Hillary Clinton is more hawkish than Trump by moving to the right

[Harmony Blue]

That is sad and scary that this is the reality of the situation. Dark days ahead for the the Democratic party.

[okasha]

1. Absurd statement.

You're trying too hard.

[Luminous Animal]

13. Not absurd at all. Neocon John Podhoretz 100% agrees.

Now, there will be untold thousands of words of analysis devoted to this address, and much of it will properly center on the areas in which she factitiously and falsely defended her and Barack Obama’s foreign-policy choices from the Russian reset in 2009 to Syria in 2012 and, most especially, the Iran deal. But in its immediate aftermath, what is most striking is how determinedly Clinton decided to move herself to the center, edging to the center-right, on foreign policy matters and most especially on the complex issue of American exceptionalism.

With a few deletions and emendations here and there, this could have been Marco Rubio’s stump speech. It was many clicks to the right of Barack Obama

https://www.commentarymagazine.com/politics-ideas/campaigns-elections/hillary-clinton-anti-trump-speech/

And, in case you've forgotten what a shithead he is…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Podhoretz#Iraq_War

[okasha]

18. "More hawkish than Trump."

Absurd and untrue.

I should accept a "shithead's" analysis? I don't think so.

[Reter]

14. Who supports a No-Fly Zone in Syria?

Hint: Not Trump.

[okasha]

19. Who supports proliferation of nuclear weapons.

Not Hillary.

[Reter]

20. Who supported George Bush and his illegal war?

Hint: Not Trump.

[okasha]

24. What angry, bitter, defeatef candidate has become a stalkeoming horse for Trump?

Not Hillary.

[creeksneakers2]

25. Trump did

At least he told Howard Stern he was OK with the war. He lies about that now.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

28. Does that make you more or less likely to vote for him?

[HumanityExperiment]

27. not really...

excerpts from her speech today

"Fifth, we need a real plan for confronting terrorists. As we saw six months ago in San Bernardino, the threat is real and urgent. Over the past year, I’ve laid out my plans for defeating ISIS.
We need to take out their strongholds in Iraq and Syria by intensifying the air campaign and stepping up our support for Arab and Kurdish forces on the ground."

Now she's throwing Obama under the bus? 'we need a real plan for confronting terrorists'? Obama doesn't have a real plan being acted upon currently?



"And one more thing. A President has a sacred responsibility to send our troops into battle only if we absolutely must, and only with a clear and well-thought-out strategy. Our troops give their all. They deserve a commander-in-chief who knows that."

Where does Libya fall into the category of 'well thought out'?

[mac56]

2. Anyone who can't count on the fingers of one hand the ways Trump will outflank Hillary on the left

is being willfully ignorant.

[Renew Deal]

4. Does that make you more or less likely to vote for him?

[Renew Deal]

3. Yes, she's more hawkish than the guy that wants to give nukes to the Saudi's

And wants to kill family members of terrorists.

Genius

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. Yes, she's more hawkish than the guy who wants to torture terrorists and nuke ISIS

[brush]

7. So why are you here? Your views don't fit in too well here.

[Renew Deal]

8. It is. This is not the place for you

[mac56]

10. I wouldn't put on any long-playing records if I were you.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. This is silly...

my center views: no gay marriage but allow domestic partnerships, a compromise to make everybody happy.

We would be going backwards... A super majority is already used to the idea.


Scratch that, the whole screed is inane.

[jack_krass]

21. Sounds like Hillary_v2012

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. Stare decisis says hi.

What part of "We would be going backwards... A super majority is already used to the idea. " don't you understand ?


Marriage equality is the law of the land!!!

[Dem2]

6. You seem to be supporting the positions of Trump the Nazi.

Not good.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. "Does that make you more or less likely to vote for him?"

[On the Road]

15. While it Seems Silly,

it is worth noting that Clinton voted for the Iraq War Resolution, while Trump was on record against the war.

[TwilightZone]

23. "Trump was on record against the war." -- nope, not until everyone else was against it, as well.

He was for it before he was against it. Story of his life.

[RobertEarl]

35. I hate repeating Trump

But he called the Iraq invasion "A pack of lies"

[On the Road]

16. dupe

[democrattotheend]

17. I used to think her hawkishness was just talk to compensate for being a woman

But I read something recently in the NYT that made me realize she really believes it. That scares me.

That said, I am a LOT more comfortable with Hillary having the nuclear launch codes than Trump. Even if the policies she advocates are more hawkish, she is not crazy and unstable, and she knows what she is doing.

[Shemp Howard]

26. Hillary wants a no-fly zone over Syria!

A no-fly zone over Syria could very well spark a war between the US and Russia. Putin would not back down. It would be 1914 all over again.

Has Trump advocated such an insane policy? No. So the original poster is, sadly, correct. Hillary is more hawkish than anybody.

No more wars, please.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. Does that make you more or less likely to vote for him?

-BirthDemocratSince

[Shemp Howard]

30. I will write-in Bernie.

No more wars, please.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

31. Good luck.

[Shemp Howard]

32. It's not an easy call.

Some people say that a write-in vote for Bernie in the general election is mathematically a vote for Trump. I respect that argument.

But suppose you are offered a choice, to be poked in one eye (ie, vote for Hillary), or be poked in both eyes (ie, vote for Trump). Which would you choose?

As for me, I would reject the entire premise. I don't want to be poked in the eye, period. So I would write-in Bernie, and then let the chips fall where they may.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

33. To me Trump is Hitler so it's an easy call...

If folks would have taken him at his word six million of my co-religionists wouldn't have been liquidated and four continents might not have been thrown into war.

[Shemp Howard]

36. I invoke Godwin's Law at this point.

I will not vote for a clownish loose cannon (Trump).
And I will not vote for a casual warmonger ("We came, we saw, he died", Hillary).

I need to be able to sleep at night.

[Renew Deal]

34. Bernie wants to arm the various factions in the middle east and let them duke it out

That will spark a war in the Middle East.