One Person Attacked Hillary for Her Brilliant, Blistering Destruction of Donald: Bernie Sanders

[madamvlb]

One Person Attacked Hillary for Her Brilliant, Blistering Destruction of Donald: Bernie Sanders
By Melissa McEwan
June 2, 2016
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Following Hillary Clinton’s epic takedown of Donald Trump during a foreign policy address, Bernie Sanders responded in the most aggressively unhelpful and useless way possible: Hitting Hillary for her Iraq vote.

MODESTO, Calif. – U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders on Thursday issued the following statement after Hillary Clinton delivered a speech criticizing Donald Trump’s foreign policy vision:

“I agree with Secretary Clinton that Donald Trump’s foreign policy ideas are incredibly reckless and irresponsible. But when it comes to foreign policy, we cannot forget that Secretary Clinton voted for the war in Iraq, the worst foreign policy blunder in modern American history, and that she has been a proponent of regime change, as in Libya, without thinking through the consequences.

“We need a foreign policy based on building coalitions and making certain that the brave American men and women in our military do not get bogged down in perpetual warfare in the Middle East. That’s what I will fight for as president.”


That’s it. That’s the entire thing. “Sanders Statement on Foreign Policy,” which would be more aptly titled, “Sanders Continues to Run Against the Democrats; Says Something Ridiculous; Still Isn’t Doing a Thing to Defeat Donald Trump.”

I honestly don’t know if I could conceive of something that more pointedly exemplifies why I have lost so much regard for Bernie—the announcement of whose candidacy I greeted with heart emojis. No really.



Bernie has said, repeatedly, that he’s not going to help a rightwing Republican get elected; that he will “do everything [he] can” to prevent a Donald Trump presidency.

But in response to Hillary unleashing a fierce and fiery and important attack on Donald’s reckless foreign policy proposals, unapologetic bigotry, and wretched temperament, Bernie doesn’t back her up. He doesn’t unleash his own equally devastating assault on the reckless and contemptible Trump. No. He goes after Hillary.

He accuses her of not “thinking through the consequences” of the intervention in Libya. Now, I had a number of foreign policy disagreements with Team Obama-Clinton over their shared tenure, but never once would I have suggested that they hadn’t thought long and hard about the decisions they made. That is the primary reason I support both of them as strongly as I do: I trust that they came to their decisions in good faith, prioritizing diplomacy and regarding military intervention as a last resort, and, most crucially, after careful and sensitive deliberations.

The suggestion that Hillary doesn’t consider consequences of her decisions is one of the most absurd—and, frankly, nasty—accusations I have heard in a long time.

And he again brings up her Iraq vote, which—setting aside the not insignificant detail that it was not a direct vote for war—she has herself said she got wrong: “As the war dragged on, with every letter I sent to a family in New York who had lost a son or daughter, a father or mother, my mistake [became] more painful. I thought I had acted in good faith and made the best decision I could with the information I had. And I wasn’t alone in getting it wrong. But I still got it wrong. Plain and simple.”

It’s one thing to bring up a mistake someone’s made when they refuse to acknowledge the mistake. When someone has said they got something wrong, and speaks publicly about how painful it was to reckon with getting it wrong, beating them over the head with it doesn’t actually serve any decent or meaningful purpose.

Especially not when there’s no reason, none, to invoke that error except to hurt that person. Bernie has lost the primary. The only worthwhile thing he can do at this point is parlay his new-found (though waning) influence into defeating Donald Trump.

But instead, he’s still attacking Hillary, in the most cynical and vain way. And squandering serious opportunities to make a case against a dangerous rightwing extremist, in favor of undercutting the woman who has the best—the only—chance at stopping him.

And that is unforgivable.





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[Barack_America]

1. Propaganda site. And, yeah, Hillary has made some horrifically shitty FP decisions.

Fact.

[winter is coming]

18. Which is what made this speech not nearly so brilliant as some believe.

She wants to claim Trump would be a disaster at FP? Well and good; she's almost certainly right about that. Problem is, she's made a lot of disastrous calls and she just handed him an engraved invitation to focus on that--and that's supposed to be her strength.

[Barack_America]

29. FP is also probably what progressives hate the most about Hillary.

Remind me, are there any progressives in California?

And, oh my God, must she be confidant in that server's security. After this speech, if one singular email made it into Russia or Chinas's hands...

[winter is coming]

38. I don't think she's confident about that at all. It's just that whether or not

Russia or China got into her emails is tomorrow's problem--or, if she's lucky, some tomorrow that's still many days away. Today's problem was generating something positive for the media to focus on for a news cycle or two. What she did today will play very well with people who already support her. How well it will go down with anyone else remains to be seen.

