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sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:22 PM Jun 2016

If, and that is a big if, HRC should be replaced by

another democrat, then why not Kerry?
I read a lot about Biden, and now O'Malley,
but neither one has been nominated before.

Kerry, I fear , is not very well liked by the
Clinton clan, but he has proven himself as
an absolut superior SoS with success in
many areas. He is trusted by Obama, and
knows the country just as well as anyone.

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If, and that is a big if, HRC should be replaced by (Original Post) sadoldgirl Jun 2016 OP
And why would a replacement candidate be needed? guillaumeb Jun 2016 #1
No, this suggestion has come up many times, sadoldgirl Jun 2016 #3
Of the three names you mentioned, only O'Malley guillaumeb Jun 2016 #7
the indictment fairy is not coming. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #27
Come on. Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #8
no one who didn't campaign has the right to just roguevalley Jun 2016 #23
Why not that dude who has gotten over 10 million votes? morningfog Jun 2016 #2
Barney... Bennie... No, that's not it. dchill Jun 2016 #5
Oh, dear, I do agree,but fear TPTB will sadoldgirl Jun 2016 #6
Actually, thru Apr 30th, Secretary Clinton and BS have nearly raised the same amount SFnomad Jun 2016 #10
Those corporations are willing to shell out millions to get their candidate elected! BillZBubb Jun 2016 #14
I don't think anyone really could replace Hillary. SpareribSP Jun 2016 #4
He already lost a presidential election. Marr Jun 2016 #9
Then why is Biden mentioned all the time sadoldgirl Jun 2016 #11
I have seen some question about Kerry's health recently. grasswire Jun 2016 #15
His health appears to be enviable for someone his age karynnj Jun 2016 #37
Viewed differently, her voters rejected the other candidate. Zynx Jun 2016 #13
If Sanders had 15% of the vote, yeah-- it would be like that. Marr Jun 2016 #25
That's absurd, but I'm glad you confirmed the absurdity of your thinking. Zynx Jun 2016 #39
Biden is the obvious choice if it comes down to that. Zynx Jun 2016 #12
well, maybe a good portion of Democratic voters... grasswire Jun 2016 #16
More support continuity. Zynx Jun 2016 #18
Yet, he has lost 2 times already and never sadoldgirl Jun 2016 #17
He has been vice president on a winning national ticket twice. Zynx Jun 2016 #19
None of those people received even one vote this primary season. It would NOT onecaliberal Jun 2016 #20
I've been told he's another DLC warmonger who's vote for the IWR was unforgivable... brooklynite Jun 2016 #21
nope, you're 100% right on that. Good thinking! JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #29
He's tan, rested and ready Fumesucker Jun 2016 #33
No to Kerry. bigwillq Jun 2016 #22
I guess if you like things the way they are then you'd hope that someone who hadn't run in the bjo59 Jun 2016 #24
It would overturn the will of the voters Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #26
O'Malley! bravenak Jun 2016 #28
The people (of Iowa) have spoken out for O'Malley! JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #30
I really like him bravenak Jun 2016 #31
I think Biden is the logical choice. Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #32
Yeah, the logical choice, Spock would be thrilled Fumesucker Jun 2016 #34
Like I said in the other thread, then they start to try to figure out how to spin or justify it. Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #35
I've been thinking all along that the establishment would rather Trump than Sanders Fumesucker Jun 2016 #36
See, I kind of think that the robot is running around with no head, at this point. Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #38
I think Boxer gave the purest indication of what the establishment thinks of Sanders Fumesucker Jun 2016 #40
I have to agree marions ghost Jun 2016 #42
I wonder if Deez Nuts is still available. Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #43
Where do you come off with anyone except the present 'other' candidate madokie Jun 2016 #41

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
3. No, this suggestion has come up many times,
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:27 PM
Jun 2016

in case of a very serious effect of the FBI investigation.

My main question is : why then Biden or O'Malley,
when Kerry has more than the necessary
credentials.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
7. Of the three names you mentioned, only O'Malley
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:30 PM
Jun 2016

actually campaigned. What makes anyone think that any of the three would do as well as the two current candidates?

As to the ongoing FBI investigation, if anything happens it does not appear that it will happen soon.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
23. no one who didn't campaign has the right to just
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:08 PM
Jun 2016

Step in and the people won't allow it. More estab. BS if they try

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
2. Why not that dude who has gotten over 10 million votes?
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:25 PM
Jun 2016

You know, that other dude who out raised the Hillary machine throughout the primary?

You know that guy, what's his name? Why not him?

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
6. Oh, dear, I do agree,but fear TPTB will
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:30 PM
Jun 2016

try everything and anything to stop him.

My question was only raised with respect to
Biden or O'Malley as the other establishment
choice.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
10. Actually, thru Apr 30th, Secretary Clinton and BS have nearly raised the same amount
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:36 PM
Jun 2016

at least according to filings. And now, Secretary Clinton is still bringing in the money ... BS, not so much.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
14. Those corporations are willing to shell out millions to get their candidate elected!
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:46 PM
Jun 2016

Ms. Golden Sacks is the woman for them.

SpareribSP

(325 posts)
4. I don't think anyone really could replace Hillary.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:27 PM
Jun 2016

It'll be madness no matter who it is. I think the best bet really is Bernie, personally. Anyone else would make the system look ridiculously broken.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
9. He already lost a presidential election.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:33 PM
Jun 2016

And he hasn't run in this one.

I don't see why Hillary or any of her friends should be allowed to substitute another candidate in her place, should she withdraw. There are two people running for this spot. If one drops out, it goes to the other.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
11. Then why is Biden mentioned all the time
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:43 PM
Jun 2016

in case something goes wrong?

