NY exit polls show huge race gap, Sanders only won white men

[workinclasszero]

NY exit polls show huge race gap, Sanders only won white men
4/19/16 9:40pm by John Aravosis

Now that Hillary has won the New York primary, CNN has published its exit polling for the New York primary today, and it’s devastating to Bernie Sanders’ attempt to shake off the perception that he’s the candidate of young white people.

In fact, CNN’s data shows that it is in fact unfair to call Sanders the candidate of white people. He’s the candidate of white men.

Hillary Clinton won every other demographic, including white women, black men, black women and latino women. (CNN didn’t have data for latino men.)

http://americablog.com/2016/04/sanders-exit-polls-new-york-hillary.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Americablog+%28AMERICAblog+News+%29

[msanthrope]

1. Feel the Bern. nt

[pat_k]

2. DNFTEC

Do not feed the energy creature. Ignore. Don't answer.

Can't do it.

Humble in Victory you are not.

[Indydem]

7. Why should we be?

We, and Hillary, have endured months of hatred, insults, lies, and alert stalking from Sanders supporters.

It's time for us to take our party and by extension, this forum, back from the Bernouts.

[pat_k]

14. So, all of us who have refused to join in the...

...candidate bashing are to be forced off DU because we are supporting our candidate through the convention?

I don't know how thrilled Skinner would be with that. It would mean losing quite a few long time star members.

And if you don't understand WHY so many of us are committed to seeing this through until every state has voted, perhaps this will help:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511507143

[B Calm]

23. Fucking nailed it!

[yardwork]

24. Why would anybody be forced off DU?

[pat_k]

33. I was responding to

"It's time for us to take our party and by extension, this forum, back from the bernouts"

[yardwork]

47. The meaning is clear in context and it's not about forcing good people away.

[peace13]

52. 'It's time for us to take our party and by extension, this forum, back from the bernouts"

How can that possibly be interpreted. Bernie supporters are good people. They have a huge concern for the greater good. The fact that Hillary supporters can not see the insult is a big part of the problem. Can you tell me the biggest reason you support Hillary? This is a serious question. I am trying to figure out why I could support her. If you answer me, you will be the first to do so. Thanks in advance.

[yardwork]

59. To answer your first question, I didn't read "bernouts" to mean "Bernie supporters"

There's no question that there are right wing trolls (bernouts) on this website, and I imagine that true Bernie supporters would be as glad as any of us to see them leave.

To answer your second question - I don't view Hillary as the evil demon she is sometimes portrayed here. She is more conservative than I am (as is Obama), but her record is quite progressive in many ways. I agree with many of Bernie's positions - especially his statements about the environment - but I am not persuaded that he would win the GE. I think that Hillary can, and she would be a decent moderate Democratic president.

I especially appreciate the Clintons' skill at getting down ticket Democrats elected. It's essential. The country is suffering terribly from a Republican takeover. We need Democratic Congress people, governors, state legislators.

You should see what the Republicans are doing to my state.

[ohheckyeah]

60. I'm not peace13, but i'm happy to answer that - I think we need a smart president cwith a firm grasp

On the issues. That's Hillary. Bernie couldn't even grasp how he would accomplish his key issue.

[peace13]

61. Thanks! : )

[ohheckyeah]

62. You're welcome.

[brush]

55. I think that comment about taking this forum back was a reference to . . .

how for the last several months just about four out of five posts on the front page of DU were either touting Sanders up the yin yang or bashing Clinton for allegedly being corrupt, being a liar and criminal about to be perp-walked away in cuffs, being a corporatist, warmonger and finally a corporate whore.

It got to be too much. And then of course there was all the alert stalking, the Stockholm Syndrome-like posts, all the hectoring of the Bernie or Bust crowd.

Maybe we can get back to a fair balance here.

[SidDithers]

16. Fucking nailed it...nt

Sid

[cherokeeprogressive]

29. I'm reminded of an old song by the Carpenters...

We've only just begun.

