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NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:27 PM Jun 2016

Hillary Clinton Supports Death Penalty For Dylann Roof

Hillary Clinton supports the death penalty for Dylann Roof, the accused shooter of nine parishioners at a historically black church in Charleston, South Carolina, her campaign confirmed.

In the week since the Justice Department announced its decision to seek the death penalty in the Roof case, the former secretary of state had held off on weighing in. But in an email to The Huffington Post on Thursday, Clinton's top spokesman, Brian Fallon, said "she respects the Justice Department decision."

In coming out in support of the DOJ's move, Clinton has drawn a contrast between herself and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), whose campaign said he disagreed with the decision.

But the two candidates have never quite seen eye-to-eye on the issue of capital punishment. Sanders has steadfastly rejected its use on moral grounds and in the belief that it does little to actually deter crime. Clinton has said capital punishment should exist but be used only for the most heinous crimes. The shooting at Emanuel AME Church met her definition of heinous.


http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/hillary-clinton-supports-death-penalty-for-dylann-roof_us_57507737e4b0c3752dccde7c/amp

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Hillary Clinton Supports Death Penalty For Dylann Roof (Original Post) NWCorona Jun 2016 OP
Good. Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2016 #1
While I would tend to agree. My opposition to the death penalty NWCorona Jun 2016 #6
There are few times when I support it. Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2016 #8
I'm with Bernie on this one passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #2
"We even execute people who are mentally retarded" imari362 Jun 2016 #9
I agree about the cost associated with death penalty cases demigoddess Jun 2016 #18
Isn't anyone who would go into some place like that and kill innocents, mentally ill? peace13 Jun 2016 #33
or they are very self involved. People who think that they are allowed demigoddess Jun 2016 #37
There's a difference between "mentally ill" and "fucking evil". forjusticethunders Jun 2016 #41
Death would be too merciful. Those same people doing it for "fame" also want an easy out Joob Jun 2016 #44
So do I. n/t zappaman Jun 2016 #3
Sad to see members of this party are fine with this vintx Jun 2016 #4
They're not members of this party. Wilms Jun 2016 #12
Civilized countries should not support the death penalty. HerbChestnut Jun 2016 #5
civilized countries that have gun laws and therefore have fewer demigoddess Jun 2016 #38
The death penalty for anyone imari362 Jun 2016 #7
I don't support the DP leftynyc Jun 2016 #10
I'm a horrible person, I guess Aerows Jun 2016 #25
It doesn't make us horrible leftynyc Jun 2016 #48
I can't scare up Aerows Jun 2016 #49
Normally against death penalty but even I have no problem with this one. UMTerp01 Jun 2016 #11
What's different about the cases where you don't support the Death Penalty? Wilms Jun 2016 #13
The heinousness of the crime and the proof positive evidence that he did it UMTerp01 Jun 2016 #16
I find all murder heinous. So that's not a deal maker for me. Wilms Jun 2016 #19
Great for you!!! We have differing opinions. How fab! UMTerp01 Jun 2016 #26
And you know of his being mentally ill, how? 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #32
He isn't? Wilms Jun 2016 #35
He hasn't been adjudicated so ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #40
It's so funny, no matter how traditionally right wing her policy is... Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #14
In cases where there is no question of guilt auntpurl Jun 2016 #15
He deserves it KingFlorez Jun 2016 #17
Not at all shocked to see who does and who doesn't support the DP here. frylock Jun 2016 #20
Was just thinking that when I scrolled upon your post. Wilms Jun 2016 #36
Yep--Pretty much divided between HRC (pro death penalty) and Bernie folks (against death penalty) panader0 Jun 2016 #43
I don't but that is a principle thing nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #21
Maybe she does support it, but that's not what the article says. Garrett78 Jun 2016 #22
The DP should be abolished. #TwoDegreesOfSaudiArabia TheBlackAdder Jun 2016 #23
Can't criticize her on that one. Aerows Jun 2016 #24
Good decision. He does deserve the death penalty. n/t Lil Missy Jun 2016 #27
i agree with bernie on the dp shanti Jun 2016 #28
Good ... So do I. 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #29
I am all for it in this case Tarc Jun 2016 #30
All terrorist deserve the death penalty if found guilty I don't want a penny of tax money I pay beachbum bob Jun 2016 #31
You understand that the DP is more costly that life in prison right? panader0 Jun 2016 #45
He deserves it. Nt taught_me_patience Jun 2016 #34
I'm having a hard time feeling bad about that. Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #39
It's a no brainier. He's the poster boy for execution. Philly-Union-Man Jun 2016 #42
Breivik in Norway killed 80 kids and they never discussed executing him Recursion Jun 2016 #47
That's unfortunate. O'Malley's abolition of the DP in Maryland sealed him as my candidate Recursion Jun 2016 #46
 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
1. Good.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:30 PM
Jun 2016

