NOW President Terry O'Neill: "When people say they can’t trust Hillary" it's "sexist bullshit"

[Miles Archer]

Or maybe they simply don't trust her.

Hillary Tells Us The Truth
03/31/2016 05:00 am ET | Updated 1 hour ago

Terry O’Neill
President, National Organization for Women

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/terry-oneill/hillary-tells-us-the-trut_b_9563722.html

Writing in Mother Jones, Kevin Drum has this perspective on why millennials might think that Hillary is untrustworthy:

It’s easy to understand why they might think this. After all, Hillary has been surrounded by a miasma of scandal for decades—and even if you vaguely know that a lot of the allegations against her weren’t fair, well, where there’s smoke there’s fire. So if you’re familiar with the buzzwords—Whitewater, Travelgate, Vince Foster, the Rose law firm, Troopergate, Ken Starr, Benghazi, Emailgate—but not much else, it’s only human to figure that maybe there really is something fishy in Hillary’s past.

I’ve been spending time on college campuses with young women who identify with what’s being called “New Wave Feminism,” and I get a lot of questions about Hillary Clinton and the “trust” issue. I’m gratified to report that I see heads nodding in agreement when I give my answer.

Hillary Clinton is the most admired woman in the world for a record 20 years, but as soon as she says she is running to be President of the United States of America, suddenly people say we can’t trust her. There is a gendered aspect to this that we need to confront. Politicians are constantly, constantly telling us not to trust women. We’re told we can’t be trusted to make our reproductive health decisions. We’re told we can’t be trusted when we say we’ve been sexually assaulted — it’s assumed that we are lying, or asked for it, or wore the wrong clothes, or said the wrong things. Even in the corporate world, women aren’t trusted to be top leaders. Only 5% of Fortune 500 companies have female CEOs. So when people say they can’t trust Hillary, they are tapping into the same tired old excuses for keeping women out of leadership. I call sexist bullshit on that.

[merrily]

1. Yes, lying has a sex.

I heard something funny this morning on MSNBC. With a perfectly straight face, Cory Booker, who had been asked about sexism, gave the example of comments on Hillary's hair, saying no other candidate had been subjected to such comments.

Quick: as far as negative comments about hairdos, have you heard more about Hillary's or Sanders? Christ, one of Stewart's parting shots at Sanders was that no one who went around with hair looking like he'd gotten his dick stuck in a light socket could expect to be President. I'd trade that for "Hillary has a new hairstyle" any day of the week and ten times on Tuesdays. I heard no one claim misandry or "reverse" sexism.

[CalvinballPro]

4. A few months of Sanders getting ribbed on comedy shows is not the same thing as 20 years

of constant gendered criticism as Clinton has been forced to deal with.

Your request for false equivalence is officially denied.

[merrily]

10. Your imagination is certainly active. I made no such request. If I had, you have no authority to

deny it, official or otherwise.

My post about very clearly went to a very specific comment made by Booker, so you can put the victim card away.

BTW, 20 years? Poor victim First Lady? Awww.

From the OP: "Hillary Clinton is the most admired woman in the world for a record 20 years," Awww.

Do you have any clue at all how much damage this highly privileged gender card bs does women in the real world looking for jobs--the ones who actually need them? Do you even care?

Moreover, the thread issue is whether lying or trustworthiness is gender based or based on her words and deeds. I'm going with the latter.

[daleanime]

38. +1

[djean111]

8. Claiming sexism is pretty much all they have got now, I think.

Notice it is never ISSUES - from the start it has been first woman in the White House, it's my turn, I want to be your champion (whatever the fuck that meant), glass ceiling, lists of way too early to be meaningful polls and longs lists of Stuff Hillary Has Said At One Time Or Another.

NEVER issues. Never about the fondness for war and fracking and cluster bombs and the TPP. And lots and lots of evolving to fit the latest polls.

