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Tue May 17, 2016, 03:52 PM

My plea that everyone vote for the Dem nominee in Nov.

I'm a white guy with terminal Cystic Fibrosis, my low lung function prevents me from working more than around three hours a day. I rely on disability and expanded Medicaid from the ACA. I don't have the privilege of sitting at home or being a "Bernie or Bust" person. For me it's literally a matter of life and death. I may very well not survive if Trump were to win and precede to gut the ACA.

So any Bernie supporters who are planning to not vote for Hillary Clinton in the General Election, remember this: Many minorities, women, disabled, and/or poor may not survive a Trump presidency. I'm begging you to please reconsider and be empathetic to us.

Thanks for reading.

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Reply My plea that everyone vote for the Dem nominee in Nov. (Original post)
Turin_C3PO May 2016 OP
MFM008 May 2016 #1
Sheepshank May 2016 #18
CorporatistNation May 2016 #45
scottie55 May 2016 #70
yourout May 2016 #2
Starry Messenger May 2016 #3
AgerolanAmerican May 2016 #4
MirrorAshes May 2016 #46
artislife May 2016 #50
MirrorAshes May 2016 #62
Merryland May 2016 #5
Turin_C3PO May 2016 #6
auntpurl May 2016 #12
DrewFlorida May 2016 #7
auntpurl May 2016 #13
Splinter Cell May 2016 #8
lunamagica May 2016 #9
SunSeeker May 2016 #16
Surya Gayatri May 2016 #33
yardwork May 2016 #40
TwilightZone May 2016 #44
Splinter Cell May 2016 #47
synergie May 2016 #77
yeoman6987 May 2016 #60
Name removed May 2016 #103
NobodyHere May 2016 #10
Post removed May 2016 #11
AtomicKitten May 2016 #23
synergie May 2016 #69
QC May 2016 #72
Post removed May 2016 #79
Surya Gayatri May 2016 #105
MrMickeysMom May 2016 #106
Cary May 2016 #108
QC May 2016 #112
Cary May 2016 #114
QC May 2016 #115
Cary May 2016 #116
QC May 2016 #117
Cary May 2016 #118
Cary May 2016 #119
QC May 2016 #120
Cary May 2016 #121
QC May 2016 #113
MrMickeysMom May 2016 #123
SunSeeker May 2016 #14
Sheepshank May 2016 #15
auntpurl May 2016 #19
Sheepshank May 2016 #21
Surya Gayatri May 2016 #35
still_one May 2016 #61
yardwork May 2016 #41
auntpurl May 2016 #17
Txbluedog May 2016 #20
artislife May 2016 #51
GulfCoast66 May 2016 #57
artislife May 2016 #59
GulfCoast66 May 2016 #65
scottie55 May 2016 #67
BzaDem May 2016 #80
QC May 2016 #75
synergie May 2016 #82
rdking647 May 2016 #22
B Calm May 2016 #24
Txbluedog May 2016 #25
B Calm May 2016 #26
Txbluedog May 2016 #30
B Calm May 2016 #31
metroins May 2016 #56
wisteria May 2016 #27
SheilaT May 2016 #28
VOX May 2016 #29
Surya Gayatri May 2016 #32
Turin_C3PO May 2016 #34
Surya Gayatri May 2016 #36
99Forever May 2016 #37
Turin_C3PO May 2016 #38
sheshe2 May 2016 #39
yardwork May 2016 #42
Tarc May 2016 #43
artislife May 2016 #48
BzaDem May 2016 #68
artislife May 2016 #81
BzaDem May 2016 #88
artislife May 2016 #96
BzaDem May 2016 #98
artislife May 2016 #99
BzaDem May 2016 #100
blm May 2016 #110
liberal_at_heart May 2016 #49
artislife May 2016 #53
PowerToThePeople May 2016 #52
BzaDem May 2016 #73
still_one May 2016 #54
Mz Pip May 2016 #55
MirrorAshes May 2016 #64
kevinmc May 2016 #58
MisterP May 2016 #63
MirrorAshes May 2016 #66
BzaDem May 2016 #74
synergie May 2016 #71
riderinthestorm May 2016 #76
BzaDem May 2016 #86
Turin_C3PO May 2016 #87
blm May 2016 #124
slipslidingaway May 2016 #78
seekthetruth May 2016 #83
Turin_C3PO May 2016 #90
seekthetruth May 2016 #93
Turin_C3PO May 2016 #95
seekthetruth May 2016 #109
seekthetruth May 2016 #84
Turin_C3PO May 2016 #91
seekthetruth May 2016 #85
He loved Big Brother May 2016 #89
jillan May 2016 #92
Turin_C3PO May 2016 #97
Contrary1 May 2016 #94
silvershadow May 2016 #101
Turin_C3PO May 2016 #102
antigop May 2016 #104
Loki May 2016 #107
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Response to Turin_C3PO (Original post)