Shit's about to get real.

[yardwork]

19. This isn't about victory. It's about a campaign that has devolved into extreme bullying.

The Sanders campaign started out with high ideals, but has gone badly off the rails due to the behavior of many Sanders supporters and campaign surrogates.

This phenomenon is way beyond DU. Many of us have experienced it.

[stevenleser]

25. And that is the nice way of putting it. Well said. nt

[k8conant]

26. Yes I too wish that Hillary weren't bullying so much.

She's gone off the rails with her lies and deceit.

[pat_k]

32. It's hard to see a negative.

It's hard to see a negative -- to see the ones who refuse to join in the attacks -- but we're out here and we are by far the majority of the Sanders supporters. I strongly believe that.

Just as I believe that the noisy, relentless, Bernie bashers I encounter here represent a small minority of Clinton's supporters.

What you are talking about aren't Sanders supporters. They are Energy Creatures, or ECs. They sap the hope and confidence we need to bring about change of any kind. They take up time. They suck the life out of things. There is no reasoning because there is no dialog. ECs don't post calls to action. They complain, namecall, and attack.

There have always been ECs on DU. Some of the names are familiar. I've seen them trolling around since I joined back in 2004. In the context of the primary, they appear as Hillary opponents and Bernie opponents. Instead of being driven by any positive feelings or actions their own candidate might inspire in them, their posting is driven by contempt for "the other guy's candidate." And that contempt is usually expressed as contempt for "the other guy" too.

If you find yourself doing this, you may be becoming an EC yourself. All I can suggest is to resist.

[yardwork]

48. I've been bullied in real life by drunken ranting Bernie supporters.

I've seen civil rights heroes and heroines attacked by Sanders campaign surrogates behaving as privileged bullying twits.

On DU today there is an OP complaining that women and minorities are allowed to vote!

I'm old. I've been around a while. This is not normal primary behavior.

[leftynyc]

37. I blame that slug weaver

He's led Bernie down a very scuzzy path.

[COLGATE4]

27. Bad cat! Bad cat!

But funny as hell.

[Eric J in MN]

3. VT exit polls show 83% of women support Bernie Sanders (according to that logic)

Is generalizing from Bernie Sanders' home state fair? No.

Is generalizing from Hillary Clinton's home state fair? No.

[workinclasszero]

4. You think New York is the only place showing Bernie appeals mainly

to white, younger males?

OK

[Eric J in MN]

10. Do you think VT is the only state where Bernie Sanders won the female vote?

Wisconsin women:
Sanders: 50%
Clinton: 49%

[baldguy]

6. Except that NY looks like the rest of America. VT doesn't.

[workinclasszero]

8. Bingo

[Eric J in MN]

11. In the diverse state of NY

...the majority of people under 30 voted for Bernie Sanders.

NY age 18-29
Clinton: 35%
Sanders: 65%

[Sancho]

15. Young people don't vote

[baldguy]

17. And that's 8% of registered voters.

And 18-29's have the lowest voter turnout of any age group.

[workinclasszero]

18. They ....NEVER...get that part!

[k8conant]

30. NY is definitely NOT like the rest of America (at least NYC)

There are many of us who are willing to allow them a place in America, but they're definitely not like the rest of America.

[bettyellen]

65. NY State is a mixed bag much like the rest of the Dems in America..... the Republicans

cut into Bernie's base, not the Dem base.

[seabeyond]

36. Sander won women vote in three out of how many states? Vt, NH and Wi.

[Eric J in MN]

58. Some states didn't have Exit Polls.

Sanders won the WA Caucus with 72.7%, and so he probably got the majority of women's vote, but there are no Exit Polls to cite.

[IamMab]

51. Bernie supporters have been arguing that NY is HIS home state, not hers.

You can't have it both ways.