[merrily]

11. Sexism and racism. As it was in 2008, so it now and probably ever shall be.

The specifics change, but it's always identity politics and a rather low variety, at that.

[haikugal]

12. .

lying has a sex!!

[daleanime]

41. It all makes sense now.....

the lies are reproducing.

[haikugal]

53. .

[840high]

74. lol

[merrily]

95. Glad you got a laugh. Those are rarer and rarer on DU anymore.

[RadiationTherapy]

22. John Edwards' hair, 2007

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cost-of-edwards-haircut-hits-1250/

"Beverly Hills stylist Joseph Torrenueva tells the Washington Post that one of his haircuts for Democratic presidential hopeful John Edwards cost $1,250 because Torrenueva had to fly to Atlanta and missed two days of work as a result.

"He has nice hair," Torrenueva told the newspaper. "I try to make the man handsome, strong, more mature and these are the things, as an expert, that's what we do."

Torrenueva, a Democrat, said he began cutting Edwards' hair for free but wound up charging him $300 to $500 per haircut, plus the cost of airfare and hotel stays. That's because Torrenueva was often forced to meet Edwards on the campaign trail to shear his locks."

[merrily]

28. Yes, and that started a trail that led to his prosecution, but my hair comment was an aside.

After becoming angry about the hair incident, Bunny Mellon called the Edwards campaign to say she didn't want anything like that to happen again. If there was anything potentially embarrassing to Edwards, they should let her know and she would pay for it. Yadda yadda, he got prosecuted for having Bunny Mellon pay for his mistresses' housing, even though she and her advisors knew exactly what she was doing.

But, I don't think the Edwards haircut, which was about using donated campaign funds to pay for high priced haircuts that he probably would have been getting anyway, is the same as the way all media used to focus on a woman's appearance. I cannot equate the two, simply because they both superficially involve hair in some way.

[RadiationTherapy]

45. No, of course not. Females' appearances are very much more scrutinized.

However the "mistake" of a haircut that costs as much as some peoples' rents is one easily evaded.

I don't ever want to pit sexism against classism, but I see this as more of a class-relations issue, personally. That isn't to imply Hillary's appearance won't be scrutinized no matter what she does, but she probably could have gotten some votes and good press at Supercuts.

Anyways, yes, I agree that part of sexism is the excessive visual obsession with women's appearances and I did not mean to diminish that.

[merrily]

49. Edwards haircut was neither a sexism issue nor a classism issue, but a use of campaign funds issue.

And a bit of an issue of the trivia over which media obsesses, rather than deal with important stuff. And we, like magpies, get more distracted by the shiny things than curious about the important things.

[RadiationTherapy]

59. Well, it certainly is a classism issue to me - as is the notion that such behavior

is merely a "shiny thing." What is important to me is important to me and I don't view myself at all as "magpie-ish."

I can tell you for certain, and with serious-sounding academic tenor, that $600 haircuts are absolutely important as a class issue and that such differences in spending habits between wealthy and not-wealthy are not at all trivial. I can also go on quite a bit about drivers not using turn signals as a microcosm of the selfish, "individualist" American mythos.

[merrily]

65. Had Edwards paid for the haircut from his own funds, as he had all his life, the price of the cut

would never have been an issue. The point was that he got an extravagantly priced haircut on the dime of his donor.

Yes, media pursues shiny things, like the haircut and which politician made which comment about a rival politician far more than it gets into policy weeds. And yes, the public in general follows them down that primrose path or no one would be watching those programs.

I didn't say anything about you in particular.

As I said, though, my original comment about Sanders hair v. Hillary's hair was an aside. We're pretty far afield from whether distrusting Hillary has more to do with her acts, words and omissions than it has to do with her gender. I am going to leave off because hijacking the thread was never my intention.

[RadiationTherapy]

70. All good. thanks for the chat.

[Miles Archer]

71. Ann Coulter used to call him "The Breck Girl"...

...but, of course, that wasn't a sexist remark.