[CorporatistNation]

80. No Foreign Policy There That Was THERE! All Trump Bashing And Hypocritical At That!

Her pre-programmed jokes about failing golf course projects was not well thought out... I guess they figured that we all forgot about her misguided judgements in Iraq, Libya, Honduras... Blumenthal consults... LAUGHABLE!

[840high]

159. We won't forget.

[dinkytron]

132. Listening to Rachel, Tweety and the entire shill posse go on about this was pathetic.

[dana_b]

43. yep! Actions, not words.

And her judgment is terrible.

[CorporatistNation]

46. Spot On For Bernie... Hillary Has What Can ONLY Be Described As A HORRENDOUS Record in FP!

Iraq, Libya ... Honduras... Consulting Sydney for "pointers..." Come on... The ONLY SANE and TRUSTWORTHY person on Foreign Policy is one Senator Bernie Sanders... I do not have confidence in Mrs Hillary "No Fly Zone" Clinton when it comes to war and peace.

Today she laughably criticized Donald as in... "No need to be concerned about people dying over a failed golf course venture" or words to that effect... Which is grossly hypocritical when you consider all of her reckless judgements re: Libya, Iraq... Mis management and /or inattention to Benghazi... Now in those instances ... more than a few people died... notwithstanding her support for the coup in Honduras ... to overthrow a Democratically elected President... Then "installing" a puppet and all is well. WE are sick of this genre' of BS from OUR government...

Bernie is qualified... Hillary... Donald? ehhh?

[Luminous Animal]

2. And NeoCon John Podhoretz praised her for her right wing foreign policy. Bernie was right to

criticize her. When you've got right wing assholes supporting your policy, perhaps it is time to question it.

Now, there will be untold thousands of words of analysis devoted to this address, and much of it will properly center on the areas in which she factitiously and falsely defended her and Barack Obama’s foreign-policy choices from the Russian reset in 2009 to Syria in 2012 and, most especially, the Iran deal. But in its immediate aftermath, what is most striking is how determinedly Clinton decided to move herself to the center, edging to the center-right, on foreign policy matters and most especially on the complex issue of American exceptionalism.

With a few deletions and emendations here and there, this could have been Marco Rubio’s stump speech. It was many clicks to the right of Barack Obama

https://www.commentarymagazine.com/politics-ideas/campaigns-elections/hillary-clinton-anti-trump-speech/

And, in case you've forgotten what a shithead he is…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Podhoretz#Iraq_War

[Demsrule86]

9. Trump praises Bernie nt

[geek tragedy]

14. Neocons hating Trump is one of the rare times they're right

Trump is a less civilized and sane version of Pat Buchanan.

[Barack_America]

30. And their loving of Hillary?

[MADem]

144. Sanders has fans on the right--some of 'em, on the FAR right. What about that, hmmm?

This has been noted across the spectrum of publications, liberal, conservative and in-between.

http://thefederalist.com/2015/08/05/bernie-sanders-the-principled-conservative-for-2016/

http://time.com/4170591/bernie-sanders-immigration-conservatives/

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/11/the-lifelong-conservatives-who-love-bernie-sanders/417441/

http://www.thenation.com/article/whats-wrong-with-bernie-sanderss-strategy/


Social media presence:

https://www.facebook.com/republicansforbernie/

https://www.facebook.com/ConservativesForBernie/


And, just so there's no question, SANDERS HIMSELF reached out and sold himself as a viable candidate for conservative voters (there's even film at the link):

http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/bernie-sanders-conservatives-vote-220971

And then the gun thing....


http://www.mediaite.com/online/bernie-sanders-chasing-white-votes-with-gun-control-stubbornness/

Soooooo....we're looking at quite the glass house, there.

[jack_krass]

65. LOL youre a riot.

[geek tragedy]

68. No, what's a riot are people who come on this board and argue

that Clinton could be worse than Trump.

14 days. Tick tock tick tock.

Bye.

[jack_krass]

88. They are both catastrphically bad, horrible candidates, your just under the spell of one of them...

FFS, all the PNAC and neocons are lining up behind Hillary. What does this tell you?

[GRhodes]

104. 14 days until this

tiny corner of the political universe allows you to say easily refutable comments with far less rebuttals. Will help you feel better about yourself, and your arguments.

[MADem]

143. +1,000,000!

Really! Why not make it easy for us, and simply walk about wearing a sign instead!

[HERVEPA]

154. And bye with obnoxious posts like yours here.

[Luminous Animal]

87. Embracing neocons in order to defeat Bernie.

[CorporatistNation]

49. AND OBAMA IS Not exactly a "Leftie..."

Nice point!

[beachbumbob]

3. Sanders is a joke..Scorched earth on Hillary...

Betrayal at every chance...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. Every time I want to make nice with him and his supporters he does crap like this...

His narcissism makes Napoleon look downright humble.

