Independent voters could make polling sites a nightmare

[workinclasszero]

Independent voters could make polling sites a nightmare
By Marisa Schultz April 13, 2016

WASHINGTON — New York election officials are bracing for a mess at the polls because they expect many Bernie Sanders voters will show up who can’t vote.

“I’m going to predict that a lot of Sanders people who come from the ranks of independent voters are not actually registered Democrats and they will cause lines and waits at the poll sites while they attempt to vote affidavit ballots or obtain court orders to vote,” said John Conklin, a spokesman for the state Board of Elections.

http://nypost.com/2016/04/13/independent-voters-could-make-polling-sites-a-nightmare/

Are independent voters going to cause havoc and disrupt democrats right to vote next week?

[HassleCat]

1. Probably

Many voters don't understand closed primaries.

[CorkySt.Clair]

4. They've been around for awhile

[workinclasszero]

6. Oh I think they understand well

and will try to stop the election on purpose.

Its being organized right now I bet.

[NorthCarolina]

29. Yes, damn "the people" for wanting to vote in America.

[workinclasszero]

31. The democratic party has the right to choose its candidate

What part of this don't you understand?

I can't vote for the local Boy Scout leader either cause I'm not in their club! HORRORS!!!

If "independents" had their own nominating process they would not allow ME to pick their candidate either, and rightfully so!

[artislife]

38. Sometimes, regime change is painful.

[workinclasszero]

40. Gee thats deep

[artislife]

43. It is just a flesh wound..for now.

[COLGATE4]

49. Until April 19. Then it rapidly becomes fatal for Bernie.

[artislife]

58. But hill won't be sworn into office in January

She isn't likable enough for the nation.

[COLGATE4]

59. You can hope, but I doubt it's going to do you

any good. She's a hell of a lot more likeable than Trump or Cruz.

[artislife]

75. There are a lot of repubs

and the left has another option to actually vote for the issues that matter to them.

[COLGATE4]

76. Until April 19. Then, after that date, it becomes

a wasted vote.

[artislife]

81. Not wasted at all.

You think getting your candidate in is the only goal. It isn't.

[NorthCarolina]

82. Boy Scout leader is not an elected public servant. nt

[onehandle]

2. 70% of 'independent' voters range from 'moderate' to conservative.

I do not want them picking our Democratic candidate.

[CorkySt.Clair]

7. +1

Most lean right. That's a fact. It's also become fashionable to identify as an I. Of course people don't drop their world view when they re-classify themselves that way.

[ScreamingMeemie]

8. Let's put it this way, I consider myself a moderate.

Always have. 10 years ago, people hated me for being moderate on this very site. I still hold the same views, and now, I'm considered a far-left commie. Let that sit there for a minute. I am being sincere here. I'm an Independent who votes wholly Democratic. If I had to register to vote in a closed primary, I would register Democratic. The media's moderate is often DU's Bernie supporter.

[Jackilope]

37. DNC embrace of Corporati$ m is creating some Independent registrations

People of both parties are angry at what their parties are morphing into. New Democrats or Third Way isn't what I'd brand as Democratic Party.

[Phlem]

42. absafuckinglutely!

Reap what you sow!

[uponit7771]

53. +1

[polichick]

3. Or will Bill Clinton disrupt voters' rights AGAIN?

[ViseGrip]

32. Of course he will, Hillary is losing. What about voters who were switched erroneously?

[northernsouthern]

5. God I hate the Independants...

Always trying to vote in an election!

Are independent voters going to cause havoc and disrupt democrats right to vote next week?

Are you serious? Holy sh!t how can you in one short distance got from the fact they can not vote to disrupting the right to vote.


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[Cali_Democrat]

9. This is not an election.

The election is in November.

This is a primary to pick a nominee for the DEMOCRATIC party.

[northernsouthern]

14. Nope.

This is an election, look at the definition. That is why they call it the primary election. For a group that thinks that a certain word beside corporate has the exact same meaning, you quickly pivot.

You do know states are challenging the closed elections because they are paid for my tax payers...something about taxation and represent something or other? I always forget that line. I had something to do with the US and the east coast...can't recall. I would love to see an article on how so many HRC people are in favor of the closed system, but claim to care about voting rights.

[Cali_Democrat]

39. Nope. It's just a primary. It's not an election. nt

[northernsouthern]

45. In that case can you update a few places.

Websters

Definition of primary
3e : of or relating to a primary election <a primary candidate>

Encyclopædia Britannica

Primary election, in the United States, an election to select candidates to run for public office. Primaries may be closed (partisan), allowing only declared party members to vote, or open (nonpartisan), enabling all voters to choose which party’s primary they wish to vote in without declaring any party affiliation.

http://www.britannica.com/topic/primary-election

Wikipedia
Primary Election
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_election

The US
Primary Election
https://www.fvap.gov/vao/vag/appendix/state-elections

etc...

[Kittycat]

44. They just want their taxes to pay for it.

But step aside. You don't count.

As screwed up as IL is, at least we give voters the right to declare until it's time to cast their votes. Anything can happen until then. Voters deserve the right to decide.

