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Bernie will endorse and campaign for Hillary Clinton and will still be despised by her supporters. (Original Post) JRLeft Jun 2016 OP
That's okay, she will always be intolerable to me..n/t monmouth4 Jun 2016 #1
and to me 840high Jun 2016 #144
....No. If he behaves that way, he will be a gentleman. Zynx Jun 2016 #2
He dared to suggest she and the party were far from perfect TDale313 Jun 2016 #3
Newsflash: He's far from perfect too. brush Jun 2016 #8
I'm not with Clinton pengu Jun 2016 #86
Not yet. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #147
That's ok Shadowflash Jun 2016 #4
No, I would respect him if he campaigns for her like she did for Obama in 2008. Metric System Jun 2016 #5
Agree auntpurl Jun 2016 #6
HRC supporters will never admit it, but they never wanted a primary. JRLeft Jun 2016 #10
Well, duh. auntpurl Jun 2016 #15
Just hand it to her? SMFH! At least you admitted it, you hate Bernie because he ran against Hillary. JRLeft Jun 2016 #25
Uh, no. That's not what I said. auntpurl Jun 2016 #39
Which ones? JRLeft Jun 2016 #40
$15 min wage, dismantling ACA for single payer auntpurl Jun 2016 #45
Wow. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #70
You are exactly what is wrong with the Democratic Party. cui bono Jun 2016 #91
I'm a moderate. Not ashamed of it. auntpurl Jun 2016 #97
Yes, what you stand against is a moderate Republican stance. cui bono Jun 2016 #98
We need to kick the Republicans out of the Democratic party or start a new party. JRLeft Jun 2016 #105
First, that's never going to happen. auntpurl Jun 2016 #118
It would open up medicare for everyone, much better than the cost rising ACA. JRLeft Jun 2016 #96
So where do I begin: Karma13612 Jun 2016 #110
Well... auntpurl Jun 2016 #115
guess we will have to agree to disagree. Karma13612 Jun 2016 #132
$15 an hour is something like £28,000 a year after tax auntpurl Jun 2016 #136
Well, no one counted on an "interloper". And that, only because he was an libdem4life Jun 2016 #56
I know, its really insane isn't it? Karma13612 Jun 2016 #112
That was the plan as I remember it. A showdown of the two families libdem4life Jun 2016 #114
Very very true. Karma13612 Jun 2016 #119
Actually.an indictment sounds quite different SwampG8r Jun 2016 #99
NOBODY wants a primary. It's a money/energy sucker. kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2016 #23
+1 SFnomad Jun 2016 #26
It doesn't matter if they never wanted a primary or if they admit it. Arkansas Granny Jun 2016 #72
Who wants a primary? Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #139
Absolutely agree. nt anotherproletariat Jun 2016 #36
Well, grudges on DU can be long ones. Orsino Jun 2016 #134
If he gives a genuine endorsement, I won't say anything bad about him. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #7
Yeah, the "Well, she's at least better than tRump is" ... would hardly be an endorsement n/t SFnomad Jun 2016 #30
Spewing more bile today? Chasstev365 Jun 2016 #51
I guess the truth hurts ... sorry about that n/t SFnomad Jun 2016 #52
I have not heard that line since 5th Grade. Ouch. NOT! Chasstev365 Jun 2016 #55
You must have tunnel vision then .. I hear it from BS cheerleaders on a daily basis around here n/t SFnomad Jun 2016 #57
Right Back At You! We hear it all the time as well! Chasstev365 Jun 2016 #68
You just said you hadn't heard it since the 5th grade ... SFnomad Jun 2016 #69
We hear the HATE of Hillary supporters all the time. Chasstev365 Jun 2016 #73
You really might want to take your bitterness to some pity party where they would appreciate it SFnomad Jun 2016 #75
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #82
And now the potty mouthed true colors come out ... I really have no use for people like you SFnomad Jun 2016 #83
This message was self-deleted by its author Chasstev365 Jun 2016 #92
You have no room to talk. Just read your own damn posts. cui bono Jun 2016 #93
You must not read many of the posts from BS cheerleaders then ... as the weeks go on, they get more SFnomad Jun 2016 #94
Where as Hillary supporters, such as yourself, couldn't possibly get any more rude. cui bono Jun 2016 #100
That poster has 9 hides, member since 2008 but all their posts are w/in past 90 days Arazi Jun 2016 #104
There's some like that who joined in 2002. cui bono Jun 2016 #106
I've seen that too. Sucks Arazi Jun 2016 #108
When you can't argue the message, argue the messenger ... how typical n/t SFnomad Jun 2016 #109
While BS cheerleaders post crap OP after crap OP around here, Secretray Clinton supporters SFnomad Jun 2016 #107
Even half a loaf is better than no loaf at all... jonno99 Jun 2016 #67
.that^ 840high Jun 2016 #145
I don't despise him now. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #9
What's funny about Party Unity is there is an asymmetry between the powerful and the grassroots JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #11
I like to think that I knew this a year ago, 10 months ago, 8 months ago. pangaia Jun 2016 #22
Some of the more cynical recognized it could never be about Sanders because he wouldn't be allowed JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #33
They can't see it because they don't believe the money corrupts democrats. JRLeft Jun 2016 #46
He was "allowed" to win it ... he just didn't. His supporters wanted to go to rallies SFnomad Jun 2016 #34
Ed Rendell and others disagreed with your claim. JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #48
you confuse the fact we despise your behavior dsc Jun 2016 #12
Funny thing is you Clinton supporters never argue over policy. JRLeft Jun 2016 #14
Because that's where they lose. NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #16
Hillary has no core values, she does what her donors want her to do like all elected JRLeft Jun 2016 #20
I have and will argue over policy auntpurl Jun 2016 #18