So do I. Racist, murderous fuck doesn't deserve to breathe the same air as the rest of the planet.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
6. While I would tend to agree. My opposition to the death penalty
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:35 PM
Jun 2016

Puts me in a position of not being able to pick and choose who gets the needle.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
8. There are few times when I support it.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:38 PM
Jun 2016

This is one. Taking out OBL was another. Tim McVeigh as well.
Heinous murders with extenuating circumstances. Acts of terrorism.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
2. I'm with Bernie on this one
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:31 PM
Jun 2016

I believe capital punishment belittles us as a country. Putting him away for life is also much less expensive. And we already spend way too much on prisons, litigation over convictions and sentences.

While we know for a fact that Dylan is guilty, it doesn't mean we have the right to take a human life because he did. That sets us apart from countries that don't value human life. Except, apparently we don't either. We even execute people who are mentally retarded.

demigoddess

(6,640 posts)
18. I agree about the cost associated with death penalty cases
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 05:01 PM
Jun 2016

but I really think these people who go into some place, school, church etc and kill numerous people should be the ONLY ones up for the death penalty. Not the ones who are really mentally ill , but the ones who do it for fame.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
33. Isn't anyone who would go into some place like that and kill innocents, mentally ill?
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 06:33 PM
Jun 2016

I vote yes.

demigoddess

(6,640 posts)
37. or they are very self involved. People who think that they are allowed
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 07:14 PM
Jun 2016

to do anything they want. People with a strong belief in a stupid idea.

 

forjusticethunders

(1,151 posts)
41. There's a difference between "mentally ill" and "fucking evil".
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 07:32 PM
Jun 2016

Dylann Roof is absolutely the latter. Ice the motherfucker.

WITH THAT SAID, I oppose the DP in most cases, largely because of the issue of wrongful convictions and disproportional racial impact. But when it comes to people like Roof, then yes.

Joob

(1,065 posts)
44. Death would be too merciful. Those same people doing it for "fame" also want an easy out
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 07:39 PM
Jun 2016

Why give it to them? They should be punished for life. Stuck in solitude,with only the thoughts of the injustices they may have committed.

 

vintx

(1,748 posts)
4. Sad to see members of this party are fine with this
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:33 PM
Jun 2016

The rest of the modern world moves forward while we keep falling behind

 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
5. Civilized countries should not support the death penalty.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:34 PM
Jun 2016

It's a barbaric practice that needs to end. Lock these people up for the rest of their lives, but don't sink to killing them. The death penalty is essentially legalized murder.

imari362

(311 posts)
7. The death penalty for anyone
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:35 PM
Jun 2016

I would never support.
Roof is one of the most despicable disgusting humans I've seen in a long while still sucking air but I won't support even that in his case....let him suck prison air with his very last breath on earth.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
48. It doesn't make us horrible
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 05:13 AM
Jun 2016

I makes us very human. He contributes nothing positive to the world.

 

UMTerp01

(1,048 posts)
11. Normally against death penalty but even I have no problem with this one.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:40 PM
Jun 2016

Call me wishy washy or whatever. I don't give a damn. This one I'm turning the other cheek on. That son of a bitch deserves to die!!!! Was welcomed into that church and sat during a time of peace and Bible prayer only to open up the worst kind of assault on those people. Yeah no. He deserves to die and I don't give a damn if anyone disagrees.