Tue May 17, 2016, 03:55 PM

1. I am

best of luck to you.

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Response to MFM008 (Reply #1)

Tue May 17, 2016, 05:03 PM

18. Right there with you and OP

 

going to vote Dem

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Response to MFM008 (Reply #1)

Tue May 17, 2016, 11:22 PM

45. Good Luck As Well.. If The Untoward Happens You Know Where To Place The Blame... DNC/HRC/DWS

Wait and see...

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Response to CorporatistNation (Reply #45)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:05 AM

70. With The 3rd Way In Charge, Our Party Is Dead

 

The 1% won't be able to prop up the corporate Dems much longer.

Their time for this world is almost up.

Long live the new Democratic Party, that doesn't sell out to Wall Street Money any more.

Millions of us have had enough of being screwed every which way to Sunday while the filthy rich get richer destroying our planet, and our children's future.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Original post)

Tue May 17, 2016, 03:56 PM

2. I won't vote for Trump but I won't vote for a cheater.. either

Either.

And no amount of cajoling will get me to.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Original post)

Tue May 17, 2016, 04:02 PM

3. (((hugs)))

We've got your back.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Original post)

Tue May 17, 2016, 04:03 PM

4. Sorry but no

 

I feel for you and wish you the best of health.

That said, I can't condemn millions of innocents to die on your behalf, as I know with 100% certainty would be the case if Clinton is elected.

Pray for another option so we're not forced to make this choice.

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Response to AgerolanAmerican (Reply #4)

Tue May 17, 2016, 11:25 PM

46. Cool story, Nostradamus.

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Response to artislife (Reply #50)

Wed May 18, 2016, 12:38 AM

62. Sad is choosing this thread in particular to push your BS

Have you no shame?

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Original post)

Tue May 17, 2016, 04:04 PM

5. And what about Hillary supporters who won't vote for Bernie?

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Response to Merryland (Reply #5)

Tue May 17, 2016, 04:10 PM

6. Same thing.

They should vote for Bernie in that case.

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Response to Merryland (Reply #5)

Tue May 17, 2016, 04:56 PM

12. I have seen an infinitesimal number of such.

Whereas I see craploads of Bernie or Busters on DU. (Although I think they are still a tiny minority in the real world.)

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Original post)

Tue May 17, 2016, 04:15 PM

7. I am a strong supporter of Bernie Sanders, but I will fully support Hilary if she is the nominee!

We have too much to lose if we don't have a Democratic President win the next election.
I am absolutely bewildered that some would have a childlike temper tantrum if they don't get the candidate of their choice, and would help Trump become President by not voting!

Don't misunderstand me, I am not happy about the unfair and dishonest behavior of the DNC, Debbie WS and many others in the Democratic party.

However I would never let that get in the way of what is at stake with this election, the Supreme Court and all of the efforts by Republicans to "Make America Hate Again".

The very thought that someone that calls themselves Progressive and or Liberal would sit by and not vote, allowing the possibility that Trump or any other disgusting Republican be elected is hypocritical at best, I would call it childish and disgusting.

