow, because the alternative possibility, that Clinton voters know what they are doing, is too painful to contemplate.
It really was the Huerta episode that convinced me that the Bernie movement was not for me.
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)Of course you can't because THERE WAS NO RANK & FILE VOTE FOR THIS ENDORSEMENT. How "progressive" is that???
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)that endorsed Bernie.
union leaders are more in tune with their members than people who don't live here.
You'll see when the NYC vote comes in how popular Hillary is vs Bernie amongst working class people in New York.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Oh, wait. Yes, one can.
But they have indeed placed their bet, and doubtless expect some good return.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)obamneycare
(40 posts)Every major union or progressive organization that let its members have a vote endorsed Bernie Sanders.
Meanwhile, all of Hillary Clintons major group endorsements come from organizations where the leaders decide. And several of those endorsements were accompanied by criticisms from members about the lack of a democratic process.
Its perhaps the clearest example yet of Clintons powerful appeal to the Democratic Partys elite, even as support for Sanders explodes among the rank and file.
http://theintercept.com/2016/01/22/bernie-sanders-gets-group-endorsements-when-members-decide-hillary-clinton-when-leaders-decide/
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http://dc37blog.wordpress.com/2016/03/30/dc-37-endorses-hillary-rodham-clinton-for-president/
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Go Vols
(5,902 posts)synergie
(1,901 posts)is literally the only one they have. Any other route requires education, facts, a grasp of reality and a candidate that any of those favor, so you can see why the name calling, abuse and other ever so persuasive tactics are necessary.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)in this country
MineralMan
(146,287 posts)Obviously it's full of people who don't know what is good for themselves. Clearly. For sure. Otherwise, how could they have supported Hillary Clinton?