2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary Clinton Supports Death Penalty For Dylann Roof
Hillary Clinton supports the death penalty for Dylann Roof, the accused shooter of nine parishioners at a historically black church in Charleston, South Carolina, her campaign confirmed.
In the week since the Justice Department announced its decision to seek the death penalty in the Roof case, the former secretary of state had held off on weighing in. But in an email to The Huffington Post on Thursday, Clinton's top spokesman, Brian Fallon, said "she respects the Justice Department decision."
In coming out in support of the DOJ's move, Clinton has drawn a contrast between herself and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), whose campaign said he disagreed with the decision.
But the two candidates have never quite seen eye-to-eye on the issue of capital punishment. Sanders has steadfastly rejected its use on moral grounds and in the belief that it does little to actually deter crime. Clinton has said capital punishment should exist but be used only for the most heinous crimes. The shooting at Emanuel AME Church met her definition of heinous.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/hillary-clinton-supports-death-penalty-for-dylann-roof_us_57507737e4b0c3752dccde7c/amp
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)So do I. Racist, murderous fuck doesn't deserve to breathe the same air as the rest of the planet.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Puts me in a position of not being able to pick and choose who gets the needle.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)This is one. Taking out OBL was another. Tim McVeigh as well.
Heinous murders with extenuating circumstances. Acts of terrorism.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)I believe capital punishment belittles us as a country. Putting him away for life is also much less expensive. And we already spend way too much on prisons, litigation over convictions and sentences.
While we know for a fact that Dylan is guilty, it doesn't mean we have the right to take a human life because he did. That sets us apart from countries that don't value human life. Except, apparently we don't either. We even execute people who are mentally retarded.
imari362
(311 posts)Sad commentary for a "Great Nation"
demigoddess
(6,640 posts)but I really think these people who go into some place, school, church etc and kill numerous people should be the ONLY ones up for the death penalty. Not the ones who are really mentally ill , but the ones who do it for fame.
peace13
(11,076 posts)I vote yes.
demigoddess
(6,640 posts)to do anything they want. People with a strong belief in a stupid idea.
forjusticethunders
(1,151 posts)Dylann Roof is absolutely the latter. Ice the motherfucker.
WITH THAT SAID, I oppose the DP in most cases, largely because of the issue of wrongful convictions and disproportional racial impact. But when it comes to people like Roof, then yes.
Joob
(1,065 posts)Why give it to them? They should be punished for life. Stuck in solitude,with only the thoughts of the injustices they may have committed.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)vintx
(1,748 posts)The rest of the modern world moves forward while we keep falling behind
Wilms
(26,795 posts)It's an occupation force.
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)It's a barbaric practice that needs to end. Lock these people up for the rest of their lives, but don't sink to killing them. The death penalty is essentially legalized murder.
demigoddess
(6,640 posts)murders. Fewer people running amok.
imari362
(311 posts)I would never support.
Roof is one of the most despicable disgusting humans I've seen in a long while still sucking air but I won't support even that in his case....let him suck prison air with his very last breath on earth.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)but I wont shed one tear over that piece of shit.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)but if he fries, I won't she a tear, either.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)I makes us very human. He contributes nothing positive to the world.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)a positive feeling for evil. It's just not in me.
UMTerp01
(1,048 posts)Call me wishy washy or whatever. I don't give a damn. This one I'm turning the other cheek on. That son of a bitch deserves to die!!!! Was welcomed into that church and sat during a time of peace and Bible prayer only to open up the worst kind of assault on those people. Yeah no. He deserves to die and I don't give a damn if anyone disagrees.
Wilms
(26,795 posts)UMTerp01
(1,048 posts)I feel the same in other death penalty cases that are particularly egregious. Thats the difference. Not that difficult to understand actually.
Wilms
(26,795 posts)The fact that the guy is mentally ill, and some of the victims families are trying to forgive him, also gives me great pause.
UMTerp01
(1,048 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Wilms
(26,795 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)and since his trial is coming up and it hasn't been raised as an issue, nor am I aware that the insanity defense is to be raised ... I think his attorneys, the state and the courts, don't think he is.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)....the people who worship her still eat it up with a spoon. It use amaze me, now it's just laughable.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)and the crime is especially heinous, like this one, I am fine with the death penalty.
If there is any question of a defendant's guilt, the death penalty should not be used. This is, of course, my own personal opinion.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)Roof is a monster who murdered innocent people, so it's understandable why some people would agree with the Department of Justice's decision. And let's be real, there is a possibility that he would be killed in prison anyway, since prisoners frown upon crimes like this. He's probably too isolated for that to happen anyway.
frylock
(34,825 posts)I am adamantly against capital punishment under any and all circumstances.
Wilms
(26,795 posts)Upthread, I commented and asked a question. Should have worn an asbestos suit.
panader0
(25,816 posts)Quite telling.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Garrett78
(10,721 posts)It simply says "she respects the Justice Department decision." Typically, that's a way of saying, "It's their decision to make and not my place to criticize."
There's no telling how Clinton truly feels about the death penalty. Obama was probably for gay marriage long before he was willing to acknowledge as much. If a mass movement leads to abolishing the death penalty, Clinton won't stand in the way. Let's face it, politicians (particularly those who are or might become POTUS) say and do what is politically expedient. Sanders is and always has been more free to speak his mind, because his campaign is a message campaign.
The bottom line is that systemic changes require mass movements. In a very individualistic culture, we tend to overestimate the power and influence of individual actors. Getting rid of the death penalty requires mass organization.
TheBlackAdder
(28,169 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)I'm not going to contort myself trying to justify why his behind shouldn't fry like an egg, either.
I'll wait for the condemnation that is sure to come, but that dude was a terrorist shooting people in church, and *nothing* makes that okay to offer "leniency".
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)shanti
(21,675 posts)too many innocent people have died who WEREN'T guilty. however heinous the crime, 60+ years in prison would be hell on earth to most. it's NOT lenient. being put to death is easier. ask some of the people on california's death row...
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)This isn't a case of sketchy forensic evidence; or, a 8 month, after the fact, near-sighted witness from across the street at midnight ID by a jailhouse informant.
There is no question that Roof committed these murders.
Tarc
(10,475 posts)Even moreso for for that nutjob who shot up Planned Parenthood last year.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)to support their sorry asses
panader0
(25,816 posts)Besides being immoral.
taught_me_patience
(5,477 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Philly-Union-Man
(79 posts)There's no chance the wrong guy will be killed, no chance he's innocent. Multiple cold blooded murders based on racism.
He should have been hanged the day after.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)His "motive" was as transparently racist as Roof's. There's a better way.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)We don't prove killing people is wrong by killing people who kill people.