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Response to DrewFlorida (Reply #7)

Tue May 17, 2016, 04:57 PM

13. +1

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Original post)

Tue May 17, 2016, 04:22 PM

8. I will....unless it's Clinton

Otherwise, nothing but down-ticket.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Original post)

Tue May 17, 2016, 04:48 PM

9. I can't believe the cruelty of some these replies. That's what privilege looks like

Hang in there. DU is nothing like the real world. Most Sanders supporters are reasonable people who will keep Trump away from The WH.

Those replying in this thread that they won't vote for her? OK, She'll win without them.

I have faith that Hillary will win.

I wish the best for you

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #9)

Tue May 17, 2016, 05:01 PM

16. ^^^THIS^^^

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #9)

Tue May 17, 2016, 06:20 PM

33. Well said, lunamagica. Indeed, she'll win without them.

 

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #9)

Tue May 17, 2016, 08:05 PM

40. Good post, and good points.

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #9)

Tue May 17, 2016, 11:20 PM

44. Agreed. DU isn't representative of the real world. Never has been.

There's little doubt that the loud and vocal minority doesn't represent average Sanders supporters or the voting public. In the end, I think most Democrats, liberals, progressives, the majority of independents, and a not-insignificant number of Republicans will ponder the idea of President Donald Trump and act appropriately.

And, if not, nothing much we can do about it. As you said, we'll have to win without them. Work with what we have toward getting a Democrat in the White House and Democrats in Congress who can send her a more progressive agenda.

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #9)

Wed May 18, 2016, 12:05 AM

47. Reality is fuckin' cruel.

Maybe if more of us got off our ass and worked for change, instead of placing our lips on the ass of choice for the establishment, things would get better. It's up to you. Voting for Hillary is voting for "privilege". Period.

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Response to Splinter Cell (Reply #47)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:19 AM

77. Is that why Bernie and his supporters are so very afraid of it?

 

Sorry, but if think you have the freedom to vote other than Blue no matter what this fall, it's because you suffer from a surfeit of privilege, and don't fear the reality that the misogynistic, racist, religionist mobs will truly harm you.

In short you suffer from healthy white male privilege, the rest of us are not as lucky as you, and your vote for Trump will be reviled as the crime it is.

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #9)

Wed May 18, 2016, 12:32 AM

60. I understand what you are saying and I will vote for whomever it is

 

However, I don't have the faith that you do that college kids are going to vote for Clinton like they did Obama. I just don't think that will happen. Hopefully we have enough to overcome that.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Original post)

Tue May 17, 2016, 04:49 PM

10. I'll be voting Democrat

 

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Tue May 17, 2016, 05:08 PM

23. +1

 

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Response to AtomicKitten (Reply #23)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:04 AM

69. What's worse than someone who lacks the basic humanity to post soemthing so vile is someone

 

who +1's such disgusting sentiments. Have you people no decency?

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Response to synergie (Reply #69)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:15 AM

72. Poster with 9 hides is deeply offended by incivility!

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Wed May 18, 2016, 04:56 AM

105. ^^^AMEN to this!^^^

 

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Response to QC (Reply #72)

Wed May 18, 2016, 05:12 AM

106. Make that 10...

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Response to MrMickeysMom (Reply #106)

Wed May 18, 2016, 07:56 AM

108. You are aware that Skinner declared the jury system to be a failure?

And has signed its death warrant?

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Response to Cary (Reply #108)

Wed May 18, 2016, 05:27 PM

112. Are you the same Cary that got banned a few years ago? n/t

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Response to QC (Reply #112)

Wed May 18, 2016, 06:04 PM

114. What's your point in asking?

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Response to Cary (Reply #114)

Wed May 18, 2016, 06:15 PM

115. Just wondering, since you act just like that Cary.

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Response to QC (Reply #115)

Wed May 18, 2016, 06:18 PM

116. In other words you want to be nasty

Why do you want to be nasty? What's so great about being nasty?

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Response to Cary (Reply #116)

Wed May 18, 2016, 06:19 PM

117. Yep, you're him. I thought so.

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Response to QC (Reply #117)

Wed May 18, 2016, 06:20 PM

118. Can you answer the question?

Why do you want to be nasty?

