Whenever I think of Hillary I think of Iraqi babies with horrible birth defects from depleted

[Cheese Sandwich]

uranium.

[beachbum bob]

1. I think of sanders wanting to send nuclear waste to poor latino community in texas

....that is a graver concern to me

[Cheese Sandwich]

3. There's one major party candidate running that is actually opposed to all nuclear power

Bernie Sanders.

[anotherproletariat]

75. So he's opposed to fracking, nuclear power, fossil fuels and coal?

How does he plan to power our cities until technology allows the production of sufficient clean energy?

[Cheese Sandwich]

76. We'll have to phase it out over time

[anotherproletariat]

79. Hey, that sounds like Hillary's plan! See they do have lots in common! nt

[Cheese Sandwich]

82. Wrong: While Sanders rejects it, Clinton embraces nuclear as part of a "clean-energy" vision...

The two candidates battling for the Democratic presidential nomination are divided as to whether nuclear power qualifies as "clean energy"

source: http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/03/21/while-sanders-rejects-it-clinton-embraces-nuclear-part-clean-energy-vision

[anotherproletariat]

92. That article is written in a very bias way, but on the stump (heard her last week in San Jose) she

says that she wants tighter regulation on nuclear power and fracking until they can be eliminated and replaced with clean, renewable energy sources. She is a realist and knows that Americans use huge amounts of energy, so is looking long term.

[Cheese Sandwich]

96. No. You're completely wrong about this.

Hillary has been a supporter of fracking and helped push it around the world to pump up the profits of US-based multinational corporations. I heard Hillary's statements on fracking and it's a totally meaningless smokescreen designed to give cover to her real policy which is drill baby drill.

[Lord Magus]

110. That's not a good thing. -nt-

[Fresh_Start]

2. When I think of Bernie, I think of all the shattered families from gun violence

NRA is on Bernie's side

[Cheese Sandwich]

4. Hillary voted against child safety locks for guns. What was she thinking?!

[Fresh_Start]

8. Bernie voted against waiting periods to allow background checks to be completed

multiple times

[Cheese Sandwich]

11. This is a thread about depleted uranium and Hillary's horrible warlike record

Maybe you could start a separate thread for your Bernie-bashing instead of derailing this one.

[Fresh_Start]

13. bernie voted to fund both Afghanistan and Iraq wars

so all those depleted uranium impacted lives in both countries were a result of Bernie's support

Are you happier now?

[Cheese Sandwich]

15. Hillary voted for Bush's war. Bernie helped lead the opposition.

Hillary helped convince other Democrats to support Bush's war.

And yeah no you don't vote to strand the US Army in Iraq without funding, which you apparently see as an option. That would have been stupid beyond all belief.

[Fresh_Start]

28. you don't fund wars...if you are anti-war

you don't vote for regime change
you don't vote afghanistan war...because 99% of the victims in afghanistan war were innocent

there was one vote against the war in afghanistan...and it wasn't bernie

[Cheese Sandwich]

30. It really is laughable you trying to tar Sanders with the same warlike imperial shit brush that

Secretary Clinton is tarred with.

Luckily we have this thing called the internet and anybody can go back and watch their speeches on every one of these issues and see where they really stood on it.

[Fresh_Start]

34. you should look at Clinton's speech

because you clearly are misunderstanding her position

[Cheese Sandwich]

37. yeah right.

[Ned_Devine]

101. No response?

[pdsimdars]

64. That tells knowledgable people that your thinking process is uninformed.

That is, you don't know the facts, or don't care to.

Go with non comprehension if that suits you.

[Fresh_Start]

5. I think of Bernie's votes to fund the war machine

and to build military aircraft in his home state

[Cheese Sandwich]

6. Yes I'm sure if he had voted against funding the troops in the middle of a war you certainly

wouldn't be criticizing him for that on the internet.

