Gavin Newsom

[BainsBane]

FB post from today.

Gavin Newsom
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In 2004, after I ordered the city clerk to give same-sex couples marriage licenses, I quickly became a pariah in the Democratic Party. I was accused of endangering Sen. Kerry's campaign for president, my speech at the national convention was cancelled, and most hurtful, major democratic candidates and elected officials -- some of whom were my friends -- refused to be photographed with me or even be in the same room with me. I was being demonized by the left and the right. Only one major figure in the Dem party was willing to be photographed with me: Hillary Clinton. In 2004, we did an event together down at Delancey Street in San Francisco. I'll never forget that moment -- that when I was being attacked for my position on same sex marriage and what we did in San Francisco, she was willing to stand with me in public when no one else was. ‪#‎ImWithHer‬

[SheenaR]

1. I applaud her for doing that

I denounce her for not publicly supporting it for almost a decade after that.

[BainsBane]

3. That's not even true.

[SheenaR]

4. Truth me then please

Where did she publicly support same-sex marriage before 2013

Edit: I don't even mind that she evolved. She at least eventually got it right. But let's not rewrite history

[BainsBane]

6. When she was Sec of State

She moved to establish benefits for same sex partners and established LGBT rights as a criteria for the US government in considering human rights, for example.
http://correctrecord.org/hillary-clinton-expanding-lgbt-rights-at-state/

[SheenaR]

7. Did she come out and support same-sex marriage

that is my question. Did she approve of the the institution of marriage for couples of the same sex.

This isn't a hit job by me. I think she has made up for some lost time on this issue. I don't think she should be crowned champion of the issue by any stretch though.

[BainsBane]

9. I don't believe Newsom called her a champion of the cause

He talked about his own experience on the issue and how she was among the few who stood by him.

She clearly improved the lives of LGBT state department employees and made a number of contributions to how the US Department of State dealt with gay rights internationally. So no, that's not the same as making a public pronouncement in favor of same sex marriage. But her competitor for the Democratic nominee is hardly a champion on the issue either. I don't know of one single thing he has ever done to advance that cause. When VT was moving to enact same sex marriage in 2007, he opposed it. I know Bernie supporters like to pretend that never happened, but he is on the record doing so.

[tonyt53]

10. No, it isn't a "hit" job by you, but it is a sad attempt.

Nothing she has ever done in this regard would suit you based upon your words.

[SheenaR]

11. Sure thing tony

Here's what would have been quite suitable. When Chris Matthews asked her on TV in 2002 if she supported same-sex marriage, she could have said yes. Instead she flat out said no. Then gave an impassioned speech on the Senate floor about the sanctity of marriage.

So plenty could have been done. My words included three key words- "Same. Sex. Marriage." By my words, no, she has not been suitable but has made great strides in the last few years.

[Darb]

13. WTF

difference does it make right now? Except in puritan bernies world, the rest of us have moved the fuck on a looooooooong time ago. Whine all you want that she didn't agree with you soon enough.

[SheenaR]

14. It makes a lot of difference to those who were affected by her initial philosophy

That's what difference it makes. A huge fucking difference. Congrats that you were over it while others were unable for years to marry the person they loved.

I suppose the Iraq war vote is off the table too since that was long ago as well.

Has nothing to do with this "puritan" bullshit. Has everything to do with Progressive fucking ideals.

Get some.

[Darb]

15. Because she ruled the world by fiat? She could wave her hand

and legalize gay marriage? Sorry, she is not to blame for the slow walking of gay marriage. Deal with it.

[SheenaR]

16. Nope

She could have "led" the way. That's what leaders do. They don't stick a finger in the air and see which way the wind is blowing.

Thanks for inserting yourself into this conversation though. I needed a decent dose of ignorance.

[Darb]

20. Another puritan.

Just what the DU needs. By the way, who led that movement?

[democrattotheend]

18. I applaud her too, regardless of motive

I'm not 100% sure she actually WANTED Kerry to win, so that could be why she was so "brave" in supporting Newsome. That said, it was the right thing to do regardless of why, and I applaud her for that.

[Happyhippychick]

2. He'll be under the bus in 3....2....

[LonePirate]

28. That's what I was thinking. He said something nice about Hillary so he will be branded as a traitor.

We've already started to see that with Warren and the leaked reports of her impending Hillary endorsement.

[CorkySt.Clair]

32. Even worse, he's a talented pol

Who can win elections. Burn him!1!

I'm sure Nadin will be along anytime now to tell us all what an insufferable cretin Newsom is and how we're all a bunch of stooges because we can't see that and how his fall "will make me laugh".

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. He is going to make our state a fine governor.

He's also presidential timber.

[applegrove]

25. The GOP will try and take him out in the years to come. Just like they did with Obama.

At Obama's first congressional black caucus he was hounded by women coming on to him. Not doubt GOP paid 'lobbyists'. Look at how long they have tried to do in Hillary. Newsom needs a safety plan because he is a rising star.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

27. That is because they are both very attractive men.

[applegrove]

34. They are very attractive formidable candidates. That is why Obama was targeted.

Newsom will be targeted in some or many ways too.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

35. I remember reading about sexual entreaties to the president.

I don't think they were trying to set him up...They just found him attractive. He did find the whole thing untoward.