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Response to QC (Reply #117)

Wed May 18, 2016, 06:23 PM

119. And what did I ever do to you?

Nothing, of course.

So what's so great about being nasty?

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Response to Cary (Reply #119)

Wed May 18, 2016, 06:29 PM

120. I don't know. Why are you back to insulting people

after getting a second chance here? What is the appeal of attacking people?

It's something to think about.

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Response to QC (Reply #120)

Wed May 18, 2016, 06:34 PM

121. Who made you the judge of anything?

A second chance at what?

Again, what did I ever do to you and why are you being nasty?

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Response to MrMickeysMom (Reply #106)

Wed May 18, 2016, 05:29 PM

113. Flagged for Review again. GODDAM BERNIEBROS!!!

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Response to QC (Reply #113)

Thu May 19, 2016, 05:38 AM

123. By Golly!!!

Gee... We don't even want them to get off our lawn! Just quit pissing on it!!!

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Original post)

Tue May 17, 2016, 04:58 PM

14. K & R

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Original post)

Tue May 17, 2016, 05:00 PM

15. wow...some cold hearted, privileged, self absorbed, entitled basterds on this thread.

 

you couldn't just shut your mouths, walk away from this thread and keep your petty, selfish, delusional ideals to yourself. You tell someone your are sorry but it's too damn bad you won't do everything in your power to ensure Trump is not the next POTUS? wow.

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #15)

Tue May 17, 2016, 05:03 PM

19. Yeah.

I was quite shocked by that, although I suppose that's my own naivete since this election cycle has been utterly bizarre and awful.

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Response to auntpurl (Reply #19)

Tue May 17, 2016, 05:07 PM

21. There is a time and place for such statements. This wasn't the place

 

so many on this thread have absolutely no sense of boundaries or decency.

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #21)

Tue May 17, 2016, 06:23 PM

35. They sound exactly like spoiled, self-centered adolescents--no matter how old they may be in years.

 

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #21)

Wed May 18, 2016, 12:37 AM

61. That was as cruel as I have seen it here. I am glad it was hidden, but I really hope

that person apologizes to the OP for the heartless remark made

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #15)

Tue May 17, 2016, 08:08 PM

41. Yep.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Original post)

Tue May 17, 2016, 05:02 PM

17. I will, and I will dedicate my vote to you and everyone who needs the ACA

I am a strong Hillary supporter and have no love for Bernie, but I will vote for him with joy in my heart if by some miracle he becomes the nominee. The alternative is too repugnant to contemplate, and also, I am a true Democrat. Have voted Democratic in every election since I turned 18. I will stop voting Democratic when they put me in a hole in the ground.

Sorry for your health troubles.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Original post)

Tue May 17, 2016, 05:05 PM

20. I am so sorry to hear about your diagnosis

 

We all engage these people but realize that the dems are nowhere as fractured as in DU. Sanders has spent millions on revolution messaging and some of these so called sanders supporters are nothing but paid shills---once Sanders leaves the race watch as his "supporters" drop like flies

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Response to artislife (Reply #51)

Wed May 18, 2016, 12:26 AM

57. Must suck to work so hard

For a loser. No matter who wins, Hillary or Trump, in 12 months Bernie will be a joke/slander.

Unless of course he and his supporters join with the Democratic Party they claim to belong.

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Response to artislife (Reply #59)

Wed May 18, 2016, 12:48 AM

65. Thank you

I had hoped that the radical Bernie supporters were just that, the fringe of the party. You just confirmed it for me.

And your last comment about your future being longer than mine makes me wonder. Are you referring to our respective ages? If so, did you ever get a trophy for coming in third place or even participating? Or told you were a winner when you really lost?

Because in all my years I I have never seen a group of Democrats throw such a fit when they've lost.

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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #65)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:00 AM

67. Radical Bernie Supporters Are The Future Of The Democratic Party

 

If it has a future.