[Jennylynn]

84. I've just celebrated my 30th year of Barbering

John Edwards hair WAS nice but $3-500? Not including airfare etc., John got ripped off big time!
Jesus I work for the wrong clientele. Thousands of people have JE's hair! And it's a very basic cut.
What a dummy. No wonder he got caught!

People have the thought that the more they pay the better.....so very not true.

[RadiationTherapy]

86. I agree! I couldn't believe it at the time either. But then I began to study communication

and I realized that it is the flaunting of status that a $600 hair style communicates. And that is why - as I asserted in my earlier and now abandoned upthread hijack - that such expenditures are classist.

[roguevalley]

90. nothing fries my butt like hearing words like they said here. What the

hell? So, if I'm saying the same thing about my sister am I sexist too? What a load. agreed, merrily

[merrily]

96. .

[Vinca]

2. Poor, poor Hillary. She's just another powerless female being battered by the masses.

Pardon me if I don't shed many tears. Trust has nothing to do with gender and whining "sexism" every time someone looks at Hillary cross-eyed is embarrassing to women everywhere.

[merrily]

37. Not only embarrassing, but damaging. I've sat on hiring committees. Trust me, it doesn't take

much to make them skittish, especially if a high paying, high responsibility job is at stake.

Failure to hire is a much harder case to prove than discrimination on the job. It's much easier to turn away on woman on the ground that no one wants to hire a lawyer and shlep to the EEOC because someone said something, even positive, about her hair.

I hasten to add that the committees on which I served were striving for diversity. Still...they were skittish. I also know how skittish companies are when someone hired because of striving for fairness and diversity performs at less than expected levels. The whole discussion is about how to go about easing out that person uber fairly and, if fairness doesn't fix the problem, then in a way that he or she has no grounds to sue. We went through no such drills when white males under performed or were a poor fit.

All you have to do is add on top of that an even higher likelihood that a woman might play the gender card over almost anything; and it could be a real problem for women seeking work, especially high paying work. Easing someone out in an uber fair and lawsuit proof (one hopes) way gets pretty expensive at $200K a year or more, plus nice benefits.

[KPN]

3. Nah.

Has nothing to do with gender and everything to do with her record and tendency to pivot her position on any issue for the moment. This article is just one of a few that are being published in high profile papers/mags/websites in the last few days to counter the recent polling trend in which she has been increasingly viewed unfavorably by the voting public.

Its BS.

[Hiraeth]

5. Isn't it just as sexist that she as known as the most admired Woman in the world for 20 years.

Isn't that the other end of the spectrum?

Who is most admired Human Being regardless of Gender?

Will -WE- as a species ever get to that point?

EVOLVE

[merrily]

17. Different categories came into being for good reasons.

However, crying victim when you've been Ivy League (Seven Sisters)educated, First Lady of Arkansas, on the board of WalMart, well-paid partner in a law firm (that did a lot of work for the State of Arkansas), First Lady of the US, US Senator, Secretary of State, and candidate for POTUS twice is fscking bizarre to me.

[dsc]

39. Ironic that you count a sister college whose existence is only due to the Ivy league not admitting

women as Ivy League.

[merrily]

44. Was my comment ironic, or was my comment a function of reality at the time? It was Ivy League, not

"normal" school, where women went to learn to be school teachers, if they were lucky. And Hillary did not have to put herself through college and law school, either.

If you don't see that as a life of privilege, you must be living high off the hog indeed.

Sandra Day O'Connor went to law school only a few years ahead of Hillary. The only job she was able to get was legal secretary.

BTW, I did mention Seven Sisters specifically to be accurate to her era. Added it in for that reason, in fact. So please don't post like you caught me in the act.

[dsc]

54. Oconnor graduated law school in 52

that is nearly two decades before Hillary. That said, Hillary has had a harder time rising as a woman than she would have as a male.

