2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumInside the FBI Investigation of Hillary Clinton’s E-Mail
"Late last summer, the director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, James Comey, met with John Giacalone, the bureau official responsible for everything from counterterrorism to counterintelligence across the U.S. Giacalone, a fireplug of a man who started out as a New York City field agent battling organized crime in the 1990s, wanted to brief Comey on a high-profile issue that had been referred to the bureau by the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community. Emails found on the private, unclassified server used by Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State contained classified information; Giacalones National Security Branch wanted to investigate how the secrets got there and whether anyone had committed a crime in the process. Comey was clear about one thing. He wanted to make sure it was treated the same way as all other cases, says Giacalone, who left the bureau in February."
http://time.com/4276988/jim-comey-hillary-clinton/
B2G
(9,766 posts)Looks like another article is coming on April 11, but I'm not a member and can't access it.
I didn't realize Comey also investigated Whitewater.
"Comeys first brush with them came when Bill Clinton was president. Looking to get back into government after a stint in private practice, Comey signed on as deputy special counsel to the Senate Whitewater Committee. In 1996, after months of work, Comey came to some damning conclusions: Hillary Clinton was personally involved in mishandling documents and had ordered others to block investigators as they pursued their case. Worse, her behavior fit into a pattern of concealment: she and her husband had tried to hide their roles in two other matters under investigation by law enforcement. Taken together, the interference by White House officials, which included destruction of documents, amounted to far more than just aggressive lawyering or political naiveté, Comey and his fellow investigators concluded. It constituted a highly improper pattern of deliberate misconduct.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)It is interesting
B2G
(9,766 posts)from the get go.
That has to make her sweat a tad.
intrepidity
(7,291 posts)Sounds like Comey has been here before. I'd say he's perfectly suited for this task, so whatever his decision, I will accept it.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)I didn't know that Comey was involved back then.
Jennylynn
(696 posts)How freakin' long does it take for goodness sake?
B2G
(9,766 posts)awake
(3,226 posts)Jennylynn
(696 posts)Good points.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)And probably big. It is a long time
Jennylynn
(696 posts)And THEN gets indicted? I will be more than angry.
B2G
(9,766 posts)It won't matter what the DOJ chooses to do at that point.
She'll be toast.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)an indictment.
B2G
(9,766 posts)That's what she's paid for.
poprocks71
(15 posts)Also heard that someone was granted immunity for spilling the beans. Guess they always save the best for last in the interview process. I wonder if HRC will cooperate and if she doesn't, what will it mean for her campaign. Now correct me if I'm wrong but didn't she say that she was not being investigated? Plus isn't this probe the same thing as an investigation?
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)I don't think Hillary can say that anymore.
poprocks71
(15 posts)And she probably will up to the very end. If you tell alie long enough then does it become the truth? My biggest questions are how long will the leaders of the dem establishment let this go on? Plus will they ask her to bow out of the race because of it?
mmonk
(52,589 posts)but fair. If you attempt to evade or give a falsehood, he will give you an obstruction charge. Otherwise, if the evidence is there he will indict, if not enough evidence to prove an offense, he won't suggest a charge. He seems to me to be someone that is aware of politics but will not let it interfere nor play a part of any decision.
GeorgeGist
(25,319 posts)Although the FBI is responsible for investigating possible violations of federal law, the FBI does not give an opinion or decide if an individual will be prosecuted. The federal prosecutors employed by the Department of Justice or the U.S. Attorneys offices are responsible for making this decision and for conducting the prosecution of the case.
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/faqs
mmonk
(52,589 posts)The DOJ indicts.
appal_jack
(3,813 posts)IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)why the "silly email" matters so "normal people" can understand it, and now a Time Magazine article explaining the credibility of the man investigating is rock solid/he is a "law man/not a politician".