I can provide many examples of threads about policy started by me dsc Jun 2016 #65
+1 Happyhippychick Jun 2016 #28
And Clinton supporters are as equally despised... leftinportland Jun 2016 #58
I don't despise Bernie and never have. I sincerely hope he will endorse and campaign for Hillary. Arkansas Granny Jun 2016 #13
Speaking of party unity, someone will have to address post #11 before Party Unity is achieved JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #37
I see it differently, it'll be a fig leaf of unity 2banon Jun 2016 #63
So true 2banon. +10 Karma13612 Jun 2016 #113
I see no chance for unity. Maedhros Jun 2016 #81
You're a great mind reader nt taught_me_patience Jun 2016 #17
Yes. I will turn the man off. Like I do with Republicans. Here is why. seabeyond Jun 2016 #19
DWS has been corrupted by campaign cash so has the democratic party. JRLeft Jun 2016 #21
Do not give me that one little piddly comment and expect anything. This man regularly insults me. seabeyond Jun 2016 #24
Further, he is not insulting me because of different positions. He is literally.... insulting, ME. seabeyond Jun 2016 #27
What did he say about you? JRLeft Jun 2016 #31
You do not know what he says about anyone that supports Clinton? Seriously? seabeyond Jun 2016 #35
Why does Bernie telling the truth about the DNC bother you? The DNC is owned by multinationals. JRLeft Jun 2016 #29
He isn't telling the truth. His Pinocchios is a mile now. I am not all the things he accuses me of. seabeyond Jun 2016 #32
The DNC doesn't take money from multinationals? JRLeft Jun 2016 #38
What are you going on about. As a matter of fact, we have seen such a lack of integrity he does not seabeyond Jun 2016 #41
You said he lied so I asked you, does the DNC taking money from multinationals influence JRLeft Jun 2016 #47
Again, don't know, not interested in your counter move. seabeyond Jun 2016 #50
Your non answer let's me know you know it's influenced but you don't care. JRLeft Jun 2016 #54
No. It means I will not be re directed by you. seabeyond Jun 2016 #64
And while your sentiments are shared, think about people feeling that way about HRC 2banon Jun 2016 #116
Lordy dude, so dramatic. Like you said something way insightful, lol. AH, no shit. One needs not seabeyond Jun 2016 #117
huh? not too fond of non-sequiturs. 2banon Jun 2016 #122
Lol, now personal attack and insults. seabeyond Jun 2016 #124
not intended to be offensive, friendly suggestion is all.. 2banon Jun 2016 #130
by the way, I'm not a dude. fyi. 2banon Jun 2016 #123
dudette. seabeyond Jun 2016 #125
I have answered to "dudette" :) 2banon Jun 2016 #127
me, too. nt seabeyond Jun 2016 #128
That is a pretty broad claim. I'll make the claim that if Hillary wins the primary, and if Bernie still_one Jun 2016 #42
I don't despise Sanders, but I have lost some respect for him during the primaries SFnomad Jun 2016 #43
+ a million auntpurl Jun 2016 #49
LOL!!! coyote Jun 2016 #76
It's pretty clear what group you fall in n/t SFnomad Jun 2016 #77
i really doubt it. I also doubt that you can know this, since none of this has happened La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #44
People have short memories in politics..... If Bernie and most of his supporters help to beat Trump kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2016 #53
not true.....nt asuhornets Jun 2016 #59
Not a chance...any Hillary supporter would... beachbum bob Jun 2016 #60
I do not hide the fact I don't like or trust him. hrmjustin Jun 2016 #61
Trashing Divisive Thread B Calm Jun 2016 #62
I think you are confusing despising him with despising his followers. anotherproletariat Jun 2016 #66
Bernie can endorse her and i still won't vote for her Robbins Jun 2016 #71
tRump thanks you for your support n/t SFnomad Jun 2016 #78
Bernie will endorse Clinton and his current supporters will despise him for it. JoePhilly Jun 2016 #74
Sanders will be the last person they will throw under the bus n/t SFnomad Jun 2016 #79
Well, we are working to the very last one standing. So you may be right. seabeyond Jun 2016 #90
YUP ... he'll be the only one left for them to toss under it ... JoePhilly Jun 2016 #120
That's what I was thinking n/t SFnomad Jun 2016 #121
Like Hillary supporters hated her when she endorsed Obama? Vinca Jun 2016 #80
re: "hate-a-thon from Hillary supporters"? ---- Project much? SFnomad Jun 2016 #88
You seem to be unaware of what happened in 2008. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #133
Either you responded to the wrong remark or you didn't get mine. Vinca Jun 2016 #135
He will not be despised by Hillary supporters. MineralMan Jun 2016 #84
Projecting much? nt. bullimiami Jun 2016 #85
projecting much? Fresh_Start Jun 2016 #87
The despite has been directed at Hillary on this message board. Sure applegrove Jun 2016 #89
No? Im not gonna argue the point because you are wrong. SwampG8r Jun 2016 #101
I'm sorry but most people were saying Bernie was too much of a saint. applegrove Jun 2016 #138
The thread " not good enough bernie" exemplifies the dehumanization SwampG8r Jun 2016 #143
Never happen, because Bernie will be the nominee pdsimdars Jun 2016 #95
Agreed, Bernie will endorse and campaign for HRC. Disagree with the rest of it. emulatorloo Jun 2016 #102
Sanders will be too MyNameGoesHere Jun 2016 #103
Spite is all they have. Maedhros Jun 2016 #111
BULL ^%$&$ MFM008 Jun 2016 #126
The Only HRC supporters I know of are here Ned_Devine Jun 2016 #129
Sorry to disappoint you, but no. Trump must be stopped. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #131
who cares? larkrake Jun 2016 #137
I really think the intense dislike is 'run-off' from his virulent supporters. randome Jun 2016 #140
Definitely not true oberliner Jun 2016 #141
Yeah, because the Berniestans are bending over backwards to support Hillary... Blue_Tires Jun 2016 #142
About as much as the Obama supporters did Clinton in 2008. joshcryer Jun 2016 #146