[merrily]

56. In the history of lawyers nearly two decades is not that long.

That said, Hillary has had a harder time rising as a woman than she would have as a male.

I disagree, but let's just leave it at that. You and I will never agree and I don't feel like a pointless pissing contest.

[Hiraeth]

40. How does someone like that get most admired? admired for what?

I do admire her tenacity.

Are we confusing admiration with fame?

That she is well known and one of the most recognized names and/or faces in the world I do not dispute.

Other than that ....

[merrily]

51. First Ladies have tended to get on most admired lists, but then they gradually disappear

into the background after the term or terms end and other First Ladies replace them. Hillary, however, stayed in the public eye.

[Hiraeth]

52. Hillary has made it a point (her job) to stay in the public eye. Tenacity, she has it.

[merrily]

57. I would say personal political ambition, but yes, persisting is usually part of

realizing one's ambitions, no matter what they are.

[Hiraeth]

72. Of course she is ambitious but, -I- don't paticularly admire ambitious people.

Not sure what you are driving at with me and this conversation.

[merrily]

76. I merely observed that you and Iwould word our respective descriptions of her differently.

It was not driving at anything.

[Hiraeth]

79. yes, it sounds like you are trying to argue with me.

[Meteor Man]

6. Calling Bullshit on Calling Sexist Bullshit

This is a false generalization. The reasons Hillary is regarded as untrustworthy have nothing to do with her gender or bogus right wing attacks.
Hillary's record on fracking, Wall Street financialization, welfare reform. mass incarceration and regime change are just a few of the reasons Hillary is not trusted by many progressive Dems.

[whatchamacallit]

7. What is it when you don't trust a man?

[merrily]

18. Same thing: lying.

[whatchamacallit]

24. That's what I figured

Just checking.

[merrily]

67. You lie, you say things that may be technically true, but are misleading because of what you leave

out of the statement, you "evolve" a lot, you evade, etc., and people just might not trust you. It's not a bathing suit parts issue.

AFAIK, no one trusted FDR's word more than Eleanor's.

[haikugal]

9. Oh please....fail.

[Blanks]

13. We didn't hold any other Secretary of State responsible...

For attacks on U.S. foreign offices.

There were over 200 marines killed during the Reagan Administration. How many times did Reagan's SOS testify in front of congress for the attack? Colin Powell too, there were all kinds of attacks under Bush, was he called to testify and $millions spent trying to pin attacks on him.

Reagan's SOS should have been at least 50 times over the Beirut attack, but it's ridiculous to hold the Secretary of State responsible for any terrorist attacks.

The whole idea that she is responsible or lying is ridiculous.

[merrily]

23. She was questioned, not jailed, ffs. That does not equate to being held responsible.

The circumstances were different in that the ambassador under Hillary had requested help in advance of the attack.
Also, Reagan was pre-911. And none of the people you mentioned had already run for the Presidential nomination of the opposite party.

Had the roles been reversed and Pres. Hillary had named Barack SOS after the 2008 and everyone was talking for years about an Obama run in 2016, do you really imagine it would have been, "Hey, Republicafns, hands off Barack. He's a guy! We only do this to women!"

Please.

[Blanks]

82. You think it's ok that they're using a different standard?

There was no where near the witch hunt after the attacks on U.S. Embassies abroad during the Bush Administration.

That was post 911.

It's the same with the emails. Nobody cares that all of the SOS prior to Hillary used whatever email they wanted.

It looks like she's being held to a much different standard than those who have come before.

[merrily]

83. My prior post explained that the situations are not the same at all.

Do you want to address my comment about Obama? If the results of the 2008 primary had been reversed, do you really think they would have let Obama off the hook?

I find it a total waste of time to reply thoughtfully to a poster who ignores what I actually posted, but claims I said it's okay to different standard for a woman than for a man when I obviously said. And then repeated what he said in a post to which I've already replied. That is not good faith posting. I don't have time for bad faith posters.