It's coming down very soon....I almost feel sorry for her.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)We might know before NY.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)out soon.
passy
(853 posts)"Emails found on the private, unclassified server used by Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State contained classified information; Giacalones National Security Branch wanted to investigate how the secrets got there and whether anyone had committed a crime in the process."
http://observer.com/2016/01/hillarys-emailgate-goes-nuclear/
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)passy
(853 posts)And this was outside information that did not originate at the State Department but was sent to her privately by Blumenthal. The information he sent her was most certainly meant to be kept secret as it was about a really delicate political matter. What Comey is certainly interested in, is how Blumenthal got that information and why she accepted it through her private e-mail. It seems to me that she should never have allowed him to send her that information by e-mail as her aides might not have had the clearance to even have access to that information through the proper channels at the State Department.
There could be several more e-mails from Blumenthal with highly classified information, if that it the case then it shows that she had no qualms about receiving this kind of document through improper channels, that she did not see it as a problem that a civilian was getting access to this information and decimating it.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)The thing is, as SoS Clinton would be creating sensitive/secret documents on a regular basis. She would know that they would be determined to be classified when reviewed, even though not at the time she wrote them. Mishandling those documents before being determined classified is just as bad as mishandling them afterwards. Plus, there's the whole conspiracy to ignore FOIA by use of the private server, plus violations of the Records Act in not preserving them. Those alone are serious charges, plus there's always the possibility of obstruction and perjury charges if they're found to have occurred.
Clinton knew the laws and rules...she chose to ignore them.
MFM008
(19,804 posts)That she was passing information to the Koreans, or the Russians? Perhaps she IS a spy.
The reality is she will be found not culpable of doing anything wrong just like USUAL after repubes get themselves in their usual twist about anything Clinton, OR we will see in depth investigations into Colin Powell and Condaleeza Rice.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)They used personal email accounts for PERSONAL communications only and followed all applicable security laws.
Hillary, not so much.
MFM008
(19,804 posts)there it is.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)The issue is she may have broken laws that are in place to make it difficult for those without clearance to get hold of classified information. It's not that she's a spy, it's that she possibly didn't handle sensitive material properly according to the law and was careless. The penalties for those crimes are pretty steep.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)And when they do, she will implode. It is suicidal to have her as our nominee. Already, 2/3 of voters see her as untrustworthy, and on top of that add this.
In the video at this link, Shane D'Aprile (publisher Campaign and Elections magazine, former campaign reporter for The Hill) says (4:10, 6:10):
"... Whoever the Republican nominee is, whether it's Donald Trump, whether it's somebody else eventually, Hillary Clinton is going to face a withering amount of attacks from the Republican nominee on this issue regardless of what happens with this investigation, right? Even in the best case scenario for Hillary Clinton, which is that she's cleared of any wrongdoing after this investigation finally concludes, there's still a very serious question of judgment here, and whoever the Republican nominee is, is going to jump on that come the Fall.
...
If the Clinton campaign thinks that, even like I said in that best case scenario -- that she's cleared of any wrongdoing in this -- if the Clinton campaign thinks that's the end of the issue, as a general election issue, they're nuts. There's no way it is. It's going to be a major issue. It goes directly, it impacts her numbers on trustworthiness, honesty, I mean this is a big thing for Republicans to exploit in the Fall. So it's a problem for her, either way."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/03/31/one-shot-at-queen-fbi-ag-intensify-focus-on-clinton-email-probe.html
And no, she's NOT VETTED AT ALL ON THIS because Bernie will not bring it up. She is the one not vetted. She is the gigantic liability. There is no way to deny it. Her supporters can say they don't care, but they can't deny it.
And btw, her excuses that she repeats as her defenses on this are lies, blatant, flat lies. She was not "allowed" to have this server, others didn't do anything remotely similar, and some very classified stuff was transmitted; add to that, pay-to-play between the State Dept. and the Clinton Foundation.
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)Inside is what Fitts was/still is all about
http://narconews.com/Issue40/article1650.html