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
2. ....No. If he behaves that way, he will be a gentleman.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:06 PM
Jun 2016

Also, most polls show that the typical Hillary supporter holds no animosity toward Sanders.

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
3. He dared to suggest she and the party were far from perfect
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:07 PM
Jun 2016

There is a strong authoritarian streak among camp Hillary.

brush

(53,764 posts)
8. Newsflash: He's far from perfect too.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:10 PM
Jun 2016

Time to get past primary season animosities and work to defeat Trump.

Are you with me?

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
15. Well, duh.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:20 PM
Jun 2016

Everyone wants their candidate to win with minimal effort. You make it sound like an indictment.

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
25. Just hand it to her? SMFH! At least you admitted it, you hate Bernie because he ran against Hillary.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:27 PM
Jun 2016

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
39. Uh, no. That's not what I said.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:32 PM
Jun 2016

I didn't and don't hate Bernie. I don't like him, I disagree strongly with his policies, and his loud angry speeches grate on my nerves, but I don't hate him.

Trump? Yeah. That motherfucker I hate.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
45. $15 min wage, dismantling ACA for single payer
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:36 PM
Jun 2016

that will never pass, raising taxes to astronomical heights to make college free, banning fracking.

Shall I go on?

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
91. You are exactly what is wrong with the Democratic Party.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 03:19 PM
Jun 2016

You are spouting pure Republican values. No wonder someone like Hillary can get so many votes. Bill Clinton turned this party into Republican lite and Obama continued it.

This will be the end of the two party system, I hope. We need a party that reflects the values and principles of the FDR Democratic Party again. With just two corporate parties the people are not being represented.

.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
97. I'm a moderate. Not ashamed of it.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 03:53 PM
Jun 2016

I'm also a straight-ticket voting democrat. You want the Democratic Party to represent far-left values? Get millions of more votes. It's a free country - go for it.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
98. Yes, what you stand against is a moderate Republican stance.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 03:59 PM
Jun 2016

And you are using Republican wording (dismantling) to do it. Although, Hillary did use that smear as well, though she is also a moderate Republican based on policy stances.

