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I'm 54. Does Hillary Clinton feel sorry for me too? Would she say... (Original Post) cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 OP
Me Too noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #1
Don't Cry For Me Hillary. nashville_brook Apr 2016 #2
Yeah, I'm 45 and had the same reaction. TDale313 Apr 2016 #3
The woman is out of her freakin' mind. pangaia Apr 2016 #4
No she doesn't. She thinks you're old enough KPN Apr 2016 #5
I am older than you three, so in my sadoldgirl Apr 2016 #6
"You weren't supposed to be paying attention! Go back to sleep!" n/t Hydra Apr 2016 #7
She specifically said young people so, she wasn't talking to you elderly and middle aged supporters. Henhouse Apr 2016 #8
I'm 56, and a lapsed Mensa member... mak3cats Apr 2016 #9
49, female Bettie Apr 2016 #10
Fuck her narcissistic condescension. TM99 Apr 2016 #11
I'm 65. And she's sorry all right. hobbit709 Apr 2016 #12
Good Christ. She didn't actually say this? DirkGently Apr 2016 #13
I'm older than you and momentarily thought that - then I realized that CharlotteVale Apr 2016 #14
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #15
I'm 65 I wonder if she thinks I need to do more research too karynnj Apr 2016 #16
She is so out of touch. SamKnause Apr 2016 #17
She is dismissive of, and annoyed by, people who don't agree with her. reformist2 Apr 2016 #18
Entitlement. Over and over and over. DirkGently Apr 2016 #20
. Teamster Jeff Apr 2016 #19
Her condescension towards Millennials is going to destroy the party. Odin2005 Apr 2016 #21
If Hillary becomes the nominee, Utopian Leftist Apr 2016 #22
interesting... Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #24
Are you a multi-millionaire? Aerows Apr 2016 #23

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
3. Yeah, I'm 45 and had the same reaction.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 05:12 PM
Apr 2016

We're clearly just too stupid to get how the "game" is played. No, actually, many of us get exactly how it's played and think it needs to change and that not only is she not the one to fix it, the Clintons have had a huge part in getting us into the mess we're in.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
6. I am older than you three, so in my
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 05:14 PM
Apr 2016

case she would probably say that I had Alzheimers.

I can assure you that I did not suffer from
any amnesia.

mak3cats

(1,573 posts)
9. I'm 56, and a lapsed Mensa member...
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 05:17 PM
Apr 2016

...so of course I'm too stupid to understand the research I've done. I voted for Hillary for Senator, but I would have a really hard time voting for her ever again.

Bettie

(16,072 posts)
10. 49, female
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 05:40 PM
Apr 2016

and very much aware of who she is and what she has done in her life.

Now, she is better than Trump or Cruz or any of that clown car, but she's far from my first choice.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
11. Fuck her narcissistic condescension.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 05:45 PM
Apr 2016

I have multiple graduate degrees. I am quite 'smart' enough to have done the research. Not only that but I have lived in both Arkansas under the Clintons and then the 1990's with them in the White House.

We can not afford to have another Clinton administration in my life-time.

This will be the weekend when historians will say that Clinton lost even if she were to steal the primary. I will never ever vote for her. And I am not alone.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
13. Good Christ. She didn't actually say this?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 05:52 PM
Apr 2016

I have extended Ms. Clinton every benefit of the doubt I can think of. Her qualifications. Her resume. Her self-assuredness navigating the political system. And so forth.

But while she continues to hold a heavy advantage in the Dem primary race, it seems like the moment anything remotely dissatisfactory occurs, decency and good faith are tossed heartily out the nearest window, and we get this sneering, disingenuous flavor of personal attack.

I remember it well. Our household supported her in 2008 until she started her racist dog-whistling about owning the "hard working white people" vote and that fast one was she tried to pull in the Michigan and Florida primaries.