I don't believe that HRC would give up the
place in spite of an indictment, but if so
why not a very successful SoS?

Yes, to your question about his former run;
however, remember Nixon?

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
15. I have seen some question about Kerry's health recently.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:54 PM
Jun 2016

I don't remember what it was, though.

Although there are plenty of questions about Hillary's health, too.

karynnj

(59,498 posts)
37. His health appears to be enviable for someone his age
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:36 AM
Jun 2016

His wife's health is possibly what you have heard of. Kerry DID seriously break his leg in a bicycle accident, but he was back to heavy travel in a month.

I do not think either the Sanders people or Clinton people would be happy with him. Sanders did praise his work as secretary. Not to mention, he is still very busy as Secretary.

The Clintons never liked him, probably do not forgive him for endorsing Obama and likely blame him for not stonewalling on the email to protect her.

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
13. Viewed differently, her voters rejected the other candidate.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:46 PM
Jun 2016

Her delegates would then be trusted to choose on behalf of her voters.

Under your logic if there was a candidate with 85% of the vote and some gadfly with only 15% and the one with 85% died they would have to nominate the one with 15%. That makes no sense.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
25. If Sanders had 15% of the vote, yeah-- it would be like that.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:03 AM
Jun 2016

He does not. It's a close contest.

If Hillary a corrupt politician drops out of a race because they've been caught in some criminal act, it's absurd to expect their little political faction to be allowed to just insert a replacement.

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
12. Biden is the obvious choice if it comes down to that.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:44 PM
Jun 2016

He's been tested nationally and will continue Obama's legacy.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
16. well, maybe a good portion of Democratic voters...
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:55 PM
Jun 2016

...don't place a lot of importance on Obama's legacy, as demonstrated by their vote for a "revolution."

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
19. He has been vice president on a winning national ticket twice.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:00 PM
Jun 2016

Plus trial heats back when he was discussed showed he was the strongest of the three.

onecaliberal

(32,780 posts)
20. None of those people received even one vote this primary season. It would NOT
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:01 PM
Jun 2016

Be appropriate in any way shape or form.

brooklynite

(94,358 posts)
21. I've been told he's another DLC warmonger who's vote for the IWR was unforgivable...
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:02 PM
Jun 2016

...perhaps I got that wrong...

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
33. He's tan, rested and ready
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:08 AM
Jun 2016

The best way I can think of to get Sanders supporters to give up on the election and stay home would be to parachute Biden into the nomination, nothing would more clearly and obviously make Bernie's point about the corruption of the establishment.

So I suspect it's a done deal...

bjo59

(1,166 posts)
24. I guess if you like things the way they are then you'd hope that someone who hadn't run in the
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:33 PM
Jun 2016

primaries would be shoved ahead of the only candidate who promises to work overtime to reverse the corporate takeover of our government and the candidate who has been awarded 46% of the pledged delegates thus far in the primary season. If the party powers can just pick anyone they want to run for president in a general election, why hold primaries at all? In fact, why hold national general elections at all? Why not let the corporations who already write our laws simply choose who they'd like to live in the White House? (I'm sure it'll come to that eventually anyway.) That kind of "democracy" would be so much better for the "little people" who could then be left to post their selfies and pictures of kittens on Facebook in peace.

Demsrule86

(68,469 posts)
26. It would overturn the will of the voters
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:04 AM
Jun 2016

and Trump would win for sure. Sorry Hillary is the nominee...geez you guys are such haters...Bernie is not worth it.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
32. I think Biden is the logical choice.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:56 AM
Jun 2016

I like Kerry, but I don't think they would turn to him if Biden is available.

I have a few issues with Biden, not the least of which is his track record as enthusiastic proponent of the drug war.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
34. Yeah, the logical choice, Spock would be thrilled
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:19 AM
Jun 2016

I'm having trouble thinking of anything that would more perfectly make Bernie's point regarding the corruption of the establishment than parachuting Biden (or anyone else) into the nomination.

Which is why I think it's damn near certain to happen.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
35. Like I said in the other thread, then they start to try to figure out how to spin or justify it.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:22 AM
Jun 2016

But, yeah.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
36. I've been thinking all along that the establishment would rather Trump than Sanders
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:27 AM
Jun 2016

Parachuting another candidate into the nomination will clinch it for me.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
38. See, I kind of think that the robot is running around with no head, at this point.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:42 AM
Jun 2016

For both parties.

I don't think there is any great plan- Hillary was the one who had the big plan, and got the decks cleared and all the party apparatus lined up--- but if it turns out she's a damaged candidate, then everyone is left standing around not knowing their lines or even what the name of the play is.

How they would explain bringing Biden in to the millions of people who have voted for Sanders is just beyond me. But I do suspect such a scenario would involve something like that.

Very weird times.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
40. I think Boxer gave the purest indication of what the establishment thinks of Sanders
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:01 AM
Jun 2016

Hillary *has* to stay in until the convention else Sanders is something close to the default nominee, since that is unthinkable then a lot of behavior becomes more explicable. Remember HRCs lawyer pointed out she is not legally obligated to answer questions, that sounds like a way of stalling the investigation.

Parachute in a loser, blame the Berniebros for the loss, hunker down through four years of Trump and you're golden is what's going through some minds.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
42. I have to agree
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:11 AM
Jun 2016

that some Hillary backers would rather see Trump than Bernie.

They wouldn't admit it so it's hard to quantify.

But I think it's a likely possibility.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
41. Where do you come off with anyone except the present 'other' candidate
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:11 AM
Jun 2016

who I suspect if not for shenanigans and outright stealing by the dnc/dws crew would be the front runner as I type. Yes I mean Senator Sanders. You know the guy who packs the house time after time day after day no matter where it is he is appearing, yes that guy

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