[brush]

35. Seems he can't help himself — rail at "the establishment" whereever and whenever

He's been doing it his whole career as an independent, doesn't seem to realize he's part of a party now and maybe should stop the attacks on party members — especially when they're going after republicans.

And I might add — especially since he's lost.

[GRhodes]

105. Tell me about it

The actual existing establishment has put in place policies that have led to decades long economic decline, crumbling infrastructure, leading us to ecological collapse and have started one immoral and costly foreign policy disaster after another. Why in the world would anyone want to critique such a crappy group of people and ideas when things are going so well (for them)?

[brush]

141. Well why did he join then? What BS. No one forced him.

He could've stayed a little-known independent socialist from a small state, but no, he wanted the Dem party brand to get national name recognition and TV exposure in the debates.

So if what you're saying about the existing Dem "establishment" is true, was Sanders so naive not to know that when he joined? Of course not, he wanted what he wanted, a national platform for his ambition.

There's a word for that. No two words — user and hypocrite.

[GRhodes]

145. Or, outside your little bubble

It's called pragmatism. He debated whether or not to join your party, and had concerns because of its constraints and corruption. He made the right decision and has pushed the entire conversation to the left, and back towards popular opinion. Without him, Clinton would have had a coronation and the turnout would be zilch, as it still might be. He made the right decision and the Democrats' corruption, Clinton's support from Wall Street, corporate interests, the corporate media, the DNC, and the fact that the entirety of the party has moved well to the right of where it used to be, was too much to overcome. Should be a lesson for the left, it has no home in either party and has to go in another direction.

[brush]

146. He's just not the right progressive. He's no Warren.

And you don't see her constantly attacking the party she's a member of, she attacks Trump.

And if you think another party is the right direction, please do it, by all means.

But those $27 dollar donations, idealistic and nice as they sound, and which seem to have dried up btw, will be swamped in a general election against Koch and Adelson billions.

But Sanders' campaign won't find that out this time his primary election effort has fallen short.

[GRhodes]

147. First off

Those "idealistic" donations (which makes no sense) have beaten back a candidate in Clinton that has massive amounts of money, she's gotten more money from Wall Street than all the other campaigns combined in both parties this election cycle, she's had tons of media support, and the DNC has not only been openly biased towards her, they've helped her evade campaign donation laws. If independents were allowed to take part in the Democrats' primaries freely in all states (and why the hell shouldn't they be allowed to, their tax dollars pay for it and we're supposed to be a democracy/republic), this election would be radically different.

Beyond that, he's killing Trump nationally, and in things like trust and likeability. He also could have said lots of things about Clinton that he simply didn't, or only hinted at, and Trump and the Republicans are going to say all of that, and more. She's not only a horrible candidate, she's going to have a really negative impact on other races. They'd have one thing on him, the socialist label, and it no longer works. Everyone knows he calls himself a democratic socialist and no one gives a damn because for once a person calling themselves a socialist is able on the national stage to explain what that is, instead of the enemies of socialism, and people like what they hear. They agree with him on the issues, polls show this. That money also wasn't able to beat Trump, the Kochs opposed him with all their might, because the country is pissed and hates the establishment. That's why the two likely major party nominees are the most unpopular major party nominees in polling history. The groups that nominated these two duds live in two bubbles.

I also am leaving, as are a huge number of people in this country. A far larger percentage of the public refuses to identify with either party (much larger now than those considering themselves Democrats), that number is growing, and a large percentage of people want a third and fourth party to run. Sanders also does much better with that group than either major party candidate, which is telling.

You all have a lot of work in catching up to these changes, cause you're doing a bad job of making sense of them.

[brush]

148. Is that Bernie math? "He's beaten back a candidate in Clinton who . . ."

has massive amounts of money . . ."

How has he beaten anyone back but is behind? Is that how winning is defined now in the Sanders campaign, being the runner-up?

And as far as him beating Trump in polls, ok, go with that. But you probably should consider that the repugs have concentrated their fire on Clinton, not on Sanders. Ever wonder why, because they know what opposition research they have on him. They hope he gets the nomination.

He won't though.

You say you're leaving, just curious, where are you going. I hope you stay involved. I understand there is to be a push to elect progressive candidates for the 2018 mid-terms.

[GRhodes]

149. ?

He was 60 points behind a year ago. How is that not beating her back? There were other options available earlier in the campaign, other candidates, and people chose him as an alternative to her, and she's barely going to win despite all of her institutional advantages. How do you not at least concede that point? A person that cites the Socialist Party candidate for president in the early 20th century, Eugene Debs (Debs by the way was getting about 6% of the vote back then and the Socialist Party ran entire towns in places like Kansas), as a personal hero, came this close to the nomination. Should be a sign about just how much things have changed since her husband was president.

