Californians Should Reject the Networks Attempts to Minimize Their Votes

[Chasstev365]

The idea that they will declare Hillary the nominee before the polls close in California is BS! We know they have been for her from the beginning, but they should stop working hard to discourage people from voting. I would like to remind everyone in California that NO ONE IS THE NOMINEE until the vote takes place on tne convention floor in July!

[merrily]

1. USians should reject the networks.

It's very obvious that big business wants to choose our politicians and knows how to do it.

And effing TPP is not even in effect yet.

If you are not on board with big business brainwashing you while getting richer on large ratings, stop watching.

[Chasstev365]

2. Well Said!

[merrily]

5. Thanks.

[CorporatistNation]

9. AGREED! IT'S FASCISM FOLKS!

[MillennialDem]

17. Most millennials have cut cable anyway.

[JimDandy]

51. Exactly! n/t

[SFnomad]

3. 13+ million people have chosen our soon to be Presumptive Nominee

California has minimized its own vote by moving the Primary back to June, when it was in Feb/Mar in 2000, 2004 and 2008 on Super Tuesday. Blaming the Networks for this is crazy talk.

[Dem2]

11. Yes, it is odd that they chose to be last

knowing they're on the West Coast. It's as if they don't want to be counted.

[nadinbrzezinski]

29. Nice meme there

[Dem2]

33. Meme? It's an acknowledgement of what the previous poster said

Why did CA choose to be on the last day, thus assuring this 'time zone' situation?

Poor planning? Help me here...

[nadinbrzezinski]

40. I am not going to educate you but there is a reason

Actually many reasons...as in millions of little reasons. You can google this. But parties had a choice and said no

[Dem2]

42. Thanks

Guess you have anger issues.

[nadinbrzezinski]

43. Nope, talking to you is usually not fruitful

I an just letting you know the information is indeed on the Google. It was a choice...indeed.

[mythology]

38. Or they don't want to spend the money to hold two primaries

They moved it back so they can hold the state and presidential primaries at the same time.

[nadinbrzezinski]

41. State offered the parties to administer it

If they paid for it. Parties said no

They tried and the expense was too high

[MillennialDem]

16. "Fuck you, I won and Trump is worse" is not selling me on voting for Hillary. Think I'll vote down

ballot but not for Hillary (not advocating third party or Trump) or just stay home.

[SFnomad]

18. tRump thanks you for your support n/t

[MillennialDem]

20. See - I told you: "fuck you I won and Trump is worse"

[SFnomad]

21. tRump still thanks you for your support n/t

[Dem2]

34. Trump is happy at your irrational reasons for helping him

[Starry Messenger]

4. Millions have already voted by mail, in a higher proportion than in 2014.

Thanks for your concern though. This election is over.

[merrily]

6. Which is a totally different issue than when announcing is appropriate and ethical.

[bettyellen]

7. I'm planning a watch party - NJ hasn't mattered in ages sooooo...

Why not!?

[Starry Messenger]

8. I know--same here in CA!

We don't matter matter, since her victory in NJ will push her over the line, but I'm still a little excited we had campaign action here.

[bettyellen]

12. I'll hopefully be done drinking by the time your polls close!

Or else I am fucked, ha ha

[JimDandy]

28. Clinton threw that CA-Doesn't-Matter-Fairy off the NJ bridge and hurried back to Cali. n/t

[nbsmom]

53. Not so fast...

If Hillary doesn't win California, it may not matter what the MSM announces at 5:00 pm PST on June 7. (The press has been wrong before: This could very well turn out to be the 2016 version of "Dewey Beats Truman.&quot

Another point: Six states (not just CA) are holding their presidential primaries next Tuesday, and only one is EST. Doesn't Hillary (should she end up as the Democratic nominee) want to win those other states in the GE, too?

[Starry Messenger]

54. What does the GE have to do with the time zones in the June 7th primary?

[Chasstev365]

10. Yet Again: Hillary Supporters are Unwilling to Entertain a Debate About Media Appropriateness

If MSNBC was planning on discourage people to vote for Hillary, you'd be just fine with that, right?

[mythology]

39. Your post wasn't looking for a discussion

It was a compromise free position. It's hard to complain about somebody else isn't willing to have a discussion when what you mean is they aren't willing to take your side.

[KingFlorez]

13. You can't minimize votes that have already been cast

Many California voters will have voted by mail and most of those who will vote after 5 pm are highly unlikely to decide not to vote just because of the what the networks say.

[rhett o rick]

15. Bull ony. If you get off work and find out the race has been called, why go out of your way to vote

It's this corruption that we are fighting against and apparently you are fighting to save.