I suspect what will happen is the Dem Party will break in two and a left party will emerge. Hopefully the same thing happens with the Republican Party, although I'm not sure it needs to. With so many undeclared people in this country I think a third party that stands for what the Dem Party is supposed to stand for, used to stand for before the neo-liberals took it over, will attract not only half the Democratic Party but maybe even half of those unaffiliated voters. More Republicans will switch to the Dem Party due to the insanity of having Trump as their nominee and we might just have a somewhat balanced three party system very soon.

.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
118. First, that's never going to happen.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 04:56 PM
Jun 2016

Second, because of our weird laws in the States, no one will get to 270 in that scenario and every president will be chosen by Congress. Or you can do what they do in the UK and have a coalition government. For several years, UK had the equivalent of Trump (Cameron) and Bernie (Clegg) trying to "govern" together. Except what happened was because the Tories had the majority, Clegg was sidelined on every major decision and the Conservatives gave no quarter. And the Lib Dems (far left, Clegg's party) sunk the chances of Labour (equivalent to Dems in the US) in that election and they STILL haven't recovered. So basically because the Left and Moderate Left couldn't get their shit together, the Conservatives ran rampant, fucking everything up.

Which is exactly what would happen with a 3-party system in the States. But you keep wishing.

Karma13612

(4,552 posts)
110. So where do I begin:
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 04:37 PM
Jun 2016

Are you saying that because a specific policy will never pass that it is a bad policy?

Maybe you are worried about the tax increase for college tuition because you do lots of trading on Wall street? Because that is how he has stated he will pay for tuition. It is going to be a transaction tax on Wall Street Speculation. If you fit in that group, then you are perfectly right to be worried. But, these transaction taxes are not going to hit those in the really middle and lower income families in this country.

Dismantling the ACA. You mean it's a bad idea to replace a for-profit driven health insurance system with a medicare for all system??? Again, are you really well off and don't have to be concerned about high premiums or high deductibles like those of us in the middle and low income bracket.

Right now, in larger cities, $15 an hour is still not enuf to make ends meet. And it isn't enuf for a simple rural lifestyle for a family of 2 persons.

Again, stating that his ideas will never pass does not mean they are bad ideas. It means we have a stinking Congress that doesn't give a rats patootie about the middle class.

And ?FRACKING?

There is nothing good about Fracking.

Absolutely. Nothing

Shall I go on???

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
115. Well...
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 04:47 PM
Jun 2016

To pay for the college scheme, EVERYONE'S taxes would go up. Because the states have to pay 1/3, either they raise taxes or cut other vital services (like pre-k through high school monies, or infrastructure).

ACA: should be expanded and improved, not dismantled. Single payer will never pass and isn't the right choice for a country that big anyway. The problem with the NHS in the UK is that it's a massive government entity so in order to get anything changed or improved for a particular patient population, you have to go through months and years of red tape. Individual trusts (hospitals) can't make decisions that benefit their particular patient populations because they can't move fast enough to provide appropriate care. And that's in the UK, a country with a population LESS than just California and Texas combined. Multiply that by 300 million and you have an intractable system that fails more people than it helps. And the cost would be astronomical. The UK is drowning under the weight of the NHS.

$15 an hour is not appropriate for a rural town in West Virginia, for example. It puts undue burden on small businesses. States and cities should pass min wage laws that are appropriate to their area. Pass a federal minimum wage of $10-$12 and send the rest on to the states/municipalities.

Fracking is the least worst option for keeping the country running while we build a clean energy infrastructure. Your choices are coal (dirtier than fracking), foreign oil (bad in so many ways), or fracking. If you have a way to magically build solar/wind/hydro overnight, PLEASE do it! But if not, I'm pretty sure you're going to need to heat your house, cook your food, and wash your clothes in the meantime.




Karma13612

(4,552 posts)
132. guess we will have to agree to disagree.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:13 PM
Jun 2016

You are basing a lot of your arguments on premises that are either false or not supportable.

These policies have not been totally spelled out, so you have picked premises to build scenarios that fail.

We have a Medicare system that works. You expand it to every one, and place a tax on earnings that are far far far less than premiums and copays for the average family. Since a lot of people who are young and not generally sick will be in the pool paying in, but not using the system as much, will help bring the overall cost down.

I live in a very rural area and we don't have a mortgage. We cannot sustain a household on $15 an hour. Again, you are stating that the $15 minimum is not appropriate because it will crush the local employers. So, basically, that just states its bad for business, regardless that reality is that people can't live on $15 an hour. Anywhere. By the way, you know that example of West VA you used? Well, if they want high speed cable, and live in a mountainous area, they will highly likely need satellite TV and internet. Do you have any IDEA how expensive it is? Horrendous. That is how we continue to sustain low information voters in this country. All they get is a couple crackly old local TV stations with FOX blasting all day telling them who to hate.

