2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIf Hillary is indicted....may we see the return of O'Malley?
A Sanders/O'Malley ticket perhaps?
Hmmm............nobody has mentioned that I don't think.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)your weak excuse of a revolution has been defeated. Enjoy, for time is running out for you.
Yurovsky
(2,064 posts)as the legal noose tightens...
You'll be thankful for Bernie after he defeats Trump and HRC is appealing her convictions...
annavictorious
(934 posts)He will not be on the ticket.
He would never be asked to step in.
He will never get another committee assignment.
He will be primaried by Dr. Dean in '18.
And he will never see another cent from the DSCC.
But he'll always have his meeting with the Pope
And the bird.
He'll always have the bird.
senz
(11,945 posts)of getting your beloved corporations out of our government and returning the governent to the people.
That will not go away.
And your clear hatred for Bernie Sanders for interfering with the corporate takeover of this country begins to sounds like the desperate protestations of one of Marie Antoinette's handmaidens.
hellyall
(9 posts)Good luck. Dean now has holes to drive a truck through, not to mention that he is a registered lobbyist.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)You must not know Vermont.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)Even though said voters have been deemed "stupid and black-headed", or words to that effect, by his supporters. Funny how that never works.
For me, he is a Third Way administrator type. He would bring nothing to a Sanders ticket, IMO.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)I saw as pretty darn progressive myself. I do wish he had gotten a lot more attention. I liked the guy.
djean111
(14,255 posts)Here are some links to what I am talking about -
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12779494
http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Martin_O%60Malley_Principles_+_Values.htm
O`Malley adopted the manifesto, "A New Politics for a New America":
As New Democrats, we believe in a Third Way that rejects the old left-right debate and affirms Americas basic bargain: opportunity for all, responsibility from all, and community of all.
We believe:
that governments proper role in the New Economy is to equip working Americans with new tools for economic success and security.
in expanding trade and investment because we must be a party of economic progress, not economic reaction.
that fiscal discipline is fundamental to sustained economic growth as well as responsible government.
that a progressive tax system is the only fair way to pay for government.
the Democratic Partys mission is to expand opportunity, not government.
that education must be Americas great equalizer, and we will not abandon our public schools or tolerate their failure.
that all Americans must have access to health insurance.
in preventing crime and punishing criminals.
in a new social compact that requires and rewards work in exchange for public assistance and that ensures that no family with a full-time worker will live in poverty.
that public policies should reinforce marriage, promote family, demand parental responsibility, and discourage out-of-wedlock births.
in enhancing the role that civic entrepreneurs, voluntary groups, and religious institutions play in tackling Americas social ills.
in strengthening environmental protection by giving communities the flexibility to tackle new challenges that cannot be solved with top-down mandates.
government must combat discrimination on the basis of race, creed, gender, or sexual orientation; defend civil liberties; and stay out of our private lives.
that abortion should be safe, legal, and rare.
in progressive internationalism -- the bold exercise of US leadership to foster peace, prosperity, and democracy.
that the US must maintain a strong, technologically superior defense to protect our interests and values.
Source: The Hyde Park Declaration 00-DLC0 on Aug 1, 2000
I don't "like" or "dislike" O'Malley - I do loathe anything to do with Third Way centrism. I don't care if he used that against Hillary, that is just campaign blather.
FSogol
(45,360 posts)The Hyde Park Declaration was a letter prior to the forming of the Third Way group. It was signed by most Democrats.
Look at what the letter states. It is practically the Democratic Party platform. What exactly do you disagree with in the Hyde Park letter?
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)It boggles my mind that we are still quasi-litigating this BS about a candidate that is no longer running.
It appears to me that some people will never find a politician pure enough.
FSogol
(45,360 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)Exactly.
demwing
(16,916 posts)But he walks it with a decided limp
FSogol
(45,360 posts)transgender citizens. I could go on and on. O'Malley, unlike some, wasn't just talk. He had major progressive successes.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)FSogol
(45,360 posts)Martin O'Malley:
1. Ended death penalty in Maryland
2. Prevented fracking in Maryland and put regulations in the way to prevent next GOP Gov Hogan fom easily allowing fracking.
3. Provided health insurance for 380,000
4. Reduced infant mortality to an all time low.
5. Provided meals to thousands of hungry children and moved toward a goal for eradicating childhood hunger.
6. Enacted a $10.10 living wage and a $11. minimum wage for State workers.
7. Supporter the Dream Act
8. Cut income taxes for 86% of Marylanders (raised taxes on the rich).
9. Reformed Marylands tax code to make it more progressive.
10. Enacted some of the nations most comprehensive reforms to protect homeowners from foreclosure.
11. Froze tuition at State colleges.
There is a lot more, but I'll only add that Mother Jones magazine called him the best candidate on environmental issues.
Article here:
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/12/martin-omalley-longshot-presidential-candidate-and-real-climate-hawk
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Since I don't support violating the 4th Amendment rights of Black Americans I'll pass.
AntiBank
(1,339 posts)Especially if it is "only" a recommendation for indictment. She will take the whole party down with her I fear.
senz
(11,945 posts)Nothing seems to exist for her outside of herself.
Blanks
(4,835 posts)It has been pointed out many times that the burden on the 'prosecution' is to prove intent.
How likely is it that there is going to be proof that the individual fourth in ascension to the office of the presidency intended to betray her country.
This 'Indictment' thing is just right-wing silliness.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)I'm sorry but it isn't. The FBI falls under the jurisdiction of the Obama administration.
POTUS could actually tell them to knock it off but he hasn't. I wonder why.
