Who are the people who give Sanders a higher % over Trump than Clinton?

[LAS14]

It seems to me that if Sanders is more likely to win against Trump than Clinton is, that in a Clinton/Trump contest, there are Sanders supporters who would go for Trump instead of Clinton. Am I thinking straight about this?

If that is true, what possible reasoning would cause this? How can one support Sanders and then choose Trump over Clinton? I can't think of a political opinion that would fit both Sanders and Trump categories.

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[tonyt53]

1. Just go to the EC map and look. It mirrors the wins for HRC. She wins in a landslide in November.

[SpareribSP]

2. One simple one is younger people who feel betrayed by both parties.

Grew up with Bush, graduated into a bad economy with Obama. Willing to go with anyone or anything that will tear down the establishment.

Others: people who feel very strongly about trade deals. Sexists. People who can't stand Hillary.

I think a lot of these people could be swayed in a well run issues oriented campaign.

[NCTraveler]

4. What isn't establishment about Trump?

He mirrors the republican establishment to a T. Build a wall. Capitalism run amuck. Ban Muslims from entering the country. The list goes on. He is pure republican establishment.

[SpareribSP]

7. His last name isn't Bush

He is in line with traditional Republicans, but he's got a different style, basically. It's not a matter of substance or policy. It's that he came out and almost day one called McCain and Romney losers for instance.

[NCTraveler]

9. That is my point. He is as establishment as they come, just with a different style.

His target as far as anti-establishment voters is to clearly target LIV's. Trump is the perfect representative for their establishment brand.

[SpareribSP]

14. I think that it's more about revenge against the people

Than about changing Republican orthodoxy. I mean, the tea party never really made that much sense either. People were angry, so they just doubled down on a new strain of the Republican brand. Helps them pretend they have a real vision

That's why I think people can be at least swayed from Trump. There's nothing there. Some Sanders supporters might still vote third party, but my guess is that the overall trend will be trying to still push Democrats to the left from within, barring a complete snub.

[NCTraveler]

15. +1 Agree. Thanks for the reply. nt.

[geek tragedy]

12. maybe younger white people, but younger people of color don't dig the short-fingered vulgarian nt

[SpareribSP]

16. Women also don't seem to get along well with Trump

Shocking, I know.

[puffy socks]

21. It's a simple one alright. I grew up with Nixon, Carter, and Reagan. We were just as screwed then

10.8% unemployment rate -the constant "you're lucky to have a job" intimidation so we'd work for pennies , etc. but I didn't go around blaming the Democrats for not getting things done when the country was lied to professionally, and at a time when we couldn't just look it up other expert opinions on the internet. That is true up until around yr 2000.

I'm so tired of these millennials who pretend previous generations haven't been fighting fro Progressive values.

Really? How did we get the civil rights act? How did women get the right to legally sign contracts?
How did women start getting jobs as executives? How did we discover that CEOs were taking so much of the wealth earned by the hands of others?
How in the world did they get all this info on the history of the GOP, the kinds of things they were up to?

From the people who fought from the previous generations, that's who.

Now they pretend they are the only ones who see what's going on and it's laughable ..we KNOW, we've known since before these people were rolling down their prospective Fallopian tubes.

They just haven't figured out you can't fight the system from outside the system unless you want violence and that doesn't jibe with wanting peace, as they claim. I was hoping the millennials would be smarter about unity, they are not.
Good people will be fighting this fight forever. It is an ongoing battle and always has been. The only way to get control without violence is to out number the fanatics from both sides in the established system.

What's really going to bake the noodles of the millennial BoBers is... after 25 years they when they still haven't managed to get past the latest tactics and lies from the right wing, and they still refuse to unify as a team and so don't have free college, universal health care, and the corporations still are still crapping on labor and making trade deals that don't favor them... their children will blame them for not fighting hard enough, for allowing things to remain "status quo" and they will be thrown to the wolves just as they are doing to older generations today.

[reddread]

3. voters

[thesquanderer]

5. People looking for an anti-establishment candidate. People against trade deals.

Also, the difference is not as simple Sanders voters choosing Trump. Some of them could move toward another party candidate (green, libertarian) or stay home.

Bottom line is that there are a group of voters who won't vote for Hillary no matter what, but would consider voting for Bernie.

[corkhead]

6. those who want to throw a wrench in the machine because they feel poweless to do anything else

[Viva_La_Revolution]

8. no, we just won't vote at all. nice broad brush ya got there.

[hobbit709]

10. If you gotta ask, then you'll never understand.

[LAS14]

17. What a ridiculous response. What are you doing in DU? Just here..

... to rant about something?

[LAS14]

31. And have they been dissing people who ask questions...

... for 12 years? More's the pity.

