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Bernie's Revolution Has No Future

Bernie's Revolution Has No Future
Bernie Sanders believes his young supporters will bring a political revolution. Just one problem: Young people don't vote.
By John Stoehr | Contributor
April 29, 2016, at 12:30 p.m

Sen. Bernie Sanders is said to be the future of the Democratic Party. Not because he is beating Hillary Clinton he isn't but because his unvarnished populist appeal has inspired the next generation of liberal Democrats.

That theory has three problems. First, the Democratic Party was already growing more liberal. Two wars, a worldwide financial panic and a radicalized Republican Party did more to revitalize liberalism than Sanders did. Second, Sanders performed better with independents than Democrats.

Third and most important: A vast majority of young people didn't vote.

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2016-04-29/the-real-political-revolution-would-be-getting-young-people-to-vote

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Reply Bernie's Revolution Has No Future (Original post)
workinclasszero Apr 2016 OP
bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #1
silvershadow Apr 2016 #14
Baobab Apr 2016 #24
Armstead Apr 2016 #21
bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #39
Jitter65 Apr 2016 #46
grasswire Apr 2016 #2
HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #3
byyiminy Apr 2016 #4
SFnomad Apr 2016 #12
ViseGrip Apr 2016 #5
pat_k Apr 2016 #6
bl968 Apr 2016 #7
CrispyQ May 2016 #61
mmonk Apr 2016 #8
pat_k Apr 2016 #10
mmonk Apr 2016 #43
Jitter65 Apr 2016 #47
pat_k Apr 2016 #15
rock Apr 2016 #9
Eric J in MN Apr 2016 #22
annavictorious Apr 2016 #29
TCJ70 Apr 2016 #30
CorkySt.Clair Apr 2016 #31
uponit7771 Apr 2016 #35
Eric J in MN Apr 2016 #38
uponit7771 Apr 2016 #58
Eric J in MN May 2016 #60
uponit7771 May 2016 #66
-none Apr 2016 #32
rock Apr 2016 #34
rock May 2016 #64
CrispyQ May 2016 #63
passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #11
SFnomad Apr 2016 #13
workinclasszero Apr 2016 #16
passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #18
-none Apr 2016 #33
redstateblues Apr 2016 #42
-none Apr 2016 #59
Eric J in MN Apr 2016 #41
pat_k Apr 2016 #17
LineReply .
mmonk Apr 2016 #19
MsFlorida Apr 2016 #53
Eric J in MN Apr 2016 #20
workinclasszero Apr 2016 #25
Eric J in MN Apr 2016 #26
islandmkl Apr 2016 #23
Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #27
Smickey Apr 2016 #28
redstateblues Apr 2016 #45
Smickey May 2016 #69
snowy owl Apr 2016 #36
Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #37
redstateblues Apr 2016 #48
Doctor_J Apr 2016 #40
R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2016 #44
redstateblues Apr 2016 #49
R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2016 #57
LWolf Apr 2016 #50
rateyes Apr 2016 #51
redstateblues Apr 2016 #56
Democratic Divo Apr 2016 #52
KPN Apr 2016 #54
MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #55
CrispyQ May 2016 #62
whatchamacallit May 2016 #65
basselope May 2016 #67
Jamaal510 May 2016 #68
Orsino May 2016 #70

Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 03:47 PM

1. I'm 70 ....it is getting soooooo tiresome......

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Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #1)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:05 PM

14. Stop it! You're dispelling the myth. nt

 

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Response to silvershadow (Reply #14)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:57 PM

24. Nostalgia for the old folks

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Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #1)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:43 PM

21. Get your nose out of the iphone and stop listening to Beyonce

 

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Response to Armstead (Reply #21)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 06:04 PM

39. Get your nose out of you iphone I don't own one LOL

Oh well wrong reply but let it stand lol

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Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #1)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 06:41 PM

46. I'm 74 and this is on point! nt

 

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 03:48 PM

2. NO WE CAN'T!!!

I say tell it to the tens of thousands of eager and excited people still coming to his rallies.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 03:48 PM

3. Then why you so worried?

 

These posts make me think Camp Weathervane is in an utter state of panic.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 03:50 PM

4. I see you're continuing to win the hearts and the minds...

 

of no-one.