P.S.

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Member since: Fri Jun 8, 2012, 11:01 AM
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Hmmm.

[Blanks]

94. 'They' are racist as well as misogynist...

So, yeah it would have been the same kind of witch hunt.

I'm not sure what my profile information has to do with Hillary's treatment though.

[B2G]

14. So if Clinton gets the nomination, and

The Pukes criticize her for all of the same things we are currently, will be call them sexist?

My guess is yes.

[Politicalboi]

15. Does he even know what sexist means?

I know I don't trust Hillary. I NEVER trusted the Clinton's. And now I know why I have never trusted them, they can't be trusted.

[Beowulf]

16. What the Clinton supporters never tell you is what percentage of the vote

she received for most admired woman. Most years it's in the teens, sometimes she breaks 20%, sometimes she wins with 11% or lower. That means in a typical year at least 80% of Americans admire most someone else. "Most" in this case is no where near "majority."

[Bodych]

25. You're right...at least for 2015...

...the percentage was 13%.

So out of every 100 people, 13 admire Clinton, and 87 admire somebody else...in 2015.

Not sure I would claim bragging rights on that one.

Name recognition: Don't leave home without it.

[rock]

29. Let me guess

You were rather slow in statistics. Welcome to DU. You'll fit right in the BS crowd.

[Beowulf]

87. You are correct. It is a guess.

And a rather poor one at that.

[BernieforPres2016]

46. They should change it to "most famous woman"

Since it is based on people coming up with a name on something they probably don't spend much time thinking about.

[loyalsister]

89. I've wondered about that data...

I'm not sure who they polled, but an average USAer was probably barely familiar with Malala Yousafzai, Carley Fiorina, Queen Elizabeth II, Angela Merkel, Elizabeth Warren, and Aung San Suu Kyi.
Condeleeza Rice is a memory. Talk show hosts??? As great as Michelle Obama is, I see no reason why she would be included on this list.
Hillary wins with 13%.

Unless the outcome is decidedly robust, this can be as much a reflection of name recognition as sincere "admiration."

Aside from that, I see other reasons to be suspicious of this poll.

"<Billy> Graham has been among the top 10 most admired men every year since 1955 except for 1962, in addition to 1976 when Gallup did not ask the question. Despite that impressive record, he has never placed first, but ranked second from 1969 through 1974 and again in 1997 and 1999. Graham is now 97 and generally out of the public eye, but still this year made the cutoff for the top 10."

http://www.gallup.com/poll/187922/clinton-admired-woman-record-20th-time.aspx?g_source=Politics&g_medium=lead&g_campaign=tiles

[Doctor_J]

20. When cornered, play the gender card

You can't go wrong!

[Scuba]

21. Hillary has never lied and is perfect in every way except for her lack of a Y chromosome.

Yeah, that's the ticket.

[Buns_of_Fire]

58. Impressive. Even Mary Poppins was only practically perfect in every way! nt

[revbones]

26. Maybe it's because she's lied in the past that people expect she'll lie again

[Ed Suspicious]

27. Really? Because I'm no fan of Bill either. Maybe it isn't an issue of gender.

[merrily]

66. Good point. He wasn't called "Slick Willie" and the "Teflon President" for nothing.

He was not trusted either. One distrusted husband and one distrusted wife. It must be sexism!

[Skwmom]

30. When you make false charges of sexism you are hurting people that really suffer from sexism.

.

[Armstead]

34. Bingo-- Nail on head

[Bodych]

50. Great Comment (EOM)

[Bjornsdotter]

31. Of course it is

I'm female, 55, and Hillary & I share the same haircolor....a mix of #10n & 9N.

I don't trust her.....yeah it's all about sexism.

[notadmblnd]

32. I don't trust Ted Cruz either. He's not a female.

nt

[apnu]

33. I keep hearing this 'millennials don't trust Hillary' thing for a while and I've wondered at it.

I have to wonder if they aren't trusting her because as children they were exposed to wall-to-wall anti-Hillary bullshit when she was FLOTUS.