[applegrove]

36. Well unless the women admitted it, they could not very well report that he was being set up.

Neither you nor I have enough info. I think Obama's side of the story was put forth to the public stop the behaviour. How would a whole bevy of individual women independently attracted to Obama and coming on to him independently at every turn at the cbc be cowed by the threat of public exposure? The Obama administration likely thought publicizing the behaviour would shut them down as a group. That's all they could do to stop it. IMHO. I could be wrong.

[oasis]

8. ImWithHer

[MineralMan]

12. And there it is. That's why Hillary has the support

of people who are actual leaders. They know Hillary.

I hope people pay attention to this heartfelt statement from Gavin Newsom. It's important.

[zappaman]

17. oh no!!!! is he "establishment" now too?

Our next Governor.
I will proudly vote for him.

[auntpurl]

19. What a wonderful statement from Newsom. Thank you for posting.

[chascarrillo]

21. #HesWithHisCampaignManagersWife

[yallerdawg]

22. The real Hillary!

[Starry Messenger]

23. Wow, I didn't know he'd gotten shunned.

It was really an amazing act--how wonderful she supported him. xo

[joshcryer]

26. It's still hard to believe they were passing bans until 2012.

Yeah, it really was an issue then. Dean, DUs candidate at the time, was conservative by current standards.

Nobody was even for it in 2008 either.

[Starry Messenger]

30. ikr?

What a great time in history to be alive, really, to see the changes.

[Warren DeMontague]

39. He's still getting shunned by some beltway types- for supporting marijuana legalization.

Maybe Hillary will decide to listen to the guy on that, too, since he has a proven track record of leadership.

[applegrove]

24. She is a good egg and recognized another good egg in trouble

for being a good egg.

[ucrdem]

29. K'n'R

[Tarc]

31. +1

Ignore the haters, this is a great story.

[yardwork]

33. Good OP. Thanks for posting this.

[Lucinda]

37. KNR

[aikoaiko]

38. He's very forgiving since she helped set the stage for how he was treated.

Two years earlier she said she didn't support gay marriage

Hardball College Tour (Nov. 2002):

MATTHEWS: Let me ask you this about some domestic issues in New York State. This state is always the sort of the social beginnings of so much in this country.

People come here, a lot of immigrants. The “New York Times” recently began posting the celebrations of gay unions. Not just straight people getting married, but gay people who want to announce their unions. Do you think New York State should recognize gay marriage?

CLINTON: No.

CROWD: Boo

This is her expression as she was booed for saying NY should not recognize gay marriage.

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Here is the clip.

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I suppose you have to forgive HRC in order to support her.

[BainsBane]

40. "set the stage"

What complete nonsense.

As Sec of State, she worked for benefits and rights of LGBT families. http://correctrecord.org/hillary-clinton-expanding-lgbt-rights-at-state/

What has Sanders ever done? Can you name one thing? When gay marriage was being debated in VT, he opposed it. We know he hasn't sponsored any legislation to improve their lives, since the only legislation he's ever gotten passed is the Veterans bill and naming two post offices. It's hard to boast a record of improving people's lives when one is so firmly committed to doing so little.
It's not everyone who ranks dead last in the Senate in terms of successful legislation or bipartisanship. I suppose that's a kind of accomplishment in itself.

When the site is back up, this link shows his congressional report card. https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/bernard_sanders/400357/report-card/2015

I guess you won't be "forgiving" Clinton. I understand the failure to put moar guns over human life is unforgivable in certain circles.

[aikoaiko]

42. Yes, set the stage. She supported DOMA and opposed gay marriage in NYS

HRC was a big part of the high profile Democrats explicitly against gay marriage at the federal and NY state level.

1983 - As mayor of Burlington, he signed a Gay Pride Day proclamation calling it a civil rights issue.
1993 - Opposed DADT
1996 - Voted against the DOMA
1996 - Voted against the DC gay adoption ban.
2000 - Supported civil unions in Vermont in 2000.

He never said he opposed gay marriage in the state of Vermont. I grant you that he didn't come out strongly for it either, but thats a far cry from Clintons unequivocal "No" on Hardball in 2002.

[LoverOfLiberty]

43. I am gay

and not a one issue voter. Neither Sanders nor Clinton have been pro gay rights enough for me. Nevertheless, its disingenuous to try to use this as a wedge issue among the mostly heterosexual members of DU.

I'll take both of them where they are at today, and in that respect, either would earn my vote.

[aikoaiko]

45. Fair enough. I'll agree that neither has done enough and let their records speak to...

...to their values.

[BainsBane]

44. She along with every other elected official

and most voters. She wasn't leading it. She was one among many, a senate candidate for New York. This tendency to blame her for all the ills on planet earth is ridiculous. If she had a fraction of the power you people ascribe to her, she would have been president a long time ago.

Sanders did oppose it, for the same reasons Clinton did: political expediency. He said he thought they should stick with civil unions, the time wasn't right.

And of course you can't name one thing he has done to advance LGBT rights, when I posted a link showing dozens by Clinton.

[aikoaiko]

46. I'm glad she changed in time for her second run for the presidency.

She'll win the nomination and probably win the presidency. I hope she continues to serve the LGBT community well.

[libdem4life]

41. Credit where credit is due. It's been a thorny issue for a very, very

long time...both in politics and within families. I'm proud to say that my family finally came to terms with it, as well. It was not easy for many of them...especially the mothers.

I was living in the Bay Area at the time and didn't know this. I like him even better now. She gets a pass on this one from me, FWIW.