[baldguy]

5. Trump won by attracting mostly white men, too.

I wonder f there's a connection there....

[workinclasszero]

9. Yes Trump and Sanders both play to the angry white male vote

They see their privilege/status slipping away and they are pissed off about it.

[yardwork]

21. That's why Sanders does slightly better against Trump.

When your candidate is more appealing to Trump supporters, you have to ask yourself how progressive the message really is.

[workinclasszero]

22. This fall will prove once again that you CANNOT win the presidency on the strength of the white male

vote alone anymore!

Hillary will hand Trump his ass on a platter in the GE with AA's, Latino's, Asian folks and women behind her!

Maybe...just maybe, the white male power structure will once and for all get the damn picture this time!

[seabeyond]

35. Yup, feed off the anger and resentments. Nt

[LexVegas]

12. Anyone surprised? nt

[Sancho]

13. Archie Bunker loves Bernie

[B Calm]

20. I guess that black man I saw on MSNBC yesterday who said he voted for Bernie

was a fluke.

[COLGATE4]

31. So it would seem. nt

[Thinkingabout]

28. Hillary is strongly supported by women and minorities, the last two groups to get

The right to vote. YES!!

[k8conant]

39. How dare you put them down for having

been the last to get the right to vote?

[Thinkingabout]

40. Putting them down, totally opposite, this is a historical fact. A put down was

Negating the southern states, putting down on choices made in southern states.

[k8conant]

41. Oh I defend their right to be wrong in the South.

Heck, I'm in the South also (in West Virginia).

[Thinkingabout]

42. Who is putting down who?

[k8conant]

43. I said they have a right to be wrong...

just as I have the right to be correct.

[Thinkingabout]

44. They are not wrong.

[k8conant]

45. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

[peace13]

53. Yet she doesn't speak out to make certain the elections are fair.

Go figure. Hate to say this but even cats, puppies and cows can vote if the outcome is predetermined. I'm from Ohio the home of stolen elections. When irregularities are found all candidates should speak out. Here the observer is deemed a cry baby. If your candidate is in the GE please don't speak out when the inventors of the manipulated vote do it to you! It stinks and has devastating results.

[seabeyond]

34. Yup. Nt

[SwampG8r]

38. You need to stop this

Do yiu think people will vote for.a.campaign that calls almost half of the party racist?
This is why i wont be able to pinch my nose tight enough to vote for her.

[gollygee]

46. It isn't calling anyone racist

Why do people think pointing out differences in what groups vote for whom is calling someone racist? That's ridiculous.

[SwampG8r]

49. Well then explain to me what was the implication?

[gollygee]

50. That women and minorities vote more often for Hillary

And the only group that overall prefers Bernie is white men. Now, I am a white woman who voted for Bernie, so I obviously know it's a generalization, but it's an accurate generalization.

Pointing out the truth about voting trends is not calling anyone racist. Bernie lost NY because, as many people predicted, he wasn't connecting with woman and, particularly, voters of color as much as he needed to. He isn't racist, and I don't imagine at least most of his supporters are racist. But the voting trends tell a story. I think it's very clear that Bernie would have won the nomination if he'd moved away from his belief that fixing economic inequity would fix racism. If he would have regularly and specifically said that racism needs to be attacked jointly with and separately from economic issues, he would have won the whole country. I see that as his only real weakness. I was with him on everything else.

[snooper2]

54. Actually just saw on CNN 50/50 for white men

just FYI

[TheDormouse]

56. Sanders also tied among white women nt

[TheDormouse]

57. How come no Latino men? How valid is this survey? nt

[Cheese Sandwich]

63. "Sanders only won white men." All you people of color who voted for Sanders, you don't exist.

Fucking invisible non-existing people.

[whatchamacallit]

64. Are all white men subhuman shit

or just the ones who support Bernie?

[Number23]

66. The clear, unadulterated PANIC that information like this brings out in certain people here

is absolutely delicious.