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Response to byyiminy (Reply #4)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:02 PM

12. They have to have a heart and a mind to being with before we can win them over n/t

 

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 03:54 PM

5. Wow! Such great messaging!

 

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 03:54 PM

6. "It does not take a majority to prevail ..."

"It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men."
-- Samuel Adams


The campaign has inspired many to get involved -- or renew their commitment. These people won't just vote. They want to turn complaint into action.

A post that contains some thoughts about how to enable some of those newly engaged/reengaged people to become effective advocates of change:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=188164.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 03:54 PM

7. Progressive ideals

I was a reliably democratic voter for many years. Now I am a progressive voter.

The Democratic Party will promote progressive ideals and put forth progressive candidates or I and many others will no longer vote for them. It's that simple. I will not vote for the lesser of two evils; thus the two party stranglehold has been broken. Evil is still evil, even when it has a (D) next to their name.

DINO's, Conservatives, Corporatists, and Blue Dog democrat candidates including Hillary Clinton will not get my vote. You don't think anyone really bought that "I am a progressive who likes to get things done" shtick, her record speaks for its self.

So the Democratic Party must begin to put forth real progressive candidates, or get ready for a ton of losses starting with this election. That's the legacy of Bernie Sanders.

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Response to bl968 (Reply #7)

Sun May 1, 2016, 10:38 AM

61. Every time I vote for the lesser of two evils, the party shifts further to the right.

They've been doing this for 30 years.



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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 03:56 PM

8. Becoming a banana republic with a war machine for the rich is no future.

Put a bullet through my brain now.

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Response to mmonk (Reply #8)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:00 PM

10. Perhaps some hope in possibilities for...

... effecting change going forward, with or without Bernie as the torch bearer. A post in another thread that contains some thoughts on the subject.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=188164

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Response to pat_k (Reply #10)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 06:29 PM

43. The op declared we are not the future.

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Response to mmonk (Reply #43)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 06:43 PM

47. It's not the future I am concerned about. It's the present. In the future we will all be dead.

 

We live in the present. The BS about the future is just a way to not deal with the reality of right now.

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Response to mmonk (Reply #8)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:07 PM

15. And an event next month that sounds worthwhile:

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 03:59 PM

9. Do you notice how ironic Bernie's slogans are?

"A future we can believe in" and "Feel the bern!" are particularly painful now that he's lost! I have no sympathy. Shame on me. Incidentally, good article!

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Response to rock (Reply #9)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:45 PM

22. I notice how Hilllary Clinton needs a slogan of 'Fighting for Us'

...while Bernie Sanders doesn't, because we know he is.

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Response to Eric J in MN (Reply #22)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 05:25 PM

29. The only person Bernie Sanders ever really fought for

 

is Bernie Sanders.

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Response to annavictorious (Reply #29)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 05:30 PM

30. You really believe that?

The guy with the lowest net worth in the entire congress has only ever fought for himself? Incredible...

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Response to TCJ70 (Reply #30)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 05:34 PM

31. You don't need to be rich to have a giant ego

 

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Response to TCJ70 (Reply #30)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 05:46 PM

35. Didn't Sanders say "We'll see" when it came to supporting down ballot dems? those are his words

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #35)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 06:04 PM

38. There are various ways Sanders could help in the Fall.

He could go around giving pro-Clinton speeches.

He could go around giving anti-Trump speeches.

He could go around giving speeches for down ballot Democrats.

It's fine that he's focused now on winning delegates and doesn't know what he'll do in the Fall.

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Response to Eric J in MN (Reply #38)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 09:47 PM

58. True, how many ways he can help isnt relative to the point he said "We'll see" in regards to doin so

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #58)

Sun May 1, 2016, 12:47 AM

60. If Sanders does nothing for Democrats

...in the Fall then he'll deserve criticism.

But he said "I'll see" because this is the Spring and he reasonably doesn't know his role for the Fall yet.