"But you probably should consider that the repugs have concentrated their fire on Clinton, not on Sanders. Ever wonder why, because they know what opposition research they have on him. They hope he gets the nomination."

So, your argument is that they will have more dirt on him than Clinton if he were to win the nomination?! You say this with her foundation, the FBI investigation, her Wall Street transcripts and massive support from Wall Street, among other things. Nonsense, and they HAVE attacked him. The fact is that the attacks on him would be either about the socialist label, which hasn't worked at all, or things on the same level as Vince Foster. Relatively small potatoes. Also, what facts could you or they point to in regards to them hoping he gets the nomination? Based on what? Any polls? They're probably going up against the most unpopular Democratic nominee in its history, someone with historically bad favorables, someone not trusted or liked (even by many in her own party), and someone everyone knows is corrupt. Why would they want to run against ANYONE else? Hell, the Democrats gave them a gift. They're stuck with Trump and you all gave them the only person he can actually beat. Beyond that, she's Hillary freaking Clinton. She alone gets their base frothing at the mouth, Sanders actually does better with Republicans according to polls than she does, especially those under 30.

"You say you're leaving, just curious, where are you going."

Because I no longer think this party shares my values, is a vehicle for progressive change I think its corruption is irreversible, outside of a total cleaning of the house, and that clearly isn't going to happen. I think that a third party on the left has to be built, piece by piece, to challenge the Democrats nationally for the left's vote, and I think the time is ripe for that to happen, given how people feel and how angry they are. A party that picks DWS to lead it, a party that nominates someone like Clinton, isn't a party worth belonging to in my mind. You might not agree, but oh well.

I'm out and have stuff to do. Bye.

[Joob]

4. Gee, it's almost like Hillary forgot about the Primary.

Unfortunately for Hillary, her past foreign experience is not good, Bernie only brought up the issues. Nothing personal, Hillary.

[840high]

160. .+1

[William769]

6. He's a sore loser, what else needs to be said?

Well there is more to say, just can't say it here.

[Demsrule86]

7. Sanders is the worst person in the world...and I hope I never see him

again after he leaves the primary...no doubt kicking and sobbing.

[Barack_America]

22. "Worst person in the world"

Wow. You need to take a break and read about something else. Maybe some light reading on North Korea? Assad?

[frylock]

51. Wow.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

61. Oh you poor, poor overwrought dear, you. I do hope you feel better soon. nt

[jack_krass]

67. ROTFLMAO

[neverforget]

78. worse than Trump? Cruz? Bush? Reagan?

[larkrake]

100. add vinegar to your bath to achieve a thicker skin

take grass brownies to improve temperment

[GreatGazoo]

131. so your sig line is sarcasm?

[whistler162]

153. Yeah he is a big fat poopie head!

[immoderate]

163. A cough producing thought!

--imm

[winter is coming]

8. Brockaganda. And as subtle and factual as usual.

[GreatGazoo]

133. Gotta put SOMETHING in the catapult

or is it a Brock-apult ?

[Lizzie Poppet]

10. "Unforgivable?" Bullshit. He's absolutely correct about her incompetent, warmongering foreign policy

Shoving the truth under the rug just to give the fucking brand a better chance to win is a perfect example of what a festering morass our entire political system has become.

[KingFlorez]

11. Digging out of surplus garbage

Bitter, jealous and sad.

[geek tragedy]

12. Sore loser says what? nt

[GRhodes]

106. 14 days?

You didn't mention that. What gives?

[reformist2]

13. How dare Bernie point out Hillary's horrendous foreign policy record!!!

[postatomic]

23. No it's over. Or, if you'd prefer THE PRIMARY IS FUCKING OVER

[kerry-is-my-prez]

31. Lol!

[postatomic]

55. "like good children"???!!!!

I am my own person and Skinner had nothing to do with my decision. I am an individual with my own individual thoughts.

And you?

[redstateblues]

56. All caps make it so!

Tick tock. Won't be long.

[GulfCoast66]

96. All caps!!

And periods between them!!

I yield to you superior debating skills😝

[GulfCoast66]

109. LOL

Hell, I have liked both candidates back in January and would have been happy with either. But the truth is Bernie has lost. What are you going to do next week when the president, Elizabeth Warren and the press declare Hillary the presumed nominee?

And you can no longer attack Hillary here?

[GulfCoast66]

116. Support

The Democratic Party candidate.

That is what we do. Ease up on the emotion thing.

Are you new to this? Hell, I have never voted for a 'perfect candidate'.

The most satisfying thing about a Bernie Presidency would be the ire of his supporters when he starts compromising

And TM99, this is not close. 2008 was close and Hillary behaved graciously.

[Agschmid]

138. Watch out for insults and apparently flying houses?

I always preferred The Wiz myself.