/just kidding, you would be

[Fresh_Start]

9. you can't possibly know what I would do

but hypocrisy of bernie inconsistent positions is completely obvious although ignored by his supporters

[Cheese Sandwich]

12. That's OK because Hillary is a corporate shill and responsible for the deaths of possibly

millions of people in the countries like Libya, Syria, Honduras, and Iraq.

Add up all the deaths from these conflicts and see what you get. #HillaryMath

[Fresh_Start]

25. Sanders voted for regime change in Libya

The rise of ISIS can be most closely tied to the US withdrawal from Iraq: something that Bernie strongly supported

[Cheese Sandwich]

27. 1) Bernie voted to encourage a peaceful change in Libya, not to bomb and overthrow by force

2) The rise of ISIS can be most closely tied to the decision to invade and occupy Iraq in the first place. Stop blaming Obama. You're blaming Obama for ISIS. Stop blaming Obama.

It was well known that the country would not hold together if the central government was destroyed.

[Fresh_Start]

31. I'm not blaming Obama

he had no choice but to withdraw from Iraq

but Isis was almost invisible until 2013-4...
difficult to blame Iraq war 10 years earlier...but ignore the precipitating events in the 2010's.

[jack_krass]

42. Ridiculous smear attempt. He voted AGAINST the war, his side lost, the Hillary+Bush side won

[LexVegas]

7. Get it out of your system. I predict a swallowing of your pride on the 16th. nt

[Agschmid]

10. 3-4... Because why not?

[Logical]

14. But you dont seem to be attacking bush and his crew much! Nt

[Cheese Sandwich]

16. Bush isn't running for president.

[Logical]

19. And you love whining! Nt

[leeroysphitz]

20. prolly did 8 years ago...

[Logical]

22. I doubt it, just wants to whine about hillary. Nt

[Joob]

106. You're the one that sounds like you're whining.

You've whined about the so called "whining" twice now, you even brought up Bush, who isn't running for President. Then responded with "You're whining." when OP gave a response to that. It's not even a logical response.

[Cheese Sandwich]

21. He's not running for president.

Biden supported Bush's war as well. He's equally at fault, if not more so. He was more senior in the Senate.

[Cheese Sandwich]

26. This forum is designated for discussing presidential primaries and the candidates

If Joe Biden jumps in I'll post about his Iraq war vote.

[leeroysphitz]

18. I care more about women dying under imperialist bombs than getting a female oligarch / corporatists

elected.

[Cheese Sandwich]

32. Sure I guess those would be sensible priorities.

[baldguy]

23. Right, Hillary is responsible for the decision to use DU in US munitions - in the 1970s.

[reddread]

43. no, back in 2003.

[baldguy]

45. .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium#History

In the 1970s, the Pentagon reported that the Soviet military had developed armor plating for Warsaw Pact tanks that NATO ammunition could not penetrate. The Pentagon began searching for material to make denser armor-piercing projectiles. After testing various metals, ordnance researchers settled on depleted uranium.

[reddread]

46. she wasnt involved in that and you know that wasnt anyone's point

just a cruel and heartless indifference to the utter catastrophe she WHOLEHEARTEDLY
supported. carry on.

[baldguy]

68. That was exactly the point.

The RW anti-Democrat "Not Hillary" Party is intent on absolving Republicans of each & every last one of their sins, without regard to any actual responsibility, and they take those sins and assign them to any Democrat who is handy - again, without regard to their actual responsibility. A year ago they were attacking Obama, and now that Clinton has risen to prominence, it's her turn to take the blame or at least - or at least the caricature of her created by the fascists who hate her.

[reddread]

69. what does that have to do with Democratic voters?

if you want to differentiate the right wing of the Democratic voting blocks, I am all ears.

[baldguy]

86. Nothing - but the "Not Hillary" Party wants you to believe it does.

Thank you for agreeing that the OP is disingenuous, hypocritical & silly.

[djean111]

29. Oh, but surely they, and their mothers, are grateful for the Gift of Freedom, right?

Also - children torn apart and/or horribly injured by cluster bombs. Hillary refused to sign a ban on them. Little freedom gifties.!