[northernsouthern]

48. Yeah, perhaps independants can sue.

I wonder if they can have a case that they are unduly kept from s system they pay for?

[COLGATE4]

54. About the same case that someone suing because the

government participates in a war that they don't agree with. And the probabilities of success are about the same. As we say in the trade, 'any idiot with $100 can sue'. The trick is winning, not suing.

[northernsouthern]

56. Good point.

I know some entities have protection from litigation, but since the DNC and RNC are not quite governmental, they may be more liable. The most depressing thing thus far is finding I agreed with both Utah and Arizona on the state defunding the elections for them not being open. I know they were using that as an excuse, but it was a decent one. I think we are more OK in WA since we allow registration at the door and absentee ballots.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

10. Voting rights for Independents!

I'm all for it.

[workinclasszero]

11. They can vote in the general, nobody is stopping them but

they have no right to tell democrats who their party candidate should be.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

13. So much for the democratic in Democratic Party.

We don't register by party in my state and anybody can party caucuses. Works well.

[northernsouthern]

15. They are crazy about that now.

I have never seen a group this adamant about not letting voters vote, they should do part time work for the local RNCs, they are always looking for some help in voter repression.

[workinclasszero]

17. Caucuses are the most unfair primary process of all

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

19. Opinions differ.

There are no facts, only interpretations. Friedrich Nietzsche

I find open caucuses a helluva lot more democratic than closed primaries.

[Trenzalore]

12. I expect Sanders campaign to encourage this

Raise money of another false fraud narrative

[awake]

16. I wonder how many registered Dem. Voters were purged from the voters lists who will vote for Bernie

It seem like I keep hearing about long time Dem. Voters who have said that they want to vote for Bernie have found out (or will find out) that someone reregistered them as "independent". It seem the only way Hillary can win is to rig the vote.

[workinclasszero]

18. Any proof of that?

Or is it all just a story told on the internet?

[awake]

21. It has been post on this site for days

You are welcome to do your own looking.

[COLGATE4]

50. Well that's certainly proof conclusive. Stop the presses -

[awake]

87. Non it is a law suit

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511757972

[awake]

88. It is more than an story

Its a law suit
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511757972

[unc70]

22. The change of registrations could be a problem both parties

For whatever reasons, there appear to be significant problems with party affiliations being changed that are affecting voters on all sides.

There are always a lot of issues from address changes, precinct changes, clerical errors, and voter mistakes. To this outsider, NY doesn't make it easy to resolve such things.

The voters I think most likely to have issues in NY could be for Trump. I don't see any organized protests by Sanders non-voters as being an issue. I think that is mostly a Clinton campaign scare story.

[Sky Masterson]

20. Don't vote ,people

Even if you are legally registered correctly because you might be in line with a person who wants to vote but our partys big tent door is zipped closed.
I wonder if winning is so important to some that they would sell their souls and embrace right wing tactics to win than letting people who want to vote and are registered voters, to vote.
I never thought I would see shit like this here.

[ScreamingMeemie]

23. I don't wonder that anymore...

I know it.

[Sky Masterson]

26. I do too.

'Merica.

[COLGATE4]

51. No one is embracing right wing tactics (but thanks for

the snark). If the person next to you is a REGISTERED DEMOCRAT, then (s)he will be able to vote in the DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY. Anyone who is not - INDEPENDENT, REPUBLICAN, GREEN or Undefined won't. Those people will vote in THEIR party's primary. That's not a particularly difficult idea to understand.

[Sky Masterson]

60. No problem. Anytime you feel the need for snark then come find me.

The right-wing tactics are dropping little bullshit articles like this that pretty much are supposed to make people not want to stand in line because of all of these stupid independent voters didn't swap parties fast enough that I won't feel like standing in line.
Truth be known it's just bullshit political fantasy porn for those who are bored and need something to spam.
I understand why the Hillary supporters are mucho concerned right now. It's because they know Hillary does better with democrats and everyone else doesn't much care for her. So I get your concern/outrage.
MAYBE if I do RANDOM CAPITALIZED WORDS that YOU would UNDERstand ME better.

[COLGATE4]

72. Maybe. Doubtful, but maybe. nt

[KingFlorez]

24. That is likely what the strategy is

If enough Clinton voters can be blocked from the polls by protesters and doors being blocked, Sanders would actually have a chance. The key to him winning is to keep Clinton voters away from the polls.

[workinclasszero]

36. I think that's the plan

We will see in a few days I'm sure.

[geek tragedy]

25. They need to volunteer at a phone bank and not clog up the lines nt

[Vinca]

27. The Democratic Party has become very undemocratic.

Voters had to change their registration last October to vote on Tuesday. Christmas shopping hadn't even started. It works out well for Hillary, though. Suppress the vote to win. It sounds eerily Republican.

[COLGATE4]

52. You mean when they set the rules more than a year ago

and set the deadline for registering for October 2015 they already knew that Hillary would be the candidate? You are clarivoyant after all.

[Vinca]

62. They knew Hillary would be the 2016 candidate in 2008.

That's not clairvoyance, it's fact.