Fracking is causing earthquakes in places that never had them before. Fracking will become the stop gap measure that means we will stall on efforts to go sustainable. Yes, we are in a bit of a pickle. But, there are other countries that have gone green/sustanable and we need to quickly ramp up solar and wind. Not stall another decade and rely on increased use of fracking which is what is going on right now.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
136. $15 an hour is something like £28,000 a year after tax
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:38 PM
Jun 2016

That's going by a tax calculator website I used online, so it's unlikely to be accurate to the penny, but I rounded down by $700 so hopefully it's not too far off.

$28000 a year x 2 is $56000. I just looked at a 2-bed 2-bath house rental, pet friendly, in Wheeling West Virginia (it was the first town in WV I thought of) and it's $1000 a month. Nice hardwood floors. That's $12000 a year for rent. That leaves $44000 left to live on. I'm not going to break down the rest of car payments, bills, and food, but I think you could get by on that in a rural area where stuff isn't too expensive. And that's living in a really nice place compared to what else is on the rental market there. You could save a lot on housing if you wanted to.

I'm afraid high speed cable is not guaranteed to us in the Constitution.

You can't both rail against corporations and hamstring small businesses. People need to work SOMEWHERE.

Other countries have gone green and we will too. But other countries are 1/10 the size of the US and are able to get there a lot faster. We have, unfortunately, a country that was built on cheap gas and cheap electricity. We've sprawled across millions of miles. People live dozens or hundreds of miles from work, from supermarkets, from government services. Getting clean energy to all of them is going to take a long time, no matter how fast we ramp up. In the meantime, the country needs to run. I'd rather frack than burn coal. That's based on what environmental experts have told us about which is worse for the earth.

You're right, we can agree to disagree. But these are my opinions on Bernie's policies, which is what I was asked.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
56. Well, no one counted on an "interloper". And that, only because he was an
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:45 PM
Jun 2016

Independent and not bound to the Democrat's Clinton Doctrine of the election season...It's Her Turn, darn it.

The Republicans didn't count on Trump, either. Sad, in a way, when the outer "fringe" of each party has become strong enough to challenge the Establishment while a majority just don't give a damn anymore.

It was Jeb's Turn, too...well-known.

ETA: Who in their wildest Democratic dreams thought we would be faced with Trump...stop Trump...in a real election. Crazy, right?

Karma13612

(4,552 posts)
112. I know, its really insane isn't it?
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 04:39 PM
Jun 2016

Gosh, it seems only yesterday that we all thought it was inevitable that it would be a

Jeb vs Hillary showdown.

How things have changed in a few short months

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
114. That was the plan as I remember it. A showdown of the two families
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 04:45 PM
Jun 2016

of American Royalty. That would have been a ho hum primary season. No digging into history or malfeasance...plenty to go around on both sides and they know it.

Now enter Bernie ... It's Rich vs. Poor. The parties have been left out. Poor HRC, as they have so frequently said, has to campaign against Bernie and Trump. Neither one "fit" for her majesty. And both adversarial constituencies don't give a flying rip about any Party.

Karma13612

(4,552 posts)
119. Very very true.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 04:57 PM
Jun 2016

All I can say is, it's time for Poor to win.

And unless we do, the Rich won't have anything left to suck off.

We will be shriveled up empty shells.

Arkansas Granny

(31,514 posts)
72. It doesn't matter if they never wanted a primary or if they admit it.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 01:14 PM
Jun 2016

The fact is, we had a primary and Hillary is winning and, barring some catastrophe, will be the Democratic nominee. And she will be the nominee because she has worked hard for it, not because it was given to her.

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
139. Who wants a primary?
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 06:50 PM
Jun 2016

Foolish people...much better to have all your ducks in a row early and no fellow party person says stuff that can be used against you in a general. If you want to win a general...you don't want the risk of a primary. And of course, Sanders who promised a primary about ideas has bashed her repeatedly. He did some damage...too bad he ever got in...I wish Sanders had stayed in the Senate and done his job...the one he is paid to do.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
134. Well, grudges on DU can be long ones.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:15 PM
Jun 2016

But I think rank-and-file Dems aren't so invested in personal brands, and a year from now won't remember much of the rancor.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
57. You must have tunnel vision then .. I hear it from BS cheerleaders on a daily basis around here n/t
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:45 PM
Jun 2016
 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
69. You just said you hadn't heard it since the 5th grade ...
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 01:06 PM
Jun 2016

So which post of yours are you not telling the truth? Because it can't be both.