The Republican Lite Corporate Prostitutes will be leaving "MY PARTY" soon enough.

The purge is around the corner.

Better cash in while you can Wall Street Loving Dems.

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Response to scottie55 (Reply #67)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:25 AM

80. The same supporters that disapproved of Obama, when 85% of liberal democrats approved? n/t

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Response to Txbluedog (Reply #20)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:18 AM

75. Hmmmmm....

Member since: Fri May 13, 2016, 06:36 PM
Number of posts: 129
Number of posts, last 90 days: 129

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Response to Txbluedog (Reply #20)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:27 AM

82. They'll just go dormant til they can once again spew their RW bile with impunity.

 

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Original post)

Tue May 17, 2016, 05:08 PM

22. i will do whatever is necessary to ensure the democratic nominee wins

 

period...

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Original post)

Tue May 17, 2016, 05:19 PM

24. She needs to drop out now. The longer she stays in, the more divided we are. Therefore she

 

needs to get out of the way.

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Response to B Calm (Reply #24)

Tue May 17, 2016, 05:20 PM

25. He needs to drop out now

 

He has no path to the nomination

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Response to Txbluedog (Reply #25)

Tue May 17, 2016, 05:21 PM

26. No she does, she cannot unite this party!

 

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Response to B Calm (Reply #26)

Tue May 17, 2016, 05:51 PM

30. And he can?

 

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Response to Txbluedog (Reply #30)

Tue May 17, 2016, 05:54 PM

31. The polls say he can.

 

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Response to B Calm (Reply #31)

Wed May 18, 2016, 12:21 AM

56. Lol. The actual VOTES

Support Clinton.

Especially in the really real swing states.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Original post)

Tue May 17, 2016, 05:23 PM

27. God bless you, I hope everyone takes your advise.

 

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Original post)

Tue May 17, 2016, 05:35 PM

28. I'm sorry about your terminal Cystic Fibrosis.

 

But I will not vote for a candidate who doesn't stand for at least a few of the things I want. I'm done with the lesser of two evils nonsense. I just won't vote for an evil candidate, period.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Original post)

Tue May 17, 2016, 05:50 PM

29. I'll be voting for every Democrat on the ballot...

Hang in there, we'll get this done together!

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Original post)

Tue May 17, 2016, 06:15 PM

32. Hello again, Turin_C3PO. I finally managed to find your X-post from the AA Group.

 

What an eloquent and touching plea for all real Dems everywhere to do the right thing, and to get the Dem nominee into the White House.

Wishing you courage and perseverance with your medical tribulations.

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Response to Surya Gayatri (Reply #32)

Tue May 17, 2016, 06:21 PM

34. Sure no prob :)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511982836


And thanks for your kind words.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #34)

Tue May 17, 2016, 06:26 PM

36. ...

 

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Original post)

Tue May 17, 2016, 06:27 PM

37. My issues are just as important as your issues.

Your candidate does not address my issues. That's unacceptable.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #37)

Tue May 17, 2016, 06:41 PM

38. Of course your issues matter.

I'm just saying Trump doesn't help anybody. I'll gladly vote Bernie if he pulls off the nomination, I know it may be hard to believe, but he is/was my first choice. A large reason is because he supports single payer. You won't find one negative post of mine about Bernie here. All I'm asking is for people to think things over in the coming months.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Original post)

Tue May 17, 2016, 06:50 PM

39. I got your back Turin_C3PO

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Original post)

Tue May 17, 2016, 08:09 PM

42. Great post. Thank you, and hang in there.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Original post)

Tue May 17, 2016, 08:11 PM

43. Don't worry, the DU Sanders contingent is not representative of the whole

There are bitter people here, but it doesn't reflect real life.

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Response to artislife (Reply #48)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:03 AM

68. "She won't do it."

Will Trump?

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Response to artislife (Reply #81)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:34 AM

88. Sure, and that vote will make it more likely that Trump will be President.

I know it is hard to hear. Truth is sometimes hard to hear. That's why it needs to be shouted from the rooftops -- not deflected.