[KingFlorez]

19. Calm yourself. Anger causes wrinkles.

[rhett o rick]

25. Your attempts at condescension are childish. You are on the wrong side of the class war.

If you support the rich do you think they will actually like you?

[msongs]

23. if you hear a prediction and decide not to vote that is your personal choice. the prediction is NOT

at fault. Having grown up in CA plenty of times I heard a race called by east coast media and not once did I turn around and go home instead of voting.

[rhett o rick]

26. Yep the victim is always to blame. Seems you don't think that the media has any influence.

Funny, hundreds of millions of dollars are spent on the media to influence. And your response is, "you shouldn't be influenced."

[LanternWaste]

47. I pretend people who trust television for absolute truth are victims too..

I pretend people who trust television for absolute truth are victims too... it allows us to frame our narrative in such a way as to be more soothing and palatable to our obvious biases and our emphatic denial of rational thought in this particular instance.

After the election, when it's not convenient to our truths, we can go back to lampooning people who watch television news, but for now, it's the best tactic we have.

[tandem5]

24. You vote to have your voice counted. And you know races are called early and then contested later...

It would be sad to have skipped voting only to find out it was an extremely close race especially in a winner take all scenario.

[lagomorph777]

36. Or called early and wrong, and then never contested.

A la Kerry.

[nadinbrzezinski]

30. This is a real issue

it first really appeared with the Carter Reagan race. But these people really could care less.

[msongs]

14. reality bytes nt

[tandem5]

22. I live in California and I already voted! Take that big media!

[UMTerp01]

27. If a network call influences your desire to vote then you're kind of too stupid to vote

What does one have to do with the other? No amount of "influence" can prevent me from voting. Perhaps I have a different perspective since my ancestors fought and died for my right to vote and I'm standing in line to vote even if the state has been called for or against my candidate. I never quite understood the absurdity of this.

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. It actuallly does influence down ballot voting too

my minimum wage workers thank you in advance for helping to suppress the vote on Prop I

For the record, so you are clear, the primary is an afterthought for me. Passing Prop I is critical

By the way, it does have name, it is called the bandwagon effect.

It has been a very well known issue since the 1980 race, and that one led to Congressional hearings.

[UMTerp01]

44. Thats ashame

I would never let something like that affect my vote. I'm voting regardless. Its ashame that others don't feel that way. Like I said...I don't care if the winner had already been called and it was for or against my candidate. I'm voting for everything. But unfortunately yeah these things happen in term of suppressing the vote. So believe me I hear what you are saying. I just find it frustrating that anyone would be influenced by such. But again, I have a different perspective and hold dear my right to vote given that there was a time that my people didn't have the right to. People should have more pride in us being able to vote and have a say in policy.

[nadinbrzezinski]

45. And the solution is simple

And the networks resist it. They should not be able to say a thing until all polling stations are closed. This is the way Germany does it, but then again, they are a mature democracy. Yes, congress should pass a federal law...it will happen in my dreams. It also happens in states with two time zones by the way. It is just to a lesser extent

[UMTerp01]

48. I agree with you on this

But unfortunately networks are more concerned with being "the first" than respecting a process as important as voting.

[nadinbrzezinski]

49. That is why you need a federal law

and congress will never pass that

[MFM008]

32. If she gets New Jersey

and only needs 73 delegates
It will be the next thing out of the medias mouths.
you cant change it.
They can ADD.
They are not going to sit until the end of July to announce it.
One of those things you can squawk about
and that will change nothing.

[lagomorph777]

35. Californicated again!

Disgusting behavior and CA should redouble their energy to drive a big turnout and a big FU to the networks!

[NorthCarolina]

37. Not gonna happen. The media is just another cog in the establishment machine. It turns as long

as all the other cogs are still turning.

[AzDar]

46. K & R

[anotherproletariat]

50. When you live in a state that has a late primary, and one with a large population, you

accept the fact that your individual vote counts less than in many other places. So we do other things to help encourage our political views. We donate money, we work on phone banks for the early primary states, we support our state progressive candidates.

Residents of each state have different responsibilities in the democratic process. In this case, those of us who support Hillary are thrilled that our votes are not needed to make her the presumptive nominee. It has always been the best case scenario.

[MineralMan]

52. Just turn off the news until the polls close in California.

Freedom of the press is what it is. We have a free press in this country, and the press can do as it pleases.

Each of us, however, can choose whether or not to follow reports in the collective press. That's the reason my suggestion to you. If you don't like it, just ignore it until whatever time you choose.

I don't know about you, but I've never let the news media stop me from voting. My vote is independent of it.