Chasstev365

(5,191 posts)
73. We hear the HATE of Hillary supporters all the time.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 01:15 PM
Jun 2016

BS Cheerleaders? Are you suggesting that they're aren't Hillary cheerleaders? You do it all the time.

For the record, I have said I will vote for her over Trump, yet still get called a sexist when I dare to question her in any way. NEVER have I heard a Clinton supporter praise an idea or policy o f Sanders.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
75. You really might want to take your bitterness to some pity party where they would appreciate it
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 01:23 PM
Jun 2016

BS Cheerleaders post crap OP after crap OP around here ... June 16th can't get here soon enough. Those that don't want to help the Democratic Party can go play at Free Republic, Red State or Jack whatever that place is. Fortunately there really aren't that many of you .. it just happens to be a loud mob of people.

Response to SFnomad (Reply #75)

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
83. And now the potty mouthed true colors come out ... I really have no use for people like you
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 01:50 PM
Jun 2016

You get condescension and looked down upon because you deserve it with your attitude and sense of entitlement.

The truth is the truth ... you can have your own opinions, you can't have your own facts.

Response to SFnomad (Reply #83)

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
94. You must not read many of the posts from BS cheerleaders then ... as the weeks go on, they get more
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 03:33 PM
Jun 2016

and more rude. I figure until June 16th, it will only get worse. I only get rude in reply to some of the rudeness I see ... and then they run for the fainting couches ... when people can dish it out, they should really be able to take it.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
104. That poster has 9 hides, member since 2008 but all their posts are w/in past 90 days
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 04:14 PM
Jun 2016

Things that make you go hmmmmm

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
107. While BS cheerleaders post crap OP after crap OP around here, Secretray Clinton supporters
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 04:25 PM
Jun 2016

are just supposed to smile and take it .... I think not.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
11. What's funny about Party Unity is there is an asymmetry between the powerful and the grassroots
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:15 PM
Jun 2016

Think back to the ascendant Sanders candidacy in January & February: Respected Party Leads (TM) aka SuperDelegates were openly supportive of a Bloomberg candidacy in the event Hillary lost the nomination. They suggested they'd bolt to him if the fall was a Sanders-Trump slamfest. One cannot forget that too easily. When the Hillary forces preach love and unity, don't forget they were willing to ditch the nominee in a heartbeat.

Why? It isn't about 'party unity' -- it is about using progressives as vote fodder while embracing a center-left or center-right (foreign policy) agenda. There was never any intention of respecting the party's wishes if we had achieved victory. So the asymmetry is that they can get away with words of support like that, but if we are to be Good Citizens(TM) then we have to back the nominee

((To this I have only one response: Nuts! I'll vote for who best represents my ideals which may be Clinton. In this respect I am no different than Rendell, that loyal Democrat ))

Let's not forget that either.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
22. I like to think that I knew this a year ago, 10 months ago, 8 months ago.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:25 PM
Jun 2016

But the truth is, I didn't see it. I was actually naive enough to think that Bernie Sanders would be allowed to win the nomination.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
33. Some of the more cynical recognized it could never be about Sanders because he wouldn't be allowed
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:30 PM
Jun 2016

There is just not a universe where he would be allowed to win.

But we can perhaps reform the party and send it in a different direction. Unfortunately the corruption and corporate influence that Hillary Clinton's wing of the party represents completely permeates the party. The Democratic party is, in my opinion, beyond repair in this regard.

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
46. They can't see it because they don't believe the money corrupts democrats.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:36 PM
Jun 2016

It only influences republicans. They truly believe that.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
34. He was "allowed" to win it ... he just didn't. His supporters wanted to go to rallies
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:30 PM
Jun 2016

and caucuses but not to the voting booth.

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
20. Hillary has no core values, she does what her donors want her to do like all elected
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:23 PM
Jun 2016

officials corrupted by corporate money.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
18. I have and will argue over policy
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:22 PM
Jun 2016

I disagree with Bernie's policies. If you'd like me to elaborate, I will.

dsc

(52,155 posts)
65. I can provide many examples of threads about policy started by me
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:57 PM
Jun 2016

with zero or damn few posts from bernie supporters that addressed the policy.

Arkansas Granny

(31,514 posts)
13. I don't despise Bernie and never have. I sincerely hope he will endorse and campaign for Hillary.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:19 PM
Jun 2016

That would go a long way toward developing party unity.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
37. Speaking of party unity, someone will have to address post #11 before Party Unity is achieved
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:31 PM
Jun 2016

Some of us have this pesky thing called a long memory.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
63. I see it differently, it'll be a fig leaf of unity
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:49 PM
Jun 2016

I think an endorsement from Bernie will give a false impression to Clinton supporters and acolytes the pretense of party unity for public consumption, and signal to the media.