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Response to Eric J in MN (Reply #60)

Sun May 1, 2016, 09:50 PM

66. Either way he has to help, whether he won or lost... the "we'll see" was not his finest moment and

... only strengthened the notion that he's in this for himself

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Response to annavictorious (Reply #29)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 05:36 PM

32. Sorry, you are thinking of Hillary.

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Response to annavictorious (Reply #29)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 05:41 PM

34. Welcome to DU

Hope you stay a while.

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Response to Eric J in MN (Reply #22)

Sun May 1, 2016, 10:54 AM

64. I notice several BSers

Using the poster of Bernie with the slogan, "Bernie is not an asshole". Why is that?

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Response to rock (Reply #9)

Sun May 1, 2016, 10:51 AM

63. I think the right pointing red arrow is what's gonna be ironic if HRC becomes president.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:00 PM

11. Then this country has no future. n/t

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Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #11)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:03 PM

13. Another "No We Can't" chant from a BS cheerleader

 

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Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #11)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:08 PM

16. Apparently most young voters aren't feelin the Bern

 

It is what it is

President Obama had far more of the 18 to 29 vote than Bernie.

Unfortunately they didn't show up in the mid terms and the republicans came right back to screw the country.

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #16)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:13 PM

18. Your post doesn't change what I said one bit.

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #16)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 05:40 PM

33. First it was us old people that aren't feelin the Bern, and when that didn't work out, it is now the

young people. What age group is next, 'cause that ain't really panning out either?

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Response to -none (Reply #33)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 06:28 PM

42. I'm an old person that is Berned Out. I'll be glad when Bernie

Realizes he's done and starts helping the Democratic Party

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Response to redstateblues (Reply #42)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 10:28 PM

59. I don't want war, I don't want my Social Security messed with, I want my vote to count...

Bernie is for the people, always has been. Hillary is for Goldman Sachs and Wall Street.
Are you rich enough to benefit from Hillary's 1%. I'm not.

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #16)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 06:13 PM

41. In what state? NT

NT

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Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #11)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:12 PM

17. Unless those people the campaign inspired to...

... act to effect change commit to working for change, with or without Bernie as the torch bearer.

"It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men."
-- Samuel Adams


A post from another thread the contains some thoughts about how some of those people might become effective agents of change:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=188164

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:26 PM

19. .

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Response to mmonk (Reply #19)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 08:51 PM

53. Yes, they are starting to sing!

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:41 PM

20. Meaningless article. Not one real prediction.

He doesn't say that the 2024 nominee will be more liberal, more conservative, or the same as Hillary Clinton.

He doesn't say that the 2024 nominee will support some-or-none of Bernie Sanders' proposals.

He just gives us blather about young people not voting.

// Enough young people voted to help Sanders to win 17 states and counting. The next candidate who supports Sanders' proposals may do better.

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Response to Eric J in MN (Reply #20)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 05:05 PM

25. That blather as you call it is reality, the young don't vote

 

hardly ever.

They did in large numbers for Obama's first run then went back to sleep. Bernie didn't wake them up, thats a fact. I guess the Sanders camp is against reality and facts now.

Not surprised.

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #25)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 05:07 PM

26. Enough young people voted to help Obama become a two-term president. NT

NT

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:53 PM

23. sounds like another shill who sets the standard for a 10-month-old campaign at

total electoral turnout...when young people of any decade have always had low voter turnout...

hey genius...did all the older voters somehow skip their youth...or did they become more involved, at least in terms of voting, as they got older?

these young people will be a growing force as they age...and i have a feeling they will not be waiting to see how it works out this year...

'New Dems' better enjoy these last vestiges of uncontested control of the Party...there are some new kids coming up behind them...and they are right in the 'New Dems' face and being dismissed...

should be an interesting next couple of years...

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 05:19 PM

27. Sanders personal failure to win the nomination doesn't end a revolution.

The expected surge of young voters that did not show up at the polls and his placement as a distant second in the nomination for the Democratic candidate indicates more that the revolution just didn't get off the ground.