[COLGATE4]

71. I wish I could see the future 8 years out. I'd be a millionaire.

[Vinca]

85. I thought talking politics was verboten for Freemasons.

[COLGATE4]

86. Nope.

[Retrograde]

74. I think the rules about party membership were in place way before that

but my Google-fu isn't strong enough to find the relevant court case (I think from the 60s but can't swear to it) that upheld the long lead time.

[COLGATE4]

78. Don't know either. I suspect you're right.

[Buzz Clik]

28. ... and those voters will be screaming "fraud" and "suppression" until hell freezes over.

[ViseGrip]

33. What about Hillary voters who have been mistakenly switched? "Sanders suppporters"???

[Jitter65]

34. Ineligible voters for Sanders will turn out just to make headlines suggesting voter fraud.

It happened in other states already.

[DrDan]

35. if some are willing to threaten physical harm, then some will not stop at havoc and disruption

[Phlem]

41. Damn Independent Voters.

How dare they screw up the Queen's coronation! They are not worthy!

I know, ya'll can fix it so Independent voters can't vote! You can purge voter rolls, you can close voting establishments, plenty of tricks out their just ask you Republican neighbors.

Fucking pathetic.

[JackRiddler]

46. So could radioactive lizards on the loose.

Any other pure-fiction scenarios from your New York Post?

[COLGATE4]

55. Don't knock radioactive lizards.

I dated one, once.

[agracie]

47. Open primary = problem solved.

[workinclasszero]

61. Get your own party = problem solved

[Kittycat]

65. Pay for it your own primary = problem solved?

Again LOL.

In IL we even have same day voter registration. Again, we had problems, but I always viewed NY as more liberal than us. You all suck. Holy crap!

[randome]

57. Independents seem to think they should be treated as superdelegates and vote in any primary.

They should be treated differently from everyone else.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font][hr]

[Phlem]

63. How very Republican of you.

I thought we were the big tent? It seems to me the *Democratic* has changed.

[randome]

66. I don't get that connection but whatever.

If I could vote in a Republican primary, I'd vote for Ted Cruz, the weakest candidate they have. Actually, it's sort of a toss-up as to whether Trump or Cruz is worse. But since pretty much everyone in Congress hates Cruz, I think that would be the safest route.

But I don't get to vote in Republican primaries and I should not be allowed to unless I want to declare myself a Republican. Which I don't want to do.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font][hr]

[Phlem]

68. Of course not.

[Autumn]

64. Just so we are straight, you guys want us in the GE but want we should fuck off in the Primary?

I think that's ass backwards.

[CorkySt.Clair]

67. The other alternative

Be an informed voter. Are these policies individual states have for voting kept secret?

[Autumn]

70. Nope not a secret, but dems sure do complain their asses off when Independents stay home. nt

[Phlem]

69. Not if you're a Republican.

They play shit like that all the fucking time. What did Trump say, "I don't care about rules." And what did a Hillary supporter tell me the other day, "Whatever it takes".

[bettyellen]

73. I saw people being encouraged to show up even if their party registration was not Dem.

That they should demand provisional ballots. This planned disruption inside the polling place will cause voter disenfranchisement of people who cared enough to sort out their shit on time. Sour grapes.

[RepubliCON-Watch]

77. I'm sure Bullhorn Bill will stop them from showing up.

[Kalidurga]

79. You want closed primaries fine then don't expect everyone in the state to pay for them.

Other than that I dunno what to say to people who hadn't made their minds up 6 months ago before all the debates started, I guess they should have known ahead of time they were gonna like Bernie.

[bkkyosemite]

80. People did not know much about Bernie Sanders last October...Come on it's pathetic.

DWS said the Supers are there to STOP any GRASSROOTS candidates. The party is failing the people.

One person one vote is what people want. All those that want to vote for Bernie are not just Independents. They are people who have never voted before now, because they had no reason to until they learned about Bernie and his stances.

The rules were made last year on purpose to discourage any new voters who would not vote for the ptb's choice Hillary. So they have the rules and they have the Supers as back up. It's disgusting and not fair play. The primaries are rigged.

Every person who wants to vote should be able to vote. Bernie would have won if people had known about him more, including those southern red states. Bernie Sanders is running as a democrat and anyone who wants to vote for him should not be shut out. It should be an open primary and same day registration period! This is disenfranchisement at it's highest point. The rules my ass. Everyone has a right to vote for who they want.

The primary's are to make sure only the elite and the ptb get their choice for the nomination. Fairness is not involved nor is a right to vote.

[Blue_Adept]

83. Post #30 Jury Results

On Sat Apr 16, 2016, 01:48 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

the sanders mob out to commit voter fraud because they arent smart enough to know how to register nt
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1754057

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Calling Sanders supporters a "mob" intending to commit a crime and too stupid? Yes I think this qualifies for hiding. It is an outrage.

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Apr 16, 2016, 01:58 PM, and the Jury voted 5-2 to HIDE IT.

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[TMontoya]

84. So Berniebros

Are going to illegally block polling places because they were either too lazy or too uninformed of their own states primaries?

[morningfog]

89. Go for it, Indys. The nomination process is riddled with problems.

Shutting out would be party supporters is one.