But it'll simply be a fig leaf, and a dog and pony show to present to the world America's "democracy", which everyone loves to pretend we have.

He will do it of course, but no Sanders supporter will be deluded into thinking it's anything other than a fig leaf.




Karma13612

(4,552 posts)
113. So true 2banon. +10
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 04:44 PM
Jun 2016
He will do it of course, but no Sanders supporter will be deluded into thinking it's anything other than a fig leaf.
 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
81. I see no chance for unity.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 01:36 PM
Jun 2016

The Democrats used to be weak allies that progressives had to work with.

Now, the Democrats are opponents that progressives have to work against.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
19. Yes. I will turn the man off. Like I do with Republicans. Here is why.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:23 PM
Jun 2016

He has attacked Clinton, DWS, PP, the Democratic party. the supporters, the Democratic base the same as a Republican.

I do not respect him.

I do not want to listen to him.

Edit: Our President of the United fuckin' States, all our congress people, Democratic/rogressive heros, Super Delegates.

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
21. DWS has been corrupted by campaign cash so has the democratic party.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:24 PM
Jun 2016

You seem like you view the party as if it is a sports franchise.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
24. Do not give me that one little piddly comment and expect anything. This man regularly insults me.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:26 PM
Jun 2016

I do not have to listen to him insulting me.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
27. Further, he is not insulting me because of different positions. He is literally.... insulting, ME.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:29 PM
Jun 2016

Personal attacks. All the fuckin time. Just like so many supporters. Discussing issues and shifting to personal insults. Actually, that is not the same as Sanders.

Sanders just simply insults me constantly, because he thinks I am all that.... What ever he chooses that to be.

What is that? Then he demands I vote for him, then he insists I do not know what is good for me and to overturn my vote.

Hey, another insult.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
32. He isn't telling the truth. His Pinocchios is a mile now. I am not all the things he accuses me of.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:30 PM
Jun 2016
 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
41. What are you going on about. As a matter of fact, we have seen such a lack of integrity he does not
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:33 PM
Jun 2016

get to wear the "honest, truth, integrity" badge like he is separate of every one else. He does not automatically get to hold that up, as if it shields him from his lies and lack of integrity.

He is simply a politician. And that should be good enough for us.

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
47. You said he lied so I asked you, does the DNC taking money from multinationals influence
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:38 PM
Jun 2016

its policy decision?

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
116. And while your sentiments are shared, think about people feeling that way about HRC
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 04:53 PM
Jun 2016

just let that sink in a bit and imagine the effect of that for the next whatever amount of years.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
117. Lordy dude, so dramatic. Like you said something way insightful, lol. AH, no shit. One needs not
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 04:56 PM
Jun 2016

be a rocket scientist to get that. Still, that has nothing to do with anything.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
122. huh? not too fond of non-sequiturs.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:02 PM
Jun 2016

completely incoherent.

maybe it's time for you to take a nap, sleep it off. get's some nourishment, fresh air. or something.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
130. not intended to be offensive, friendly suggestion is all..
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:10 PM
Jun 2016

I know I need a nap, nourishment, fresh air and exercise, in fact I think I'll take me up some of it now. .. see ya later..

still_one

(92,138 posts)
42. That is a pretty broad claim. I'll make the claim that if Hillary wins the primary, and if Bernie
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:34 PM
Jun 2016

endorses Hillary, Hillary will still be despised by many Sanders' supporters

and based on a good number of Sanders supporters comments on DU, they won't vote for the Democratic nominee if it is Hillary

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
43. I don't despise Sanders, but I have lost some respect for him during the primaries
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:35 PM
Jun 2016

I don't despise the Sanders Supporters, they're idealistic, they're motivated and they just need to learn they have to back it up by going to the voting booth, not just rallies, caucuses and slogans.

Who I do despise are the BS cheerleaders who are doing nothing but trying to #BernTheHouseDown right now because they're bitter sore losers that would rather see tRump be President than to let Secretary Clinton win, because she had the nerve to stand in their way.

 

coyote

(1,561 posts)
76. LOL!!!
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 01:28 PM
Jun 2016

Like Hilliary's campaign strategy: slash and burn (bern), and worry about unifying the party later. She can stick it.