[Lizzie Poppet]

119. Yeah...fucking over the working class.

Whoop-de-fucking-do...more of the same shit we've been eating for damn near four decades. Sorry if I'm not waving a flag and dancing for joy.

Okay...not remotely sorry.

[Agschmid]

137. ...

[Beacool]

74. It was actually over in April when Hillary's pledged delegate lead became insurmountable.

At this point we are just running the clock.

And, no, the super delegates are NOT going to nominate the losing candidate. That assumption is beyond ridiculous.

[RBInMaine]

130. For all intents and purposes it is DONE. Bernie's so far behind he can not catch up. Get it?

[Jitter65]

16. Yeah and now Bernie supporters are in force at the Trump rally showing their destructiveness...

CNN reported there were Bernie signs and signs reading "we want socialism." Not good, Bernie-bots. Not good.

[frylock]

150. Oh noes!

[postatomic]

17. Bernie is just a walking - talking.....

I'm really surprised he didn't bring up Benghazi, but that isn't in his 8-track loop.

This was an incredible shitty thing to do. Of course the Orange Clump will use Bernie's words to go after Hillary. Keep it up Bernie, you're doing a bang up job.

[Autumn]

19. Leta's make it two. I agree with every words Bernie said

“I agree with Secretary Clinton that Donald Trump’s foreign policy ideas are incredibly reckless and irresponsible. But when it comes to foreign policy, we cannot forget that Secretary Clinton voted for the war in Iraq, the worst foreign policy blunder in modern American history, and that she has been a proponent of regime change, as in Libya, without thinking through the consequences.

“We need a foreign policy based on building coalitions and making certain that the brave American men and women in our military do not get bogged down in perpetual warfare in the Middle East. That’s what I will fight for as president.”

I'm sorry what part of that statement am I supposed to find wrong?

[QC]

34. He's a meanie!!!

[Dustlawyer]

84. I have to disagree with part of what Bernie said.

Hillary did think that Iraq vote through and consider the consequences. I am sure she had long discussions with Lobbyists from Lockheed-Martin; General Dynamics; Rayethon; Haliburton;Brown & Root;Boeing;GE...

She thought ahead when she would want their money for speeches, their support for her candidacy, their money for her foundation, and Super PAC funding. Hard Choices didn't just write itself!

[Tarc]

20. Sanders would like his fans to forget that he has voted to fund many, many wars

He seems to duck out of the authorization votes though, to maintain some sort of "antiwar cred".

[Jitter65]

40. And the crime bill. nt

[JonLeibowitz]

45. Would you have preferred him to vote against the violence against women's act?

Then you could beat up on him for hating women. I bet you'd like that.

[notadmblnd]

66. You'd rather our kids be sent into battle without proper equipemnt to succeed?

Like Senator Sanders, I do not want our children to be sent to do corporate America's bidding. However, if I can not prevent that from occurring, I'm not going to send them to the slaughter with nothing to fight back with.

WTF is wrong with you people that you would criticize someone and imply that they are hypocrits for trying to minimize casualties once your corporate masters have determined that they will use our children as fodder for their profit?

Do you really care so fucking little? Do you have no children of your own? Will you be willing to send your own to die for their profits?

[Tarc]

71. I've already addressed this silly point in this very thread

I'm sure you can find it.

[notadmblnd]

76. I think it's pretty damn heartless to call my point silly.

I bet it wouldn't be silly if you had skin in the damn game!

[Tarc]

82. I won't even bother to link you to the logical fallacy of that argument

[notadmblnd]

89. I feel certain that you are using words that you don't understand the meaning of.

There is nothing false about my point. I asked you a question and you dismissed it as silly. If you consider our children dying silly, you are nothing more than heartless

I also realize that you don't possess the knowledge or the skills to answer my question and that you have no other choice but to dismiss what I asked of you.

Like the typical Clinton supporter here, you must just write what your are told.

I feel sorry for people who are incapable of compassion and empathy for their fellow human beings.

[Tarc]

92. Ok I lied, I'll tell you what it is; "argumentum ad passiones"

I already told you that I have responded to your points in this very thread, and I tired of repetition. You don't get an audience just because you're a few hours late to the show, so, go read what I have said elsewhere and be content.

[notadmblnd]

98. One would have to be capable of possessing feelings of compassion

to be able to use that as an argument of logical fallacy. No? I asked a question of you, I did not attempt to convince you of anything.

argumentum-ad-passiones

image:
Noun

(plural argumenta ad passiones)

An appeal or argument intended to convince the listener(s) by agitating the emotions, rather than by appealing to sober judgment.


Read more at http://www.yourdictionary.com/argumentum-ad-passiones#GALu934V2tvDkfdG.99

[panader0]

21. "I agree" is an attack?

Bringing up her Iraq vote is vain?