There is nothing that could persuade me to vote for her.

[Cheese Sandwich]

35. You seem to get it.

I feel like you understand the issue.

[djean111]

38. Cluster bombs have always been on my list of reasons I will not support Hillary.

I cannot imagine why she thinks she can sugar-coat the things she proudly stands for, in order to "win over" (hoodwink into voting for her) my vote, or the votes of my family.

[Cheese Sandwich]

36. oh gosh wow

what time is it

[JoePhilly]

39. Hillary is now responsible for all manner of human suffering across the world.

[Cheese Sandwich]

40. Yes I completely agree.She is to blame for unspeakable horrors and human tragedy of epic proportions

[JoePhilly]

41. Oh the drama.

[SidDithers]

44. Get 'em in while you still can...nt

Sid

[LuvLoogie]

47. The waning hours of the anti-Hillary scat fest at DU.

[Cheese Sandwich]

49. Only a political reaction. So dismissive of the actual issue being addressed.

That's a common type of response from Hillary supporters. Legitimate concerns are dismissed or mocked. Anything that calls into question the the motives or the judgement of the leader has to be ignored or suppressed.

[forjusticethunders]

48. What about Bosnian/Serbian babies from horrible birth defects from depleted uranium?

Bernie Lockheed Martin Sanders is the only one who gets a pass for voting for intervention abroad, I guess.

If you're going to use the warmonger neocon line of attack, you better apply your standards consistently. There is NO candidate in this race, and for that matter, NO candidate that is viable in American politics that can meet those standards. Neither Bernie or Hillary are acceptable from a pacifist or non-interventionist standpoint. The problem is of course that a real non-interventionist is probably unelectable and will lose to hardcore warmongers in the GOP.

[Cheese Sandwich]

50. It's completely ridiculous to compare the results of the Yugoslavia intervention to the results of

of what happened in Iraq.

Complete idiocy.

[Tarc]

51. Do you think of Bernie, whose "Yea" vote funded the depleted uranium?

[redstateblues]

52. Double standard much? Why don't you hold Bernie responsible

For all the victims of gun violence? He is a shill for the gun manufacturers and he voted against the Brady Bill

[pinebox]

54. Do you know why?

I'm rather curious.
Also Hillary voted against safety locks on guns for children, why did she do that?

[actslikeacarrot]

53. Good try...

...but there seems to be a large contingent on DU that just doesn't give a fuck anymore.

[CanadaexPat]

55. No kidding. It's open season on the rest of the world, apparently.

[rjsquirrel]

56. Yes because that's really fair

I'm sure in your own perfection none of your actions ever leads to any negative consequences.


It's this sort of childish hyperbole (there's blood of children on her hands!!!!!) that convinces us centrist boomers that Bernie Sanders is not leading a movement but a cult of personality.

[Cobalt Violet]

57. she voted for it, now she owns it.

[rjsquirrel]

58. All by herself no doubt

And I bet you have never supported anyone else who voted for something you opposed. No selective bias on your part.

Bernie thus owns the military budget right? He's a baby killer too.

It's childish absolutism that blinds your side to reality and has caused you to lose this election.

[Bluenorthwest]

111. Obama says he was against the 'stupid' Iraq War, he also voted to fund it once it was on

so are you willing to type about Barack what you have typed about Bernie? Barack says he would have voted against the war, but he voted for funding. So are you calling him a liar, saying that he actually voted for the war he called stupid and said he opposed? Yes, yes you are.

[jzodda]

59. That's right shes Dr. Evil!

She's a super villain combining the powers of the avengers and the X-Men into one.

She is responsible for every human tragedy since the fall of Rome. In fact she's responsible for that too.

She wiped out most of Europe with Plague and then single handedly started WW1 and WW2.

She pushed the Native Americans onto the trail of tears and was responsible for slavery and the civil war.