The leftward move of the Democratic Party, and the nation as a whole symbolized by the expanded individual freedoms to marry and the first ever creation of some type of national healthcare system happened before his campaign, so they don't really count as part of his revolution.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 05:21 PM

28. Young people don't

follow a set of rational arguments, they will follow someone they trust.

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Response to Smickey (Reply #28)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 06:40 PM

45. How can anyone trust someone that makes promises he knows he can't keep?

Bernie came up with a brilliant scheme- targeting a gullible segment of the electorate with poll tested promises that he knew he couldn't deliver on.

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Response to redstateblues (Reply #45)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:31 PM

69. I have not seen

any evidence of what you wrote. I caucused in my state and listened to the young folks talk about their lives and how Bernie gives them some hope for the future. I do not kid myself that Bernie is some completely altruistic man, of course he is a politician our system is such that one must be, but he has a proven track record of giving a shit about "we the people". Young people see this and feel like they have someone who is thinking about them and their futures. Gullible, well maybe. Smart absolutely. IMHO

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 05:47 PM

36. Opinions on Bernie are a dime a dozen. We don't care what you think. Fighting for change the mission

No population is predictable. Some care and some don't. Why try to analyze what all of any population/demographic will do?

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 05:51 PM

37. Hillary can't even remember the past, much less help make a better future:

 



Her supporters are Reagan Democrats and other conservative types, DOMA-crats who I've spent a lifetime battling just as I battle the Republicans, it's the same battle.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #37)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 06:46 PM

48. BSS favorite ad hom- calling Loyal Democrats Republican. What a pant load.

FYI Hillary was one of the most liberal Senators in Congress. You obviously haven't been paying attention to politics very long

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 06:06 PM

40. And a Hillarian says this gleefully.

 

You people are really disgusting

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 06:35 PM

44. I have voted in every single election since I was old enough.

 


Everybody that I know has been the same.


Perhaps that jewel of infirmation about the young not voting is BS.

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #44)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 06:49 PM

49. The numbers don't agree with you. The youth vote is notoriously unreliable.

Everybody I knew at the time voted for McGovern. How is it possible that he didn't win?

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Response to redstateblues (Reply #49)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 09:29 PM

57. I can't speak to that. I can only tell you what I know to be true.

 

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 08:22 PM

50. Irony.

The irony embedded in your username and what you choose to post and support is strong.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 08:30 PM

51. This post is utter bullshit.. newsflash..old people die

and young people become old people. The revolution is coming, and Hillary is the third ways last gap. I predict that if Hillary does win, but doesnt govern as a true progressive, she will be a one termer, and will lose a primary election in four years.

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Response to rateyes (Reply #51)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 09:28 PM

56. We'll see if it's a revolution if Bernie can get his followers out in the mid terms

To take back Congress. I have my doubts.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 08:50 PM

52. It had no past either. n/t

 

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 08:52 PM

54. So you don't want to see

a $15 minimum wage?
free public college for 4-5 years?
universal health care?

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 08:54 PM

55. Aww....

You trying to imagine apathy again? I don't care about that.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 10:47 AM

62. Then America has no future.

The country/world is being hollowed out by the 1%. The playing field is skewed more every day. Poverty rates are climbing, not decreasing. Climate change is accelerating faster than all the models & all we do is sign stupid agreements to reduce emissions by 2030. We're so fucked.



Above is the largest calving event to be captured on film. The actual event took 90 minutes. Go to 1:50 & see the whale jump out of the water.

I think the revolution is too late, but I'm still all in.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 11:15 AM

65. I've always found your handle suspect

considering the nature of your posts.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 09:52 PM

67. You do realize this analysis tells you Hillary can't win, right?

 

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 11:49 PM

68. It's too bad

that more people around my age don't vote, regardless of their political affiliation. I wish that public schools would make classes on government and civics a higher priority than they are. There are far too many people who will complain about nothing going right in D.C. and/or not feeling represented, but they refuse to get politically-active for every election. Politics is what shapes the country and the world.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:25 PM

70. The Establishment, whistling in the dark. n/t

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