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Placebo Ballots: Stealing California From Bernie Using an Old GOP Vote-Snatching Trick
01 June 16
The Best Democracy Money Can Buy: The Election Crimes Bulletin
"Alert! California poll workers have been told to give all independent voters provisional ballots if they want to vote in Democratic Party. Thats illegal and will insure that Sanders voters ballots end up in the garbage, uncounted.
A special bulletin for California voters. And for the rest of you, how this same trickery shifting voters to provisional ballots which are rarely counted can steal the White House and Congress for the GOP in November.
Heres the 411. If youre registered as an independent voter in California, you have the right to vote in the Democratic Presidential Primary. Just ask for the ballot. But look out! Reports out of Orange County are that some poll workers have been told to give No Party Preference (NPP), independent voters, PROVISIONAL ballots as opposed to regular ballots.
Voter, BEWARE! Do NOT accept a PROVISIONAL BALLOT! Theyre really Placebo Ballots they give you the satisfaction of feeling like youve voted, without the inconvenience of anyone actually having to count them! "
http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/37203-placebo-ballots-stealing-california-from-bernie-using-an-old-gop-vote-snatching-trick
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)instead of showing up and then bitching.
stopbush
(24,396 posts)""Alert! California poll workers have been told to give all independent voters provisional ballots if they want to vote in Democratic Party. "
Got a source for that whopper?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)known as the Orange Wall in CA.
I asked local poll workers. They were not told that. But OC... you really have no clue
AntiBank
(1,339 posts)&feature=youtu.be
stopbush
(24,396 posts)and we have a poll worker whose training session instructors gave out bad info.
And why did she post on Bernie sites? She contacted the county and they told her they were given bad info at the training session. And the slide show does discuss crossover ballots, no matter what she says. Seems she's being a bit loose with the facts.
Human error on a very small scale. Hardly some organized, wide-spread attempt at voter disenfranchisement.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)then you can bet that all of their instructors trained every single group of poll workers to perform that same erroneous procedure. That happens because all the instructors go through a "train-the trainers" session where all of them receive the same bad instruction from one single individual who was misinformed... and a cascading mess results. That's almost exactly what happened a decade ago in UT when I was a poll worker.
Why think if?
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)was the same.
That poll worker did exactly what I did: read the poll worker book; discovered the discrepancy btw the book and the training and went to the top to get the authoritative answer. And then, most importantly, she got the word out. Good for her. She likely kept a lot of voters from losing their vote!
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)to give provisional. She then called the County election official and was told she was not being told the truth.
stopbush
(24,396 posts)I applaud her for checking it out, but seriously, to imagine this is some wide-spread plot because one instructor gave bad info to 18 people is paranoid. Humans make mistakes. This mistake was caught and corrected - immediately.
BTW - I live in OC. My voter guide book states the policy exactly as it is explained in the county video. I have discussed the page in the voter guide with my son, who is an NPP. It is clearly explained. If he goes to the polls and is told he is being given a provisional ballot, he will know that is wrong. All he needs do is show the poll workers what it says in the voter guide. If they don't understand it, they call a supervisor or the county office. Simple.
The ONLY people being given a provisional ballot on June 7 with be NPP voters who say they want to vote in the CLOSED R primary. They will be told that their ballots WILL NOT be counted, but that they can fill out the provisional ballot if it makes them feel better.
So, you are wrong by saying not to accept a provisional ballot if you are NPP voter, because if you want to vote in the REPUBLICAN primary as an NPP, that is the only way you can do so - by provisional ballot...and you will be told your vote won't count.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)You know, something we'd expect Republicans to do.
Happyhippychick
(8,379 posts)bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)instead of checking and making sure you get the ballot you wish to...geeze biting at the bit for that 16th to roll around aren't ya.
stopbush
(24,396 posts)One person gave the wrong info to a group of people. There are no other instances being reported of this happening elsewhere outside of that one training session attended by this one person. The mistake was corrected. How is this an issue?
We're not all stupid out here in CA.