[aikoaiko]

24. That's an attack? Wow, and HRC accuse Bernie supporters of being thin skinned.

He supported her statements about Trump, but reminded us that HRC enabled the war in Iraq and can be considered a poor foreign policy decision.

Both Sanders and Obama knew better and voted against enabling the war in Iraq.

[Mr Maru]

25. He can act like an ass and go down in flames without a shred of dignity if he likes

And the Democratic Party can yank all his committee positions too.

[DefenseLawyer]

36. Like they did to Joe Lieberman when he endorsed McCain? n/t

[SwampG8r]

140. Hillary endorsed.mc cain also so hrc.supporters.should be fine with lieberman

[seabeyond]

75. This is what i see until convention. He will just continue to make a fool of himself. Nt

[Maedhros]

158. Short sighted.

/ignore.

[greyl]

26. It would be helpful and useful to further develop defense of Hillary's Iraq and Libya involvement.

All those words attacking Bernie do nothing to assist Hillary, if that's what you're trying to do.

Melissa McEwan's exaggerated headline is especially irksome. Bernie said he agreed with Hillary's attack on Trump, he didn't attack Hillary for it, and implying Bernie was the "One Person" who didn't totally rave about Clinton's speech is plainly biased.

[DefenseLawyer]

33. Of course it's biased

Clinton's superPAC owns the site. Its sole purpose to to publish fake journalism that supports Secretary Clinton.

[TCJ70]

27. HOW DARE HE...

...talk about her record (as in historical, things she did, record) and then say what he would do instead. What a terrible person!

[Nyan]

28. When even the headline makes you facepalm...

[Vattel]

32. Shameless lie. He didn't attack her for her destruction of Donald.

He attacked her for her shit record on foreign policy. And by the way, Obama himself admitted that he didn't think enough about the aftermath of regime change in Libya.

[Segami]

37. BLUENATIONREVIEW = DAVID 'Smear-Rodent' BROCK

[TwilightZone]

44. Right, as opposed to Fox News, FACT, National Review, and the other right-wing nonsense passed

off as legitimate sources by some Sanders supporters on DU.

Or Judicial Watch, for that matter, that liberal bastion of journalistic integrity.

[CobaltBlue]

39. madamvlb—Bernie Sanders is correct. And…

Blue Nation Review is owned by David Brock.

We know who David Brock is, yes? He’s the right-wing political operator who smeared Anita Hill back in the early-1990s.

Brock having any role in Hillary Clinton’s campaign makes a statement about her judgment.

[LuvLoogie]

42. "I got your back, Hillary...with a shiv..."

I'm not sayin'

I'm just sayin'...

[frylock]

47. Attacked?

[BillZBubb]

48. Hillary's speech was a neocon wet dream. Bernie was too nice. Brock can go pound sand.

Anyone who post Brock crap is worse than someone who posts Breitbart.

Hillary's foreign policy ideas are far to the right and more hawkish than most Americans. She hasn't learned a damn thing from her mistakes on Iraq, Libya and Syria. She's ready to double down on the idiocy. Are you?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

50. Brock Nation Review: for those who have never read Orwell.

[MFM008]

52. Someone was listening

To Sanders? I didn't see him at all.

[redstateblues]

53. Bernie's Foreign Policy?

Break up the big banks

[liberal from boston]

99. Go Bernie

Suggest you click on link: http://www.salon.com/2016/04/16/sanders_is_making_history_on_the_israel_palestine_conflict_while_clinton_is_as_extreme_as_netanyahu/

[ebayfool]

83. Bullshit. Plenty of DUers spoke up and out about the war. What got us into it, the fake excuses, etc

Most DUers, esp the old timers, were quite correct in their predictions. Don't confuse the primary wars with that - most of DU had more goddamned sense than the Bush WH and most of the CongressCritters! On both sides. DUers used to have a visceral reaction to wars without justification. Some (ThankBabyJeebus!) still do. You want to justify that vote because of who you support and belittle those who that knew it was BS at the time, just shows how shallow your decision making process really is.


Armchair quarterbacking is smugly claiming no one could have foreseen the results, and then slapping a Bernie label on it just for shits and giggles. Just like Condi couldn't have foreseen planes hitting the Towers after being sent a report saying just that! Offensive is treating war like a football game, with winning sides. Quarterbacking my rosy red ass!

.

[jfern]

59. David Brock who slimed Anita Hill is complaining about someone being attacked?

David Brock needs to take a long walk off a short pier already.

[BeyondGeography]

60. He's a foreign policy peewee leaguer who will never sniff the presidency

The stump speech has a couple of IWR attack lines and zero global vision, and FP, which is what Presidents spend most of their time on, has been a total afterthought. Obama knew he had to defeat Hillary on this terrain, and on more than her 2002 vote, so he ran to the right of her on capturing bin Laden without Pakistan's approval if necessary and to her left on Cuba and Iran. It all came to pass, not least because he was prepared for the job. Bernie isn't in their class, which makes his reliance on superdelegates, who know a poseur when they see one, even more comical.