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
44. i really doubt it. I also doubt that you can know this, since none of this has happened
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:36 PM
Jun 2016

and you can't see the future.

kerry-is-my-prez

(8,133 posts)
53. People have short memories in politics..... If Bernie and most of his supporters help to beat Trump
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:42 PM
Jun 2016

it will be "us against them." Democrats vs. Republicans. Happens every election no matter how pissed we get. When Trump begins attacking Hillary, most of us will NOT be on the side of Trump.

 

anotherproletariat

(1,446 posts)
66. I think you are confusing despising him with despising his followers.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:57 PM
Jun 2016

Many of us spar with the Sanders followers here because they are so nasty and spread all those right-wing smears about Hillary. If we have to use your candidate as a convenient punching bag, then so be it. I don't necessarily dislike Sanders as a person, but I do dislike anyone who choses to run for president with big promises that have no concrete plans for actual success. I think it was unfair of him to lead on his followers in such a way.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
71. Bernie can endorse her and i still won't vote for her
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 01:10 PM
Jun 2016

if anything that would cause disillusment by his supporters because clinton is enemy of what bernie believes and supports.

her supporters will hate him since he dared to stand in way of her cornoration.Her supporters are fine with her going full on right.

Vinca

(50,261 posts)
80. Like Hillary supporters hated her when she endorsed Obama?
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 01:33 PM
Jun 2016

The current hate-a-thon from Hillary supporters is wearing thin.

TwilightZone

(25,464 posts)
133. You seem to be unaware of what happened in 2008.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:14 PM
Jun 2016

Nearly all of Hillary's supporters voted for Obama in November. Many of them joined local and state efforts to help ensure that he would win the presidency and to assist in getting down-ticket Democrats elected.

You planning to do the same for Hillary and other Dems?

Vinca

(50,261 posts)
135. Either you responded to the wrong remark or you didn't get mine.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:30 PM
Jun 2016

I've got to remember to use sarcasm smilies.

applegrove

(118,622 posts)
89. The despite has been directed at Hillary on this message board. Sure
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 02:42 PM
Jun 2016

Hilary supporters are getting frustrated and express it, but THEY have not dehumanized Bernie for months on end.

SwampG8r

(10,287 posts)
101. No? Im not gonna argue the point because you are wrong.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 04:08 PM
Jun 2016

He has been called everything from a communist to a.crusty old jew here by people.whose.only goal was.to.dehumanize him.
The day he announced a.race baiting picture was used here by hrc supporters.to equate him with violent police.action against black americans.
Maybe you didnt do it but dont ever let the rest off the hook for what they wrote about a man who is likely the only honest decent person in congress.

applegrove

(118,622 posts)
138. I'm sorry but most people were saying Bernie was too much of a saint.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 06:24 PM
Jun 2016

They were not attacking him with bile like they were Hillary. Lately some have complained. But most of the way through he was not dehumanized like she has been.

 

MyNameGoesHere

(7,638 posts)
103. Sanders will be too
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 04:11 PM
Jun 2016

Worn out to campaign. I would rather have President Obama do it, and it will be glorious, just Glorious.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
111. Spite is all they have.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 04:39 PM
Jun 2016

Spite for Trump. Spite for Bernie. Spite for Socialists. Spite for Progressives.

Spite. Yuck.

MFM008

(19,805 posts)
126. BULL ^%$&$
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:06 PM
Jun 2016

Sanders is more likely to be scorned for "SELLING OUT". I heard this out of the mouth of a young gal working for him.
I welcome a chance to pivot to fighting the real enemy with anyone,
Donald Trump and the republican party!

 

Ned_Devine

(3,146 posts)
129. The Only HRC supporters I know of are here
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:09 PM
Jun 2016

And for the most part, they're an awful bunch. And by awful, I mean spiteful, nasty, condescending, antagonistic and rotten. But I don't want to believe that they represent her supporters at large. However, if they do, it's not going to be a good election season for the democrats.

TwilightZone

(25,464 posts)
131. Sorry to disappoint you, but no. Trump must be stopped.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:10 PM
Jun 2016

Any help in meeting that goal is welcome. Sanders has the opportunity to make a positive impact toward that goal, and I hope he does so, as he has often said he would.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
140. I really think the intense dislike is 'run-off' from his virulent supporters.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 06:53 PM
Jun 2016

I don't have anything against Sanders. He's a decent man with great ideas. But I find myself hoping he loses -and soon- just so his foul-mouthed Clinton-Haters will shut the fuck up.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
141. Definitely not true
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 06:55 PM
Jun 2016

He is not despised by her supporters now, and once he endorses her all will be well.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
142. Yeah, because the Berniestans are bending over backwards to support Hillary...
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 06:57 PM
Jun 2016


River flows both ways, chief...
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