On March 13, 2008, NPR interviewed Clinton, reporting:

Hillary Clinton says the results [in Michigan] should count, even if Barack Obama's name did not appear on the ballot. "That was his choice...There was no rule or requirement that he take his name off the ballot. His supporters ran a very aggressive campaign to try to get people to vote uncommitted."...Clinton [says] that the Michigan and Florida pledged delegates should count because both are seen as key battleground states in the general election. But if the national party does not agree, she says, the states should re-do the primaries.[28]

When pressed by NPR, Clinton said, "We all had a choice as to whether or not to participate in what was going to be a primary, and most people took their name off the ballot but I didn't."[28] Critics have labeled Clinton's actions as dishonest, and charged her with trying retroactively to change the rules for her own benefit.[29][30][31]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_Democratic_primary,_2008

I'm trying not to fully reject the idea of her being the nominee, as that still seems likely. But boy, is she hard to like sometimes.

CharlotteVale

(2,717 posts)
14. I'm older than you and momentarily thought that - then I realized that
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 05:53 PM
Apr 2016

Hillary saying she "feels sorry for" anyone who won't vote for her was just a euphemism. I mean, when does Hillary ever feel sorry for anyone (except Wall Street)?

Response to cherokeeprogressive (Original post)

karynnj

(59,498 posts)
16. I'm 65 I wonder if she thinks I need to do more research too
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 06:12 PM
Apr 2016

My problem is that whenever I do research on her statements, I find that she lies or exaggerates.

It was interesting that when she left the State Department, the common wisdom was that she improved relations, but had no really big accords or agreements - other then helping get Israel to agree to the Egyptian brokered ceasefire in Gaza. It is also clear that she worked hard as Secretary. The consensus was she was a competent, but not an outstanding SoS. Why not just claim that - it is honest and it is a huge credential in addition to the rest of her resume.

Since then, she has taken credit for Iran, the Paris Climate Change agreement, getting chemical weapons out of Syria, and the UN resolution that has led to the cessation of hostility and the current peace talks in Syria -- though she does say Kerry did finalize them (except for the chemical weapons where her book only credits him with a gaffe). I honestly wonder if she will soon decide that he should split the blame on the emails - saying that each of Obama's secretaries had half their email on a private server!

SamKnause

(13,088 posts)
17. She is so out of touch.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 06:49 PM
Apr 2016

When Bernie mentioned Pinochet during one of the debates

the internet was on fire.

Does she not realize how smart young people are ???

Does she not realize how social media has changed the

playing field ???

I am 62, almost 63.

I don't need to do any research.

I lived through it.

I am so proud of the young people in this country !!!!!!!!!!!!

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
18. She is dismissive of, and annoyed by, people who don't agree with her.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 06:55 PM
Apr 2016

She's not one to figure out how to bring people together. With Hillary, it's either my way or the highway!

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
20. Entitlement. Over and over and over.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:41 PM
Apr 2016

The culture of the Clinton campaign is entitlement. The career politicians will support her. The financial sector will support her. The "super delegates."

They will let everyone know precisely what their choices will be.

This is the attitude of people who have cultivated power under corrupt circumstances. They have made the required moral sacrifices. Bargained with the right devils.

So no one else should be heard or should be permitted to succeed in any other fashion. Not people with $27 to donate. Not people who hold principle over party affiliation. Not the young. Not the idealistic.

How DARE they?

Which, some might say, is precisely the attitude Democrats, at their best, oppose.

We shall see.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
21. Her condescension towards Millennials is going to destroy the party.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 08:02 PM
Apr 2016

Mark my words, if Hillary is the nominee the Dems will loose Millennials forever, it will be relegated to the status of an eternal minority party.

Utopian Leftist

(534 posts)
22. If Hillary becomes the nominee,
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 10:06 PM
Apr 2016

and Bernie does not run as an independent, then Jesse Ventura, former Minnesota Governor, has said he will run as an independent. In other words, the revolution will continue, regardless....

Maybe it's just me, but I can foresee someone like Ventura pulling a good 5-10 percent away from the Democratic ticket.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
23. Are you a multi-millionaire?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 10:14 PM
Apr 2016

Do you feel that everyone except your family circle makes too much money for all the wrong reasons?

When someone mentions free speech, do you automatically say *no* I cost $225,000?

When asked if you take fossil fuel money, do you yell in the face of a Greenpeace activist?

Must be Hillary™

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