[onecaliberal]

62. This is why I know that even conversations about issues will not be tolerated.

Bernie was pointing to bad decisions she made a SOS. How is that bashing?

[bettyellen]

73. If he had a real foreign policy of his own to discuss, fine....

But he doesn't and it's too late to pull one out of his hat now that he's toast.

[liberal from boston]

161. Bernie Sanders

Suggest you click on link: http://www.salon.com/2016/04/16/sanders_is_making_history_on_the_israel_palestine_conflict_while_clinton_is_as_extreme_as_netanyahu/

[bettyellen]

162. That and he would be more careful when droning, yeah....

[Thinkingabout]

63. Said by a candidate who does not have a foreign policy except for giving his standard finanical

Speech.

[thelordofhell]

64. How dare that Senator vote for something that caused millions of deaths

Really Bernie, how do you explain your Pro NRA voting record??

[Beacool]

69. That's the entire extent of his foreign policy experience.

He's a Johnny one note. That's all he kept repeating like a mantra during the debates when a foreign policy question came up. Reminds me of Giuliani and 9/11.

[barrow-wight]

70. Of course Bernie's going to gang up on her with Trump.

That's what the old boys club does.

[Eric J in MN]

77. The Clintons went to Trump's wedding

...and go to parties that Henry Kissinger goes to.

Bernie Sanders isn't in their Old Boys Club.

[barrow-wight]

79. Well then he sure does a good job trying to get in.

[frylock]

151. So does Hillary.

[Eric J in MN]

72. DU Rules: excerpt a max of 4 paragraphs. NT

NT

[left-of-center2012]

81. David Brock attacks Bernie. Nothing new here.

Same old crap by a Clinton supporter.
Stop the hate.

[Trajan]

85. Yeah ... She nailed him good!

But ... I agree with Bernie ....

Fancy that ...

[John Poet]

86. The Democrat version of "Breitbart"...

If Breitbart had been a Democrat, his site would be called 'Blue Nation Review'.

Thanks for the useless propaganda. There's little difference from a link to that site, or a link to Hillary's email server...

P. S. Bernie was absolutely correct,
except he forgot to bring up Hillary's ass-kissing of the right-wing military coup government in Honduras which she helped to legitimize.

Now they're murdering dissidents down there, but, as a Hillary supporter told me, "There's no primary in Honduras."

[riversedge]

90. Bernie whines about most things. Nothing satisfies him. I can not imagine a person

in the WH with his downbeat attitude all the time.

[rhett o rick]

91. Maybe you forgot that the primary is not over. Even though Hillary believes she is entitled to the

nomination, she has to earn it first.

And how can a progressive support Hillary's Iraq Vote?

[Cha]

93. Mahalo for this, madam~

http://bluenationreview.com/bernie-attacked-hillary-for-her-brilliant-blistering-destruction-of-donald

[demwing]

102. Your post is a piece of shit

I don't know that it says about you, but your post is a piece of shit.

[edbermac]

121. Jury results.

On Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:13 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Your post is a piece of shit
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2113606

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Out of bounds personal attack.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:35 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Just responding to what Hokie said about Sen. Sanders. This is not a personal attack.


Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: They clearly state the post is a pos, not the poster.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The post that was being replied to was vile and offensive. Since it git a pass the reply to it should stand
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[demwing]

123. Thanks

[Lizzie Poppet]

118. Jesus, the fucking projection out of Camp Weathervane is astonishing.

If insipid, slandering horseshit like this is what the Clinton cabal has turned so much of the party into, then the party can't fragment into irrelevancy soon enough. We used to be the good guys...

[ucrdem]

97. The fact of the matter is Bernie didn't run on FP and didn't bother to get up to speed on it.

And when you get down to it, to the degree that he did, he agrees with her -- he says it himself above. He ran on a couple of kitchen table policies that aren't entirely in the president's purview but foreign policy definitely is. So he has no business to complain nor do his supporters. And Hillary didn't attack him directly or indirectly in her address today which is more than she can say about him.

[Lil Missy]

101. Johnny-One-Note strikes again!

[TheKentuckian]

129. Clinton has seemingly declared even zero notes to be unicorn kisses so even one

would seem ambitious in contrast even if it wasn't dishonest nonsense.

[demwing]

103. She deserves the criticism

she has horrible judgement, and people have died as a result

[Ed Suspicious]

110. He is still running a campaign for election, not a campaign to get Hillary elected.

[larkrake]

112. yup

[larkrake]

111. He praised her attack on Trump, and noted her hypocracy and attempt to move the topic

away from policies. She is good at attacking her opponents, thats well known

[eastwestdem]

114. I'm guessing he had that statement ready, and was going to release the same thing, no matter

what Hillary's speech contained.

