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amborin

(16,631 posts)
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 06:17 PM Jun 2016

Naked Capitalism: First Steps Toward Replacing Hillary Clinton Already Taken?

Mr. Obama and adviser Valerie Jarrett might begin sending signals to the Democratic National Committee and to the vice president that a Biden rescue operation wouldn’t displease the White House” [Wall Street Journal, “Clinton Might Not Be the Nominee”]. But “Valerie Jarrett might begin sending signals” jibes well with today’s “The White House Is Terrified the Clinton Campaign “Is in Freefall.'”

Prolegomena to gaming things out: (1) In a way, the outcome of the Clinton Email Hairball, whatever it may be, will be an instance of “The Party Decides.” For example: There are some forms of cancer that cannot be removed without killing the patient. The Clinton network may have metastatized too much for treatment. In which case, “eat, drink, and be merry.”

For Clinton to be removed: (2)(a) somebody will have to take her aside and explain. Under Nixon, that role was performed by a delegation led by Barry Goldwater. Perhaps Democrat insiders like John Podesta, who has a power base independent from the Clinton campaign, or Nancy Pelosi, who has not yet endorsed, could play a similar role. (2)(b) The White House would have to send a strong enough signal, through Valerie Jarrett. (Remember that Obama’s inner circle is very small.) (2)(b)(i) Although Obama is a lame duck, he retains power over Loretta Lynch, even though Lynch is a long-time loyalist (see page 44). He also retains the power to pardon. He also retains the affection and loyalty of a large part of the Democrat base. And he has his library to think of. (3) No matter what Obama does: (a) the FBI leadership and Judicial Watch are independent power sources, and (b) the worker bees at State and FBI are really fed up and ticked off with Clinton (and for good reason). (4) No matter what Clinton does: She will retain the affection and loyalty of a large part of her own base. (I remember vividly, though possibly not correctly, WaPo’s coverage of the Iowa 2008 caucus, which Clinton unexpectedly lost to Obama, where the young punk reporter mocked some older women sitting sadly in an empty high school auditorium, mourning their loss, and thinking “something’s not right, here.”) (5) “You can’t beat something with nothing.” If Clinton is to be removed, there has to be a candidate willing to replace her at the top of the ticket; #NeverTrump was a fiasco because nobody (credible) could be found. I think if the party decides on Biden, they will be in a lot more trouble than they bargained for. And Kerry’s a loser. So who? (6) The formal way for the party to decide is for Clinton delegates, pledged and unpledged, to vote against her. Who’s going to be the first delegate* to do that? (7) Nobody normal pays attention to the election before Labor Day. So the Democrat Party still has time to change course. But not a lot, especially if they go with a dark horse (like, say Sherrod Brown) and have to introduce them to voters. (8) The obvious face-saving maneuver for everyone is for Clinton to “discover” a previously unknown medical condition, and decide to spend more time with her family. There’s probably more to be said… This is an overly dynamic situation! (Oh, and: (9) Sanders had better not go up in any small planes. I cannot imagine the party deciding in his favor.)

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2016/06/200pm-water-cooler-612016.html

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Naked Capitalism: First Steps Toward Replacing Hillary Clinton Already Taken? (Original Post) amborin Jun 2016 OP
To dream the impossible dream... brooklynite Jun 2016 #1
does this qualify as extreme left wing wacko tinfoil hat stuff banned by TOS? nt msongs Jun 2016 #2
Nope. It's Naked Capitalism. JackRiddler Jun 2016 #20
It is healthy for Democrats to be talking about the what ifs. grasswire Jun 2016 #3
Come quickly June... Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #12
That issue isn't going anywhere. JRLeft Jun 2016 #33
Bernie is the best choice RobertEarl Jun 2016 #4
who is the author? achsadu Jun 2016 #5
Yves Smith a right-winger? Waaaa? This is highly respected, premiere anti-neoliberalism site. zazen Jun 2016 #6
Yves Smith achsadu Jun 2016 #7
You are going to have to do much better than that. Luminous Animal Jun 2016 #10
Why don't you post a link. Wilms Jun 2016 #13
I'm already familiar with Susan Webber (Yves Smith), Aurora Advisors, and their respective creds. Chan790 Jun 2016 #18
Agree!"Naked Capitalism" is one of our best Progressive Financial Sites on the Web.. KoKo Jun 2016 #26
That is very well written. Octafish Jun 2016 #31
Hahaha... Luminous Animal Jun 2016 #8
The link does not work Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #11
You read that exactly backwards. There is no one on that site that wants to reduce workers pay... Luminous Animal Jun 2016 #16
They likely do. Baobab Jun 2016 #23
WTO (created by Bill Clinton according to one pub Ive seen) does. In the developed countries like Baobab Jun 2016 #24
Yes it does. What that has to do with my statement, I'm not quite sure. Luminous Animal Jun 2016 #27
I was just pointing it out because I know it to be a fact that Bill and Hillary feel similarly. Baobab Jun 2016 #32
The the author's consistent misuse of the word "democrat" casts a shadow on the article. HubertHeaver Jun 2016 #17
Aaaaaaaawwwww. JackRiddler Jun 2016 #21
LOL!!! Casting Yves as a rightwinger by using the word "democrat" JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #28
Since you responded with a few actual words, I will reply. HubertHeaver Jun 2016 #30
LOL do you think you are talking to naive children Cal Carpenter Jun 2016 #22
Nice source you used Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #9
Yes. Yves site chronicles the large scale campaign to reduce the bargaining Luminous Animal Jun 2016 #14
It's illuminating to see who has never read Yves & think she is RW. Reaffirms never to pay them heed JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #29
"that jerk Bernstein"? grasswire Jun 2016 #15
Have you ever watched him? Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #34
She misuses it once, I believe. Democratic is the adjective. Luminous Animal Jun 2016 #19
Bernie isn't anywhere near as strong of a candidate as Biden. Zynx Jun 2016 #25

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
3. It is healthy for Democrats to be talking about the what ifs.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 06:23 PM
Jun 2016

Considering the enormous implications of all matters. And the rapid speed that crucial events are coming up.