 

UMTerp01

(1,048 posts)
16. The heinousness of the crime and the proof positive evidence that he did it
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:57 PM
Jun 2016

I feel the same in other death penalty cases that are particularly egregious. Thats the difference. Not that difficult to understand actually.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
19. I find all murder heinous. So that's not a deal maker for me.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 05:01 PM
Jun 2016

The fact that the guy is mentally ill, and some of the victims families are trying to forgive him, also gives me great pause.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
40. He hasn't been adjudicated so ...
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 07:28 PM
Jun 2016

and since his trial is coming up and it hasn't been raised as an issue, nor am I aware that the insanity defense is to be raised ... I think his attorneys, the state and the courts, don't think he is.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
14. It's so funny, no matter how traditionally right wing her policy is...
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:49 PM
Jun 2016

....the people who worship her still eat it up with a spoon. It use amaze me, now it's just laughable.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
15. In cases where there is no question of guilt
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:54 PM
Jun 2016

and the crime is especially heinous, like this one, I am fine with the death penalty.

If there is any question of a defendant's guilt, the death penalty should not be used. This is, of course, my own personal opinion.

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
17. He deserves it
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 05:00 PM
Jun 2016

Roof is a monster who murdered innocent people, so it's understandable why some people would agree with the Department of Justice's decision. And let's be real, there is a possibility that he would be killed in prison anyway, since prisoners frown upon crimes like this. He's probably too isolated for that to happen anyway.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
20. Not at all shocked to see who does and who doesn't support the DP here.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 05:37 PM
Jun 2016

I am adamantly against capital punishment under any and all circumstances.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
36. Was just thinking that when I scrolled upon your post.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 06:45 PM
Jun 2016

Upthread, I commented and asked a question. Should have worn an asbestos suit.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
43. Yep--Pretty much divided between HRC (pro death penalty) and Bernie folks (against death penalty)
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 07:38 PM
Jun 2016

Quite telling.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
22. Maybe she does support it, but that's not what the article says.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 05:54 PM
Jun 2016

It simply says "she respects the Justice Department decision." Typically, that's a way of saying, "It's their decision to make and not my place to criticize."

There's no telling how Clinton truly feels about the death penalty. Obama was probably for gay marriage long before he was willing to acknowledge as much. If a mass movement leads to abolishing the death penalty, Clinton won't stand in the way. Let's face it, politicians (particularly those who are or might become POTUS) say and do what is politically expedient. Sanders is and always has been more free to speak his mind, because his campaign is a message campaign.

The bottom line is that systemic changes require mass movements. In a very individualistic culture, we tend to overestimate the power and influence of individual actors. Getting rid of the death penalty requires mass organization.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
24. Can't criticize her on that one.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 06:02 PM
Jun 2016

I'm not going to contort myself trying to justify why his behind shouldn't fry like an egg, either.

I'll wait for the condemnation that is sure to come, but that dude was a terrorist shooting people in church, and *nothing* makes that okay to offer "leniency".

shanti

(21,675 posts)
28. i agree with bernie on the dp
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 06:12 PM
Jun 2016

too many innocent people have died who WEREN'T guilty. however heinous the crime, 60+ years in prison would be hell on earth to most. it's NOT lenient. being put to death is easier. ask some of the people on california's death row...

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
29. Good ... So do I.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 06:14 PM
Jun 2016

This isn't a case of sketchy forensic evidence; or, a 8 month, after the fact, near-sighted witness from across the street at midnight ID by a jailhouse informant.

There is no question that Roof committed these murders.

Tarc

(10,475 posts)
30. I am all for it in this case
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 06:14 PM
Jun 2016

Even moreso for for that nutjob who shot up Planned Parenthood last year.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
31. All terrorist deserve the death penalty if found guilty I don't want a penny of tax money I pay
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 06:16 PM
Jun 2016

to support their sorry asses

 

Philly-Union-Man

(79 posts)
42. It's a no brainier. He's the poster boy for execution.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 07:37 PM
Jun 2016

There's no chance the wrong guy will be killed, no chance he's innocent. Multiple cold blooded murders based on racism.

He should have been hanged the day after.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
47. Breivik in Norway killed 80 kids and they never discussed executing him
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 09:13 PM
Jun 2016

His "motive" was as transparently racist as Roof's. There's a better way.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
46. That's unfortunate. O'Malley's abolition of the DP in Maryland sealed him as my candidate
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 09:12 PM
Jun 2016

We don't prove killing people is wrong by killing people who kill people.

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