I mean didn't you know? If you listened to her detractors you could certainly get this impression.

[zappaman]

60. When I think of your endless Hillary posts, I think of Limburger cheese. n/t

[Sheepshank]

63. BINGO....the manufactured outrage is matched only by the manufactured insulted/hurt feelings

[grossproffit]

71. +1

[Sheepshank]

62. what do you picture when you hear Trump?

What do think of when you hear about Bernie's financial and voting support of all of the wars your are blaming Hillary for?

[Cheese Sandwich]

65. Why do you guys all repeat this inane talking point that funding troops already in battle

is the same as voting for the invasion in the first place? What would you do leave them stranded and defenseless in the desert? You need better talking points. It just shows how far you have to stretch to try and make Sanders guilty of what Clinton is clearly guilty of.

[Sheepshank]

66. REPEATING INANE MEMES.....you are really complaining about that? wow.

I guessed you missed all of the email threads?

[EndElectoral]

73. Because that's all they got. They've no example of Congress ever defunding a war midstream.

Instead of castigating Hillary for the AUMF in Iraq, they instead blame Sanders for funding existing troops put in the field. Mind boggling.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

67. Awww..c'mon. It was just a little mistake. Which means that....

She's monumentally stupid or completely unscrupulous.

[EndElectoral]

70. The images are too gruesome to post. For those who want to read what the op is talking about,ck link

http://www.mintpressnews.com/depleted-uranium-iraq-wars-legacy-cancer/193338/

[jwirr]

93. Thank you. Anyone who thinks she was thinking about the

women and children when she voted for that war needs to see this.

We have disabilities in this country (including some from Agent Orange and lead) but we also have great medical care for our children. We used depleted uranium and heaven knows what else in a war built around lies and those mothers and children do not have the kind of medical help we do. We bombed their country to hell and all the services they used to have with it.

I as the mother of a child that was most likely a victim of farm chemicals in the well water this is the worst thing we have done in the ME.

[treestar]

72. So that is what you also picture when you think of John Kerry

Joe Biden, etc.

[EndElectoral]

74. They're not running for President, but they've blood on their hands as well for that vote.

[MFM008]

77. Maybe if BUSH and CHENEY

Hadn't lied to the world through Colin Powell, those votes would not have happened.
13 days to get these out of your system.

[Cheese Sandwich]

78. Yet somehow Bernie Sanders got it right. And most of the Democrats in the Senate for that matter.

[Fumesucker]

85. Some of us knew they were lying at the time

Then of course there was that naive young woman from flyover country who was bowled over by the intellectual might of George W Bush.

[Eko]

80. Now whenever I think of a cheese sandwich

I think of hyperbolic posts that go so far past the norm of decency just to score a cheap political point that it is actually disgusting. And I used to like cheese sandwiches.

[Cheese Sandwich]

84. I'd like to change this username but it doesn't seem possible.

[Beacool]

97. This.......

My cheese sandwich experience is now ruined for ever.

[beachbum bob]

81. Should think about Bernie and all the kids he was willing to

Harm with Nuclear waste ....thank God Paul wellstone stopped it...

[Cheese Sandwich]

87. We're trying to have a conversation about Hillary's Iraq war vote and depleted uranium.

[dflprincess]

103. Paul Wellstone also voted against the IWR

even after being told it would ruin his chances for reelection (it didn't his poll numbers started looking better).

He did not put his career ahead of the lives of our military personnel or the Iraqi people.

[Bluenorthwest]

113. Hey, in the 2008 version is was Obama wanting to dump nuke waste on poor people, but in reality

Sierra Blanca never got any such waste. Sierra Blanca did serve as the sewage treatment site for train loads of NYC sludge for many many years.
This happened, but no one speaks of it:
"This week the Texas Toxic Tour takes us to Sierra Blanca Texas, home to the nation's largest sewage sludge dump. The story examines how Sierra Blanca, a small town on the U.S./Mexico border, became the resting place for New York City's sewage. The video interview includes a meeting with several local residents concerned with unusual health problems. Additionally, this segment will focus on how the TNRCC ignored local health concerns and illegal dumping to support tripling New York's waste being dumped in the Lonestar State. "
http://www.txpeer.org/toxictour/merco.html

They called the trains 'The Poo Poo Choo Choo'. Went on for years. Never mentioned by those affecting great concern for that community......