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Wed May 18, 2016, 01:56 AM

98. So making Trump's election more likely is worth allowing you to feel good about your vote? n/t

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Response to artislife (Reply #99)

Wed May 18, 2016, 03:17 AM

100. You appear to believe that your "voice" is more important than the consequences of a Trump victory.

There would be no problem merely expressing your voice if this were a debate club or a singing group. But it is not. It is a United States presidential election, where your vote can have real and devastating consequences to millions of Americans (most of whom are not privileged enough to be able to ignore the real life consequences of your actions).

You of course have every right to use your voice and feel good about your vote, instead of preventing concrete harm to your fellow citizens. But you don't get to pretend that isn't the result of such an action.

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Response to artislife (Reply #48)

Wed May 18, 2016, 09:10 AM

110. Turin IS a Sanders voter and explained why voting for Dem in Nov matters to people

like him. I don't understand why he's being grilled for opening up about it.

I think some here have misunderstood his POV.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 12:11 AM

49. I have two disabled family members and have seen their benefits get slowly gutted

by both the Republicans and Democrats over the years. I will only vote for candidates who will not give in to cuts to social services and I believe Hillary will give in to cuts just like the majority of Democrats do. If we would spend less money on war and tax the rich we would have the money we need for Medicare for All and for tuition free college.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 12:15 AM

52. Should vote Bernie.

 

I am sorry for those who inflict harm on themselves and others by selecting a candidate who is so disliked that millions within her own party would not vote for her.

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Reply #52)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:15 AM

73. That doesn't make sense. All those who "would not vote for her" need to do

is vote for her. No one is forcing them NOT to vote for her. It is their choice to make the election of Trump more likely. People are responsible for their own freely-made choices.

Voting for Bernie wouldn't help, because Bernie has lost. (The poster DID vote for Bernie.) The only choice people have now is to make the election of Trump less likely or more likely.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 12:19 AM

54. I really hope things get better for you.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 12:19 AM

55. The Republicans can unite

behind Donald Fucking Trump but somehow Clinton is so so awful that some will stay home and let the Right Wing authoritarian demagogue take the White House.
The mind boggles.

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Response to Mz Pip (Reply #55)

Wed May 18, 2016, 12:43 AM

64. Insane, isn't it?

Their purity comes before the needs of real people who will be genuinely hurt. You don't toy with other people's lives just to feel better about yourself. It's disgusting.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 12:29 AM

58. I am ..... be insane not :) n/t

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Response to MisterP (Reply #63)

Wed May 18, 2016, 12:51 AM

66. The voters chose the stronger candidate.

Why is democracy so difficult for you to understand?

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Response to MisterP (Reply #63)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:16 AM

74. They did, and it's over. n/t

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:12 AM

71. I'm so sorry about your diagnosis, and that trauma that you're going through as you

 

watch all the paid trolls and the naively delude Berniebers vent their bile on this formerly Democratic site. I'd just like to remind you that the vast majority of Bernie supporters in real life are nothing like the narrow minded ideologues and demagogues you see on this site and other online spaces that have been subject to a well funded and manipulated "digital presence" from nefarious forces seeking to sow disruption and division.

Real Progressives/liberals, both Dems and indies will be joining sane Repubs in voting against Trump. The dramatics you see and the clothes rending you see are from people who are not representative of real voters, and those will most certainly be voting Blue in the fall. The American people need the ACA, see through Trump's idiocy and his son-in-law's BernieorBust trick.

Also, women are a majority who vote, minorities see what nastiness Trump is bringing out with his mere presence on the scene and we vote. The Bernatic drama queens, as we keep noting don't bother to show up, to register or to vote, it's why HRC is leading by so much in the popular vote and the pledged delegate count.

Asking for empathy from people who simply do not possess any ounce of self awareness is a waste of your time, know that real progressives will do the sane thing, regardless of what these faux and temporary progressives rail about.

Please take care of yourself and don't stress yourself out, the multiple accounts that spew the same silly nonsense here don't represent real voters, usually just a single person who won't be voting period.

