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portlander23

(2,078 posts)
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 12:59 PM Jun 2016

Why California Now Matters So Much to Bernie Sanders and the Entire Democratic Party

Why California Now Matters So Much to Bernie Sanders and the Entire Democratic Party
Steven Rosenfeld
AlterNet

“When you run using language like this is a revolution, you have to expect a few revolutionaries will show up,” said Deb Kozikowski, a superdelegate from Massachusetts and vice-chair of that state’s Democratic Party, reached by phone on Tuesday.

Kozikowski said that superdelegates and party officials like her were paying careful attention to what was going on with Sanders. She said that Sanders had to ask each state party to put him on the primary or caucus ballot, which they did after he pledged to not bolt and run as a third-party candidate, and also after pledging that he would support the eventual nominee.

The thinking in Democratic Party circles at that time was that perhaps Sanders would get four or five percent of the delegates, she said, and his eventual embrace of the nominee would help contribute to a winning margin in November. Nobody, she said, foresaw his popularity, his message’s power, nor how angry the electorate has become. “Nobody ever figured he was good for more than 4 to 5 percent, but he’s at 40 to 45 percent [of the delegates].”

Kozikowski, who is 61, said she hoped that his supporters and delegates would come to see that change is possible and laudable if it comes in smaller increments than Sanders seeks—which, obviously, is what she sees in Hillary Clinton.

But Sanders supporters on Tuesday said almost the opposite—that more sweeping change is what is needed now, and that the Democratic Party should welcome the energy and vision of their candidate and his messengers.

“We aren’t going there to be window dressing at the convention,” said Sanders national convention delegate Jones. “We aren’t going there to hold up signs and show unity… We are going there because we are principled and as long as Bernie is running in the race, he’s our candidate.”


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Why California Now Matters So Much to Bernie Sanders and the Entire Democratic Party (Original Post) portlander23 Jun 2016 OP
CA is not even remotely as important now. HRC will have the delegates before the polls close there. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #1
You should give Hillary a heads up, so she can cancel those CA appearances winter is coming Jun 2016 #2
Proves nothing other than she is fighting the general election LoverOfLiberty Jun 2016 #14
If you think that CA is not important anymore, I have a NJ turnpike to sell you. JimDandy Jun 2016 #19
It matters to Bernie because after Tuesday he has no place to go but . . . DC. ucrdem Jun 2016 #3
Back to Vermont so he nap beachbumbob Jun 2016 #4
And find those tax returns. ucrdem Jun 2016 #5
and work on his amended tax returns nt DURHAM D Jun 2016 #6
LOL. ucrdem Jun 2016 #7
Figure wher $200 million went with huge loss to Hillary beachbumbob Jun 2016 #8
Apply for a job at FOX ucrdem Jun 2016 #9
To keep a microphone in front of him beachbumbob Jun 2016 #11
Once people get to know him ucrdem Jun 2016 #12
California is irrelevant when it comes to the primary between Hillary and Bernie Cali_Democrat Jun 2016 #10
"Nobody foresaw his popularity, his message’s power, nor how angry the electorate has become" Triana Jun 2016 #13
"Where the HELL have they been?" vintx Jun 2016 #16
Where have I heard a similar phrase? hootinholler Jun 2016 #17
Most of the political pundits said the same thing about then-Senator Barack Obama. Major Hogwash Jun 2016 #21
"Nobody saw" -- that phrase seems to always precede some kind of mea culpa GreatGazoo Jun 2016 #22
It was nice having a candidate in town yesterday Retrograde Jun 2016 #15
And still the people voted for Clinton. seabeyond Jun 2016 #18
If Sanders wins CA, the media will focus on Hillary becoming the presumptive nominee... anotherproletariat Jun 2016 #20
 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
1. CA is not even remotely as important now. HRC will have the delegates before the polls close there.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:05 PM
Jun 2016

Not a chance in hell the supers will ever change. Not happening.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
2. You should give Hillary a heads up, so she can cancel those CA appearances
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:06 PM
Jun 2016

she recently added to her schedule.

LoverOfLiberty

(1,438 posts)
14. Proves nothing other than she is fighting the general election
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:45 PM
Jun 2016

and that winning CA would help her in that regard.

Sanders can't win the nomination so the only thing CA will do for him is stroke his ego and hurt Clinton.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
19. If you think that CA is not important anymore, I have a NJ turnpike to sell you.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 02:57 AM
Jun 2016

Every exit is a U-turn to California.




 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
10. California is irrelevant when it comes to the primary between Hillary and Bernie
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:16 PM
Jun 2016

Hillary won this thing months ago.

I tried to tell you guys, but #BernieMath wouldn't let many folks see the reality.

 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
13. "Nobody foresaw his popularity, his message’s power, nor how angry the electorate has become"
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:42 PM
Jun 2016

These are the out-of-touch words of one of the Democratic establishment's leaders.

There you go.

They don't see their own voters. You know, the non-millionaire ones. The non-dollar bill ones. The PEOPLE.

"Nobody foresaw..."

Where the HELL have they been?

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
17. Where have I heard a similar phrase?
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:00 PM
Jun 2016

I know it was in the last 15 years or so, someone famous said it.

I wish I had a better memory.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
21. Most of the political pundits said the same thing about then-Senator Barack Obama.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 05:39 AM
Jun 2016

They didn't see him coming.

They thought that Hillary would be crowned back in 2008.

Didn't happen.
Will never happen.



GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
22. "Nobody saw" -- that phrase seems to always precede some kind of mea culpa
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 03:45 AM
Jun 2016

You can usually replace it with the words "I didn't see.."

I have an older neighbor who says stuff like that all the time. Whatever he has newly discovered or changed his position on, he will attribute to "everybody." It is kind of cute when he does it. Not so much for the MSM.

Retrograde

(10,129 posts)
15. It was nice having a candidate in town yesterday
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:53 PM
Jun 2016

for something other than a fundraiser priced out of range for most voters. It makes us feel like were almost as important as Iowans or New Hampshirites.

 

anotherproletariat

(1,446 posts)
20. If Sanders wins CA, the media will focus on Hillary becoming the presumptive nominee...
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 03:35 AM
Jun 2016

The polls don't close in CA until 11pm east cost time, so if he wins, many people will be asleep by then. The Wednesday papers will focus on the fact that we finally have our two presumptive nominees. And Hillary's campaign has plans in place for major endorsements starting on Wednesday morning. (This from one of her policy advisers who was the speaker at a fundraising breakfast on Thursday.) When Obama, Biden, Warren, Carter, Gore, etc. start endorsing Hillary, the media will have no choice but to cover those speeches, and everyone will soon forget that there was even a primary in CA.

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