[MFM008]

83. When someone has been given

False information , someone with a reputation like Powell. It makes a difference.
Quit trying to make it seem like she's been responsible for wars since Spartans destroyed Greece..
Like I said. 13 days.

[Cheese Sandwich]

89. She was actually one of the prominent Democrats that helped lead the way in supporting Bush in the

war vote. Most other Democrats did't fail like that. And millions of people were in the streets screaming to stop the war.

There is no good excuse.

[LonePirate]

90. I never knew Saddam Hussein had so many American sympathizers until Hillary ran for President.

Obviously if people are so opposed to Hillary's vote for the IWR, they must have preferred for the Iraqis to live under Saddam's rule. I suppose that life for them under Saddam would have been all rainbows and sunshine.

[jwirr]

94. I changed my mind on what I was going to say to you as I

would no doubt banned.

What I will say is that what Saddam did do to the Kurds in his country was done with chemicals supplied by the good ole USA. And don't bother to ask for a link. If you want to read about it look it up on google.

[EndElectoral]

98. It isn't just DU, the great majority of Americans polled regret it as a mistake.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/iraq-turmoil/not-worth-it-huge-majority-regret-iraq-war-exclusive-poll-n139686

and that was well before HRC or Sanders announced.

[jwirr]

100. Yes. I remember the huge anti-war marches in the cities and

Europe. And it did not take long for many to begin realizing that we should have handled the whole 9/11 differently.

[dflprincess]

104. Saddam Hussein was a SOB

but for a long time he was our SOB

And he didn't tolerate idiots like the Taliban or other fundamentalists nuts. He kept the region stable and a lot of people did have better lives before we decided they needed "liberating" because George W. wanted to show up his daddy and Cheney's Halliburton needed to be pulled back from the brink of bankruptcy.

[melman]

107. Holy Fuck

This shit sounds like Sean Hannity.

[The_Casual_Observer]

91. You are personally responsible as well since your tax money

was used to make those things.
Now get lost.

[Grassy Knoll]

95. How Odd, I Think Of Madame President...

Hope this helps your thesis.

[malokvale77]

99. I think of a lot of things...

None of them make me feel warm and fuzzy.

[dflprincess]

102. You just don't appreciate what a great business opportunity the Iraq war was

[pkdu]

105. Let it all out, all of it...in next 13 days.

[cpwm17]

108. The only reason half the Democratic Party was against the Iraq War

was because Republicans were for it.

Now that the leading Democratic candidate was a supporter of the Iraq War, and just about all other US wars, the phonies couldn't care less about these wars and the death and destruction they caused. The destroyed lives of relatively powerless people in third-world countries mean nothing to these bigots.

[Cheese Sandwich]

115. In this thread liberals calling people Saddam Hussein lovers if they were against the war

[LuvLoogie]

109. http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512120698#post1

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512120698#post1

[Fast Walker 52]

112. maybe you should seek some counseling, because that's fairly weird

[betsuni]

114. Whenever I think of cheese I think of death.

"Cheese is philosophically interesting as a food whose qualities depend on the action of bacteria -- it is, as James Joyce remarked, 'the corpse of milk.' Dead milk, live bacteria. ... The process of ripening in cheese is a little like the human acquisition of wisdom and maturity: both processes involve a recognition, or incorporation, of the fact that life is an incurable disease with a hundred percent mortality rate -- a slow variety of death. Still, there are a lot of very good cheese shops in France." (The Debt to Pleasure, John Lanchester)

[Cheese Sandwich]

116. I don't know i guess so