I know as a child I thought Jimmy Carter was bad because the adults around me and the TV was always saying he was bad. It took me years and a lot of re-reading of history and observation of Carter's post-Presidential life to realize I'd been sold a fiction. Which pisses me off to this day.

So does anybody think this automatic "mistrust" of Hillary by Millennials comes from the anti-Hillary saturation that we saw in the 1990s?

[Kalidurga]

35. Yep this is all they have.

Never mind a whole lot of people that support Bernie for President have also supported a whole lot of women for public office. Some have even voted for a woman for President on more than one occasion. I think clearly many people do trust women to hold high public office positions such as Governor, Senator, Congressperson, President, and a variety of cabinet positions. People should wonder why these kind of articles even exist in the first place.

[GreenPartyVoter]

36. So I'm a sexist woman who is going to hell, then.

[Autumn]

42. Not a lot of cards are left in that deck.

[merrily]

55. Here's hoping the joker shows up soon.

[BernieforPres2016]

43. NOW, the organization that changed their definition of sexual harrassment

to claim that Bill Clinton getting serviced by a young White House intern was simply sex between consenting adults?

I guess since they already threw away their credibility for one Clinton they're all in at this point.

I call bullshit on crying "sexist" when somebody points out Hillary's long record of corruption, which is not confined to all those old "vast right wing conspiracy" scandals they disingenuously try to limit it to.

[arcane1]

47. Women can't be untrustworthy?

[Zen Democrat]

48. Hillary will be making a tragic mistake if she officially runs as a "woman" candidate.

[dr60omg]

60. Really?

I have NOT seen young people satisfied at bourgeois white feminism especially since the notion of intersectionality is very important and consequential .... It is significant to understand feminism at least intellectual academic feminism has never put the ideas of someone like Steinem above those of Butler, or bell hooks etc

Intersectionality .... I hope you speak of intersectionality and why it is significant in terms of identity politics

So, what are you saying ... I am glad it is gratifying for you to do something on campus but it seems to be rather evangelical rather than academic and I would hope that if you are in the academy you are not forgetting that your responsibility is to educate rather than indoctrinate ....

But new wave feminism what sort of term is that there is second wave and third wave? Are you talking about Republican women who label themselves as feminists but are not

[AgerolanAmerican]

61. just ask Qadafi how trustworthy she is

[k8conant]

62. Terry O'Neill is spouting "sexist bullshit"

I should ignore Hillary's past because she's a woman? NOT
I should have supported Carly Fiorina because she's a woman? NOT
I should ignore what Debbie Wassermann Schultz is doing because she's a women? NOT
I should not support Bernie Sanders because he's a man? NOT


Give me a break!

this 66-year-old woman supports Bernie because he is for all of us.

[BernieforPres2016]

63. Terry O'Neill trying to change the definition of sexual harrassment back

NOW famously changed its defense of sexual harrassment to categorize Bill Clinton getting serviced by a young White House intern as consensual sex.

Here is Terry O'Neill in 2009 trying to change things back to the way they were:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0910/07/joy.01.html

<O`NEILL: Look, the question here with the Letterman -- I think that the Letterman case opens up a possibility of talking about the boss having sexual relations with a series of subordinate staffers.

That`s very different from office romances. And I think we need to be clear about that.

BEHAR: Oh so the difference that you are making is that if it`s the boss and an underling, it`s not good, but if it`s two equals, it`s ok?

O`NEILL: If it`s the boss and a series of subordinate staffers, absolutely, what he`s doing is creating an atmosphere where he`s telling everybody, the women are different from the men, the women are for sex, the men are for working.

And let`s face it, that`s exactly the -- that`s the impression that all of the workers get.>


So my comment to Terry O'Neill is shut the hell up, you friggin' hypocrite.

