Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:18 PM Jun 2016

Tom Toles: Hillary has already won the presidency

How can I make such a bold assertion before she has even received the nomination? Because I already did, several months ago, when it was harder, before a single primary or caucus vote had been cast. And yes, I got the Trump part right too.

The air was dense back before Iowa with tales of Jeb, and Rubio and all the rest at the adult and children’s tables. Trump would never be the nominee. A colleague had to literally eat his column predicting that Trump would never win the nomination. It just couldn’t happen. Until it did. (I did predict Trump would win Iowa, which he didn’t, but ‘close enough’ applies in horseshoes and hand grenades and primary seasons). I correctly predicted the craven capitulation of the Republican party.

And now with the polls ‘tightening’ like your clenching teeth (or whatever), speculation is everywhere that Trump will win the election too. He won’t. He is going to lose, and lose badly.

Why? Because the Republican party is not the same as the US population. Yes there is overlap, and yes everyone feels the goosebumps of an idiot breaking all the rules and getting applause for it, but We’re Not There Yet. The American public, for all its waywardness and depravity and reality-show slumming, has not yet thrown in the towel on trying to have a republic and make it work, the Republican party notwithstanding. Donald Trump is a charlatan and a dangerous one, and this will become abundantly clear as the rest of the campaign unfolds. He can threaten the media and wave his whatever-sized hands all he wants, but it is no big mystery as to what he really is, and barring a level of economic and social dysfunction significantly greater than what we have now, he will go down, and go down in flames.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/opinions/wp/2016/06/01/hillary-has-already-won-the-presidency/

Posted today.

13 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Tom Toles: Hillary has already won the presidency (Original Post) Godhumor Jun 2016 OP
The very reason that HRC picked and chose her battlegrounds. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #1
Hillary has played this brilliantly so far, auntpurl Jun 2016 #2
Money quote: Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #3
If she can stay out of jail... Yurovsky Jun 2016 #4
Raygun could never ever win either. libtodeath Jun 2016 #5
With 2016 demographics his wins would be razor thin, if at all... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #9
I am taking nothing for granted. libtodeath Jun 2016 #10
May Be Right... TomJulie Jun 2016 #6
The poll I saw this morning indicated otherwise... Yurovsky Jun 2016 #7
IF...That Does Happen.. TomJulie Jun 2016 #8
The DNC doesn't make that decision. The delegates do. Fawke Em Jun 2016 #11
bunch of polls show that Sanders is the stronger candidate against Trump GreatGazoo Jun 2016 #12
"I do solemnly swear . . . ucrdem Jun 2016 #13

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
2. Hillary has played this brilliantly so far,
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:25 PM
Jun 2016

and her pivot to the GE and taking on Trump full time cannot come soon enough.

I am 100% confident she will win in November. Hence my full-throated support for her.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
3. Money quote:
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:31 PM
Jun 2016
The American public, for all its waywardness and depravity and reality-show slumming, has not yet thrown in the towel on trying to have a republic and make it work, the Republican party notwithstanding.


Yurovsky

(2,064 posts)
4. If she can stay out of jail...
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:31 PM
Jun 2016

because I doubt she would drop out, even under indictment. And Hillary under indictment is still viable against Trump.

Even if she wins, I expect years of impeachment proceedings and general carnival side show bullshit. And the sad thing is Hillary - and her insatiable greed - brought this about. Blame the GOP all you want - and they are deserving of scorn - but this is Hillary's fault, and no one else's.

All she had to do was use the government email server and try to live off her salary, multi-million-dollar book deals and over $600k in annual federal LIFETIME pensions. But that wasn't enough. For the Clintons, they always want more. It's as though they've holes in their souls that they try to fill with money. Greed is like that. No wonder it's a mortal sin.

Yurovsky

(2,064 posts)
7. The poll I saw this morning indicated otherwise...
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 03:00 PM
Jun 2016

Bernie beat Trump by 9%, while HRC was within the margin of error.

If she gets indicted, we are all royally screwed. I'm not comfortable taking that risk.

TomJulie

(98 posts)
8. IF...That Does Happen..
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 04:51 PM
Jun 2016

If that does happen, I agree, but it's not going to happen. IF, by some chance it did happen, I still don't believe the DNC won't allow Bernie to be our guy. I think Biden will come out and will be the nominee. Biden is a one smart dude. He's tough, smart and knows how the game is played. Biden is very well liked and shouldn't be taken lightly.

But, we'll see soon.

Take care, Yuro.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
11. The DNC doesn't make that decision. The delegates do.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 04:56 PM
Jun 2016

If this happens before the convention and Hillary releases her delegates, they are free to choose as they please. I doubt they all go Biden.

Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»2016 Postmortem»Tom Toles: Hillary has al...