[LibDemAlways]

28. Let's see. You've been here less than 4 months.

The poster you are making an uncalled for remark about has been here 12 years and has posted over 40,000 times. Perhaps someone should ask you what you're doing here other than making unfounded accusations directed at a long time member of this board.

[LAS14]

32. 12 years does nothing to make his/her response less ridiculous.

[Agnosticsherbet]

11. I don't believe Sanders supporters would vote to lower taxes on the rich, deport Muslims, deport

Latinos, jail women who get an abortion, build a wall on the border with Mexico, give nuclear weapons to any country that wants them. Kill women and children in Syria or Iraq, abolish the national minimum wage, appoint Supreme Court Justices to repeal Roe V Wade.

[geek tragedy]

13. low information voters who are responding to the negative press

Clinton and Trump are getting

[karynnj]

18. Sanders has Democratic, lefties, and some libertarians behind him

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My speculation:
The first will almost completely go to HRC. The second will mostly vote or HRC and those that do not will not vote for Trump. The last group is where you get the people who unbelievably shift to Trump.

Libertarian may be a misnomer because it includes anti establishment people who have lost faith that the government works for them.

AS I said speculation.

[larkrake]

30. no, you are right, my few libertarian friends love Bernie, but if it is Hill, they will go Trump

[cemaphonic]

19. It doesn't make sense on a policy scale, but there are a lot of people that vote on feelings

or voters that base their vote around a single issue. Most of the Sanders supporters here are lefty progressives, but elsewhere he has support purely because he is seen as anti-establishment. So if he is eliminated, Trump is the next best fit.

[bunnies]

20. Independents. nt

[BobbyDrake]

22. "The problem is that the people with the most ridiculous ideas are the people most certain of them."

~Bill Maher

[democrattotheend]

23. I know several such people

Many of the ones I know are right-leaning independents with a strong libertarian/anti-establishment tilt. My libertarian boyfriend went out with some friends a few months ago, all of them Libertarian or Republican, and all of them were marveling about the fact that of the five candidates left in the race at that time, the candidate they found the most palatable was Bernie Sanders, the self-avowed socialist. They obviously don't agree with him on many issues, but they like that he is shaking up the party establishment, they agree with him on issues like drug decriminalization and civil liberties, they think he is the most honest candidate in the race, and they are not scared by his economic proposals because they assume they will never pass (sadly, they are probably right).

Many of them prefer Trump over Hillary because he, like Bernie, has shaken up his party establishment, speaks his mind, and comes across as more honest. These guys don't like Trump at all, but they view him as less bad than Hillary.

I think the other group of Bernie/Trump supporters are blue collar "Reagan Democrat" types who have been hit hard by free trade.

[MillennialDem]

24. Millennials, in particular white millennials.

[TheFarseer]

25. To be objective

Trump and Bernie talk about trade deals etc screwing American workers. They also talk about money in politics but I don't think you can take Donald seriously there. Not really sure what else there is besides a general outsider thing going on. Personally, the trade deal thing is a chip for Trump but there are like a dozen things that disqualify Donald from getting my vote automatically like doesn't believe in climate change or minimum wage.

[larkrake]

27. no, you are not thinking straight. Bernie folk will not vote for trump

Indys, both left and right leaning, progressives, minorities and Hill distrusters would vote for Bernie if he were in the General. Indy block is 40% of the voters in the country

Progressives may just go downticket if Hill is in the General, half the Indys, the minorities as well will vote Hillary. She does not enthuse so many will not vote

[lagomorph777]

33. False and tiresome meme. Bernie supporters are the opposite of Trump supporters.

and in practical terms, Hillary supporters are helping Trump by giving him a weak candidate who might not even last the whole race, at the whim of the FBI.

[LAS14]

35. It's a real question based on the fact that Bernie...

... does better against Trump than Clinton. Ergo, if Clinton runs against Trump, some Bernie supporters must be switching to Trump. Right? Not a meme.

It's really frustrating to have every question read as a veiled attack. It's scary that we don't have more civil discourse.

[lumberjack_jeff]

34. I N D E P E N D E N T S

There are disaffected middle and working-class voters out there for whom the logo means little, and who are at best indifferent to the benefits that third world countries derive from our jobs.

I would prefer that they vote democrat, but there are some for whom their progressive purity would be diluted if we nominate a candidate with better credentials, better experience, better policy AND an ability to attract those independents.

[Cheese Sandwich]

36. White people who are sick of getting beat up by "free trade" deals, for example.

Some will go to Trump, it's true. They just hate the system that is screwing them.

Also some are going third party. The Green Party is expecting a very strong year. It's not showing up in the polls yet, but if you read web forums you definitely see a lot of that feeling out there.