I hope you're comfortable, and I wish you peace of mind and body. Best wishes.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:18 AM

76. No nuance. Sad OP but ignorant

 

There's some BOBers who don't live in.swing states. They can vote their conscience and maybe get enough Greens to ensure rheir on the ballot.

Or their in states where write-ins matter.

I think you're naive to think the ACA just needs "tweaking" (Hillary’s position).

Enshrining the insurance companies meddle in between us and our doctors is madness (the ACA into perpetuity).

Fuck that shit. I want health care for everyone.

I am tremendously sad for your condition. I too have severe, irreversible health conditions. I won't be able to live under Trump care. I'm just braver about "risking it all" to get it all, for all of us, despite my individual story

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #76)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:32 AM

86. It isn't brave to risk other people's health for a 0% probability outcome.

In fact, it isn't even "risk" at that point. If I drop a ball, I am not "risking" it falling to the floor. I am causing it to fall to the floor.

"Fuck that shit. I want health care for everyone."

Sometimes in life, you don't actually get what you want, when you want it. In fact, the likelihood of getting something sometimes has zero correlation to how much you want that something. Not learning that lesson by this point isn't "bravery."

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #76)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:33 AM

87. I've been

a Sanders supporter because I do support single payer as well as his stronger stance on climate change. I'm just trying to convince people to vote for the nominee, whomever it may be because I believe Trump to be a fascist truly.

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #76)

Thu May 19, 2016, 08:02 AM

124. That's unfair and very unlike you, rider…..Turin has been a Sanders supporter

and he is addressing the point of voting in November and what matters to people besides our individual ourselves given the choice we will have before us.

I'm a Sanders voter who will be fine economically no matter who is president, and I am beyond the age of making reproductive choices, too. I don't see my vote in November being for me - I see it as being for my friends, neighbors, communities, schools, medical clinics who will be impacted one of two ways - for better or for worse. I will vote for them and their families - for better. Because 'for worse', in this case, will be a deep, irreversible pain for too many in this country and in others.

After all these years it is difficult for me to imagine that you would post a reply so unfair, especially to one of our fellow Sanders supporters. The way some of us are being pushed around and excluded the last couple months because we voted for Sanders and state our support Democrats, the party and our platform in November is just
wrong, imo.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:21 AM

78. I wish there was a more equitable solution to our HC system ...

and I say that as a wife whose husband was diagnosed with MDS which progressed to acute myeloid leukemia and who has undergone two allogeneic stem cell transplant since 2010, relapsing on his fourth year check up.

We have lived at Hope Lodge in NYC for over 7 months with well over the same amount of inpatient time and all that entails.

I have been an advocate of a national HC system even before my husband was diagnosed and before our daughter decided to enter med school.

What we have witnessed in speaking with other patients through this process are the challenges they face, from the hospitals and doctors that are in network, to those who need cab fare to get to appointments with a low immune system. Not to mention the challenges of buying food in NYC, and how to procure and transport that food during not so friendly winters. And then rally some energy to cook

We have been living for decades of a shrinking middle class where we vote for the establishment candidates .... while those in need shrink even faster.

I sincerely wish you well, although I doubt the next candidate will have much impact on you or my husband, we are fighting for the next generation/generations and will make the most of our time on this planet.





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Response to Turin_C3PO (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:28 AM

83. While I do honestly care about you and want the best for you....

 

Bernie has said nothing about dismantling the ACA. I don't know where you get that information from...... what's the source?

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Response to seekthetruth (Reply #83)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:38 AM

90. I'm sorry I didn't mean to imply that at all.

I supported Bernie because of his single payer stance as well as a few other issues. I have no doubt healthcare would be safe if he won. But since it looks like he won't win, I'm asking that people vote Clinton in the General. Trump is the one I think may dismantle ACA and everything else.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #90)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:42 AM

93. Sorry mate.

 

I call bs. You're claiming that you have all of these health problems and you're on a bloody website trying to get people to vote for Clinton?????