Better to have thought it all out and be prepared, no matter which side you are on.

Thanks, Amborin.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
4. Bernie is the best choice
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 06:34 PM
Jun 2016

Many supers will be greatly influenced by the crowds of Bernie supporters on the streets at the convention. They will vote for Bernie.

achsadu

(41 posts)
5. who is the author?
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 06:35 PM
Jun 2016

Naked Capitalism is edited and managed by a right winger with questionable credentials. If you want to follow her you're on your own! Why don't you check the source? She provides it: "naked capitalism."

achsadu.

achsadu

(41 posts)
7. Yves Smith
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 06:40 PM
Jun 2016

Why don't you check her credentials? A Clinton hater and a supporter of Judicial Watch.

achsadu.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
18. I'm already familiar with Susan Webber (Yves Smith), Aurora Advisors, and their respective creds.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 07:06 PM
Jun 2016

Last edited Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:18 PM - Edit history (1)

A hint, just because you don't like something because it's critical of your beloved Hillary doesn't make it right-wing.

In this case, your accusations just make you look silly: a blog written by a Wall Street insider turned whistleblower about the corruption of Wall Street and how government works to benefit those that are fixing the system at the expense of the public interest...is almost certainly not right-wing.

Smith hates Clinton for a reason that transcends the left-right political axis...because Clinton is a handmaiden of the Wall St. banking and investment cabal that Naked Capitalism works to expose as a government-condoned criminal enterprise.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
26. Agree!"Naked Capitalism" is one of our best Progressive Financial Sites on the Web..
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:15 PM
Jun 2016

"Yves Smith" and Lambert are incredibly good reads about Wall Street/Real Life Challenges. Yves was all over the 2008 Bail Out of Wall Street (wrote a book about it)...and is very well respected in the International Financial Community for being a "Truth Teller/Observer with Creds."

As you say:

Smith hates Clinton for a reason that transcends the left-right political access...because Clinton is a handmaiden of the Wall St. banking and investment cabal that Naked Capitalism works to expose as a government-condoned criminal enterprise.


Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
8. Hahaha...
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 06:43 PM
Jun 2016
The site has amassed over 60 million visitors since November 13, 2007 and earned it a place in CNBC’s 2012 top 25 The Best Alternative Financial Blogs, calling Yves Smith "a harsh critic of Wall Street who believes that fraud was at the center of the financial crisis."[2]

Demsrule86

(68,543 posts)
11. The link does not work
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 06:45 PM
Jun 2016

and these guys MO is to reduce workers pay...great site...I am sure all the righties flock to the site...and of course...some 'democrats'.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
16. You read that exactly backwards. There is no one on that site that wants to reduce workers pay...
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 06:49 PM
Jun 2016

Rather, articles are published regularly to inform workers of precisely what tactics industries use in order to reduce workers' power and thus their pay.

Righties hate that site.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
24. WTO (created by Bill Clinton according to one pub Ive seen) does. In the developed countries like
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:07 PM
Jun 2016

the US.

(want to reduce workers pay)

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
32. I was just pointing it out because I know it to be a fact that Bill and Hillary feel similarly.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:40 PM
Jun 2016

contrary to the representations by many here.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
28. LOL!!! Casting Yves as a rightwinger by using the word "democrat"
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:32 PM
Jun 2016

It's amusing how obvious it is that some here have never read a word of NakedCapitalism.

HubertHeaver

(2,522 posts)
30. Since you responded with a few actual words, I will reply.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:27 PM
Jun 2016

Misuse of language casts the writer in a bad light. Use of the word "democrat" when "democratic" is appropriate shows a lack of attention to detail causing one to wonder what other details has the writer glossed over? If this individual can't be bothered to get that one right the reader should be compelled to check every detail.

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
22. LOL do you think you are talking to naive children
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:01 PM
Jun 2016

with no access to the rest of the internet?

I'd love to see how questionable your credentials are.

Demsrule86

(68,543 posts)
9. Nice source you used
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 06:44 PM
Jun 2016

I am sure that the White House tell this group of asses everything they plan.

"
Naked Capitalism is an American financial news and analysis blog that claims to "chronicle the large-scale, concerted campaign to reduce the bargaining power and pay of ordinary workers relative to investors and elite technocrats."

Oh and your link does not work...but there is a very similar story from that jerk Bernstein which has already been posted.

Link please.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
14. Yes. Yves site chronicles the large scale campaign to reduce the bargaining
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 06:47 PM
Jun 2016

power of ordinary workers in order to empower ordinary workers with information of how they are being screwed.

So yes, it is a very nice source. She is also a

"a harsh critic of Wall Street who believes that fraud was at the center of the financial crisis."

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
19. She misuses it once, I believe. Democratic is the adjective.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 07:09 PM
Jun 2016

Democrat is the proper noun. Joe Biden is a Democrat. Barak Obama is a Democrat. I am a Democrat. All three of us are Democratic voters.

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
25. Bernie isn't anywhere near as strong of a candidate as Biden.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:07 PM
Jun 2016

I don't get the Biden bashing. Biden would win the general election in a walk.

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