Intent however was shown when Hillary didn't heed to warnings that this shouldn't be done and did so anyways.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512100684
TexasBushwhacker
(20,044 posts)a private server, among other things.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)TexasBushwhacker
(20,044 posts)"The report goes on to say that Gration "ordered a commercial Internet connection installed in his embassy office bathroom so he could work there on a laptop not connected to the Department email system," and that Gration "very infrequently logs onto his classified account, which would allow him to read cables and classified emails."
Of course, she has an IG report of her own now.
Blanks
(4,835 posts)You know, like the twin towers crashing down. If her 'lapse in security' had caused some actual damage, then one could argue that this 'lapse in security' contributed to the disaster. Without an actual disaster, it's difficult to argue that the lapse in security intentionally (intent, see how that works) caused the disaster.
The intelligence agencies retroactively classified some of her emails to a higher security clearance. In one of the emails that they retroactive up-classified she was discussing a news article.
One of the good things that has come from this is that we've learned that security agencies classify material to hide information from other security agencies (and their mistakes from the American people). It's good that more awareness has been raised as a result of the scandal, but if you're holding out hope for an indictment...
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)If something happens to Clinton I want O'Malley on the first ballot.
senz
(11,945 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)I think I can confidently say it will be ABB, Anybody But Bernie and Biden is the only one with sufficient name recognition to have the slightest chance. Joe is also pretty sharp and could probably ring Trump's bell but he's vulnerable in some places too.
If it's a choice between Bernie or Trump the establishment will hold their noses and go Trump, Bernie knows entirely too much about the machinery of government while they think they can control Trump.
All I can say is good luck with that..
thesquanderer
(11,955 posts)I think Sanders supporters would be less upset about being passed over for Warren than they would being passed over for Biden, and keeping Sanders voters more motivated could be very helpful in November.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,044 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)Warren as Hillary's or Biden's VP is just using her to get votes, and then, just as important, if not more so, getting Warren's inconvenient-to-the Third-Way presence out of the Senate. There would be high-fives all around, and Warren would be relegated to dinners and funerals.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Bernie in a skirt isn't going to get the nod from the DWS wing of the party, the Senator from MasterCard though would be acceptable.
demwing
(16,916 posts)She has a specific set of communication skills that Bernie does not. Other then that, you're spot on.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Different styles of communication work for different people, not everyone is the same and not everyone is swayed by the same argument or the same style of argument even.
demwing
(16,916 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)If the party manages to do it, we'll lose in November.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)I don't see him being the guy.
Warren, perhaps.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)And then the party poobahs have to figure out how to spin/sell it.
Thats the most ridiculous thing about the hill folk here going on about the "indictment fairy" - personally, i dont think an indictment would mean sanders would be any closer to getting the nomination, all it would mean is that HRC has screwed us all due to her flouting of the rules and reflexive impulse against transparent disclosure.
Its not a very appealing scenario.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)bypass Bernie and hand the nomination over to some other establishment candidate who never even competed in the primaries. Where the fuck is that scenario permitted in the rules?
TimPlo
(443 posts)Rule 40(b) is an official rule of the Republican Party. As adopted in August 2012, it requires a candidate for the Republican nomination for president to be able to demonstrate support from a majority of delegates in at least eight individual states in order to have his or her name placed on the nominating ballot at the 2016 Republican National Convention.
The DNC has no such rule. The candidates at the convention are only pledged to vote for Clinton then after first round they can vote for who ever. The convention is the only place that actually does the "actual" vote matter. They could put anyone they want up for it there is not rule against it.
Isn't American elections such a pillar of democracy.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Any DEM besides Clinton would work for me.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Some are far too conservative in my eyes.
senz
(11,945 posts)If we can't have Bernie, we can at least avoid overt mental illness occupying the Oval Office.
It would be a bargain made in desperation, but yes, if it came to that, I would have to concur.
still_one
(91,965 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)there will be no indictment.
There is no O'Malley for President
There is no Bernie for President
There is no Biden for President
you are looking extremely foolish making up this shit and posting it day after day.
Gawd i wish the next few Primaries were over already.
AntiBank
(1,339 posts)Unless the FBI is going for max Democratic Party destruction factor and drops a bombshell right during or immediately after the convention.
You do realise that if the FBI investigation is STILL ongoing up until the election that its going to do massive damage to Clinton.
The only way she skates is one of 2 things happen, and one of them is not really her skating.
1 The FBI clears her outright before the election. I still think this is the most probable outcome. For all our sakes it better be.
2 (and this will still screw us against Trumpf) the FBI recommends indictment and the Obama DOJ refuses or kicks the can down the road till after the election.
None of this is "right wing conspiracy theory". That is patently absurd to call it that. You have an extremely active, legitimate FBI criminal investigation of Clinton going on in the middle of a presidential race. If and until she is cleared one way or another, it is entire reasonable to show grave concern. No amount of spin and head-in-the-sand posturing is going to make it go away, or make it NOT impact the race against Trumpf.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)I was not referring to the FBI anything....I was referring to the idiocy that will be gone from DU after June 16.
AntiBank
(1,339 posts)has zero bearing on the real world events that are yet to unfold.
PragmaticLiberal
(904 posts)Honestly, I thought (and still think)Martin was the most qualified candidate in terms of actually implementing progressive policies.
That's in large part why I'm writing him in.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)Corrected
PragmaticLiberal
(904 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)StevieM
(10,499 posts)Tarc
(10,472 posts)JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Trajan
(19,089 posts)And the GUTS to carry it through ...
Nobody else has that ...
grasswire
(50,130 posts)He is really a wonderful example of a principled progressive man.
I think he will be an inspiration to Millennials for a long, long time.
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)Biden or O'Malley. I would think that that the best
replacement for HRC would be Kerry, because he
has proven himself to be very competent in foreign
affairs (using diplomacy instead of military options),
and he has gone through the nomination procedure
before.