[Bluenorthwest]

64. Why does O'Neill think I should trust this? It's patriarchy enforcing loads of bullshit:

[EndElectoral]

68. All one has to do is listen Terry. Watch out for sniper fire along the way.

[grasswire]

69. oh wah!

Hillary the victim again. Which Hillary today? The strong tough woman who can take on anything? Or the perennial perceived victim?

[Blue_In_AK]

73. I don't agree with this.

A person doesn't acquire a "miasma of scandal" without reason. I can think of several female politicians who don't have a miasma of scandal surrounding them and several men who do, and vice versa. A person is either perceived as trustworthy or not, and usually if not, there's something in the person's background - the people he or she associates with, his or her positions on various issues, body language, whatever - that contributes to the perception.

[840high]

75. I had to k/r for the laughs.

[TheDormouse]

77. Some say the same thing about Bill -- Is that also sexist?

[Betty Karlson]

78. The sexism charge: a long dead horse beaten to a pulp.

Enough with the ungulate necromancy, already!

[Prism]

80. Bernie's criticisms would be sexist if he was Clinton

We get tons of comments about his hair and appearance. Now he's being slammed for his "tone". And he only gets a debate if he "behaves himself". "Why is Bernie always shouting?!" is a common refrain. "Why is Hillary shouting at me?" Stop saying that, you sexist!

Dude, we'd have to build fall out shelters for all the head explosions if those remarks were thrown in Hillary's direction.

Hillary Clinton - our first victim president.

And this isn't even feminist. I don't think it is pro-woman to constantly cast the first serious female presidential contender as a weak victim who is constantly picked upon.

If I were Hillary's campaign, I'd instead opt for, "Lookit her being a bad ass mofo, kicking in teeth and claiming asses!"

But no. Another day, another, "But she's just a girl!" piece that is ostensibly in her defense.

This shit doesn't defend her. It casts her as a special snowflake in need of protection. It's the exact opposite of what she needs.

[jmg257]

81. So my wife, a VP in a fairly big corp, is sexist??

Who'd a thunk?

I call bullshit on THAT.

(psst - maybe if one wants to be thought as trustworthy - you should actually be trustworthy; and not display pathological habits of mishandling documents, blocking investigations, making exaggerated claims, poll-morphing, etc. etc.)

[JackRiddler]

85. I never say this. I trust her.

Not what she says, of course, but since when does that matter? There is little doubt about what she will do. She does have a core. Under all the triangulatin' and pretendin' her record is consistent as a New Democrat, neoliberal in economics, draconian to the poor, mainstream liberal on civil-rights issues, and Kissingerian in foreign policy. The last part she's said, no reason not to trust her. And most of this record is abominable.

[CharlotteVale]

88. Reproductive health decisions? Does she mean the ones Hillary is against women making

for themselves on late term abortions - the decisions that Hillary is willing to "compromise" with Republicans on to the point of "constitutional action"? Those decisions?

Insult away - I will never trust Hillary. Period.

[Karma13612]

91. That article starts with an interesting quote:

Hillary Clinton is the most admired woman in the world for a record 20 years

Really? Most admired for twenty years?
Name recognition yes, admiration and respect and trust? No

My dad used to say: the soundest reasoning can lead to the wrongest conclusions when the premises are false

[dana_b]

92. omg..

Yes, I'm a sexist who hates herself, her daughter, her sisters her mother...

Fuck you, Terry O'Neill. We don't trust Hillary because she is a damn LIAR!!!

[Armstead]

93. Feminists are setting back their own cause with this kind of blather

I can think of plenty of males I admire in certain ways but whom i would never want to be President. Has got nothing to do with gender.

I can also think of certain women who I would love to see run

People like Oneil are both reinforcing the stereotype of those who think women should not have power because they are not up to the demands--- while also alienating those who support the goals of feminism but don't believe Clinton should be president..

[WestSeattle2]

98. What nonsense.