[cui bono]

115. Linking to Brock's propaganda and smearmongering site is just slimy.

[Number23]

117. Yet another proud moment in a well-run campaign

An incredibly stupid statement. The Republicans will love it.

[mhatrw]

122. blue nation review?

[anotherproletariat]

124. True Democrats have stopped paying attention to him long ago. nt

[frylock]

155. "True Democrats" never once paid attention to him.

[Cobalt Violet]

125. It's called an election. He is running.

If she can't handle she could always drop out. NO one is forcing her to run.

[PoliticAverse]

126. Speaking of "unforgivable", remember when Clinton praised McCain over Obama?...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/04/clinton-mccain-has-more-e_n_89758.html

[Voice for Peace]

127. Therefore, should we be blind to hillary's reckless careless judgement because trump?

we be good mindless robots

[djean111]

134. That is exactly what they are hoping for.

Forget Hillary's record - Trump is a meanie!

Not going to work.

[djean111]

128. Oh, bullshit. And David Brock is a good source, but not Salon or WSJ? Pathetic.

You are just embarrassing yourself.
And - still the primary. Get a grip. And remember we ALL look at sources.

Oh, and Hillary's warmongering record sucks. Deal with it, because it cannot be covered up. We all have teh Google and teh internet. And memories.

[Cheese Sandwich]

136. What about me?!

I've been attacking her all day!

[Sancho]

139. Bernie is worse...he pretends he didn't make the same or worse mistakes. DISHONEST!

For example: Sanders had a history of opposing bonuses for Lockheed Martin executives for a while, and his supporters like to point to this example of the Senator standing up to big business and corporate bonuses. The problem is, Sanders very quietly has come around to being a supporter of Lockheed Martin. There’s some shady history involving Sanders’ denial of being aware of certain deals taking shape between the new Burlington, VT, mayor (recall Burlington is where Sanders got his own start) and Lockheed. Yet somehow, both the Burlington mayor and Senator Sanders were simultaneously working out deals with the company for building and expanding in Vermont. What a nice little coincidence.

Senator Sanders’ enthusiasm for pet projects in his state is well-known, one of the most controversial being his years of pushing to locate a Pentagon F-35 fighter jet project in Vermont. This $400-billion military project is the sort of vast “military industrial complex” government-corporate boondoggle Sanders regularly pretends to oppose, except when he’s aggressively lobbying in favor of them for Vermont. His pathetic excuse for such situations is often “well if it’s going to happen anyway, my constituents may as well get some of the jobs and money from it.”

Meanwhile, Sanders’ pretense about being opposed to war and warmongering is a sham. In 1999, he supported the war against Serbia that involved a vast bombing campaign resulting not only in INCREASING the ethnic cleansing on the ground (something the administration and Pentagon literally openly admitted — during a press conference — they knew would happen and weren’t frankly concerned about, saying so in those dismissive of terms) but also littering that portion of Europe with depleted uranium debris. I won’t go on about it here, but the effects of depleted uranium exposure are terrible, for the troops using it and the victims on the ground subjected to the bombings. Italy sued the United States to recoup health care costs for Italian peacekeepers stationed in the region who ended up poisoned by the depleted uranium contamination. Soldiers exposed to it also have children with dramatically high rates of birth defects. And it contaminated the water table beneath the former Yugoslavia.

Senator Sanders’ support for war doesn’t end there, though. He also voted in favor of the war against Afghanistan in 2001 — handing over a nearly blank check to prosecute global war to an administration that everyone already strongly suspected would attempt to revive the war against Iraq. This vote in favor of war came despite the existence of very real alternatives, since the government in Afghanistan offered to hand Osama bin Laden over to a global court for trial. There was room for negotiations, but of course the Bush administration wanted to invade and so no negotiations were attempted. Sanders was as aware of this as the rest of us sitting at home were, so pretense that he lacked the same information or awareness of the real situation is nothing but an excuse. Sanders also supported Obama’s bombings in Iraq and Syria. He’s basically voted or spoken out in favor of some new war as often as he’s voted against some other, different war, if not more so. He’s more inclined to fall in line and support a Democrat’s war than a Republican’s, but he’s obviously willing to make exceptions even in favor of a conservative’s war of preference.

https://www.quora.com/What-dirt-is-there-on-Bernie-Sanders

[rbrnmw]

142. Trifiling

SMDH

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

152. He criticized both Trump and Hillary regarding their foreign policy credentials.

Rightly so.

[Logical]

156. Stupid headline, of course more than one person attacked her.

[BootinUp]

157. K & R

[Snotcicles]

164. Post it and leave. Just another elevator exit fart. nt