My mom died of cancer a few years back, and the last thing I'd think of doing is logging onto a message board..........

Sounds fishy.

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Response to seekthetruth (Reply #93)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:48 AM

95. I don't know what to tell ya man.

You're free to believe as you wish of course. I'm not gonna die next week. When I say terminal, mean if I lost my healthcare, and couldn't get a transplant when I need it, then I'd likely die within 5-10 years.

I'm not looking for pity or attention, I'm merely posting on a site asking people to vote dem, whomever wins.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #95)

Wed May 18, 2016, 09:02 AM

109. I hear ya

 

The problem is..... Hillary isn't a Democrat. She's a moderate Republican, in essence.

Either way..... Trump or Clinton, we're screwed.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:29 AM

84. Plus.....

 

Bernie polls much better than Clinton.....and if Bernie gets the nomination I highly doubt Clinton supporters would side with Trump.

Doesn't make sense.

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Response to seekthetruth (Reply #84)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:41 AM

91. I'm just urging people

To vote for the nominee. That's it. If it's Bernie then I certainly would hope Clinton supporters do likewise. I know Bernie voters won't vote Trump, I just hope y'all don't sit the election out .

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:30 AM

85. If you're not for real.

 

This is one sick post.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:36 AM

89. Of course I will. I care about women.

I'm of the opinion that if you don't support the Democratic nominee, you must not have women in your life you wish to see kept alive and healthy. Having a Republican pick a SCOTUS judge or two would almost guarantee Roe v. Wade is overturned, which means thousand of women go back to dying each year from illegal unsafe abortions.

I am old enough to remember when the Clintons were in office, then Bush (ugh), and I don't know what these Sanders supporters are on about, but the HYPERBOLE is grating, and worse it's incorrect. "Millions will die under Hillary!" Please. Speak like an adult, already.

Clinton is as fine a candidate as anybody. She has a great record on supporting women, and she is NOT TRUMP. She's not even a very conservative Democrat. Clinton was the 11th most liberal Senator during her time there with Sanders. That's good enough for me.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:42 AM

92. I am a caregiver for someone that suffers from Chronic pain & that is one of the reasons I am voting

for Bernie.

I want the damn for profit insurance companies out of the way so I can get her to the specialists she needs when she needs them without watching her having to sit and cry all day in excruciating pain while we wait for a referral.
I'm sure you understand what I am referring to.

I want medicare for all & I will fight for Bernie till the end. The healthcare system we have now is not working for those of us that really need it. It needs more than tweeking. Yes, the ACA is great for those of us that didn't have healthcare in the past but it is not enough.

There is a reason why some of us fight so hard.

I am sorry you are going thru what you are going thru, and I sincerely wish you the best.

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Response to jillan (Reply #92)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:51 AM

97. I want single payer also.

I wish the best to you and hope your patient gets much better care soon.

I think caregivers are angels btw, my sweet old grandma was one her entire life. 😃

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:45 AM

94. I wish you well; no matter who wins. n/t

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 03:48 AM

101. Not sure what side you are on, but the HRC side has some very serious amends

 

to be making...not the they will. The less effort they make, the less enthusiasm I will have. As far as I'm concerned, they can...

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Response to silvershadow (Reply #101)

Wed May 18, 2016, 03:54 AM

102. Bernie voter

But it was close for me because I admire HRC, but I like Bernie's policies a bit better, especially single payer.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 04:00 AM

104. Newsflash! Many people who have to work for a living wouldn't survive a Clinton

presidency.

Why aren't the HRC supporters empathetic to us?

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 07:12 AM

107. We've got your back Turin_C3PO

Solid Democratic voter here and I intend to vote. I realize the horrendous cost of not doing so. Sorry that so many here are willing to put their purity above your well being. I'm not, and I will stand by you and your best interests.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 09:13 AM

111. I think many missed that you ARE a Sanders supporter who voted for him.

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Response to blm (Reply #111)

Wed May 18, 2016, 08:02 PM

122. I'm not sure it matters to them. nt

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