Sat Jun 4, 2016, 11:18 AM

Sheepshank (12,504 posts)

Has Bernie passed the point of no return?

There is something to the timing in this Primary election. There is a point in time, when the candidate unlikely to win can bow out with grace, dignity and party unity.

I think we have passed that point.

I think Bernie's continued dissing the party, Hillary and continued attemps to portray his campaign as viable, while at the same time promoting that the Primary has been rigged at every turn, has now damaged his campaign.

How does he bow out gracefully at this point? I don't think he can.

For all those that say he will do the right thing, unite his constituency behind Hillary and throw his full support behind Hillary...I don't think he can do that anymore.

I would hope I'm wrong, but many of the more vocal Bernie supporters here have made it perfectly clear, we have passed the point of no return.

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Has Bernie passed the point of no return? (Original post)	Sheepshank	Jun 2016	OP
The party is corrupted by corporate money.	JRLeft	Jun 2016	#1
Yeah...comments like this solidify my thoughts in the op	Sheepshank	Jun 2016	#4
The party is corrupted by corporate money and it doesn't represent us	Ned_Devine	Jun 2016	#32
The popular vote and pledged delegates are not corporate money.	Lord Magus	Jun 2016	#99
I believe there has been some funny business in certain states including mine, yes	Ned_Devine	Jun 2016	#101
Agreed. When asked Bernie and Weaver just keep moving the goalpost on what	politicaljunkie41910	Jun 2016	#61
Yup...you took the time to spell out much of the shit that is wrong with the BS campaign	Sheepshank	Jun 2016	#74
Interesting. You think Hillary is disliked not because of her own historical votes and stances...	MadDAsHell	Jun 2016	#77
She was considered one of the most admired	WhiteTara	Jun 2016	#82
And the thing that gets me about the "his momentum" argument is...what momentum?	Lord Magus	Jun 2016	#106
Lmao!	puffy socks	Jun 2016	#154
Here's a hard truth	BootinUp	Jun 2016	#33
Well said	Raastan	Jun 2016	#55
Hillary pays lip service, that is what corporate democrats do.	JRLeft	Jun 2016	#62
You don't have to feel the magic.	BootinUp	Jun 2016	#64
Can't solve a problem with the same old kind of candidate.	Orsino	Jun 2016	#73
JFK said we were going to the moon	LastLiberal in PalmSprings	Jun 2016	#87
He knew he had the money, etc	treestar	Jun 2016	#129
Do you shop at Walmart, Target, Sears? nt	asuhornets	Jun 2016	#80
I think he can, but it will take an effort he hasn't indicated he's willing to put in.	CrowCityDem	Jun 2016	#2
Sounds like you have some faith he could try	Sheepshank	Jun 2016	#7
It would be in his best interest to do it, if he wants clout in the Senate.	CrowCityDem	Jun 2016	#9
Bernie has made little effort to cultivate a support system with his peers.	Sheepshank	Jun 2016	#11
Yes the "my way or the highway" mentality	Andy823	Jun 2016	#16
oh give it a rest......	ciaobaby	Jun 2016	#31
Thanks for bumping my Op with so much confirmation of what is wrong with BS ers	Sheepshank	Jun 2016	#50
Sums it up very well	treestar	Jun 2016	#132
Bernie will not bow down	Meteor Man	Jun 2016	#3
IMHO Bernie's actions go well beyond providing every State the opportunity to vote	Sheepshank	Jun 2016	#5
Because every state has voted?	Meteor Man	Jun 2016	#17
Except he has been quoted saying it doesn't end there....	bettyellen	Jun 2016	#21
Of course it doesn't end there.	cui bono	Jun 2016	#34
I wish he would acknowledge the two person part is over by Tuesdsay and forget the flipping delegate	bettyellen	Jun 2016	#36
It won't be over on Tuesday. You know a certain amount of delegates have to be reached in order	cui bono	Jun 2016	#41
Well then he's just going to look silly, after insulting all those delegates....	bettyellen	Jun 2016	#43
Your 'concern' for Bernie's credibility is noted.	cui bono	Jun 2016	#49
As is your insulting tone. Still don't hate Sanders, lol.	bettyellen	Jun 2016	#58
MY insulting tone?	cui bono	Jun 2016	#63
It's not an insult to acknowledge the voters have chosen. Happens every election....	bettyellen	Jun 2016	#67
But one candidate WILL have succeeded by Tuesday.	Lord Magus	Jun 2016	#103
That's not what conventions are for	oberliner	Jun 2016	#128
He will have more of a voice if he stops trash-talking everyone.	randome	Jun 2016	#140
I'm in California. I haven't voted. Lucky you, if you have.	JDPriestly	Jun 2016	#78
He won't bow down to the American people either, if he still plans to take it "to the convention."	Lord Magus	Jun 2016	#102
Too bad. He is to take our grievances to the convention.	mmonk	Jun 2016	#6
Inconvenience? Nope I don't feel that at all	Sheepshank	Jun 2016	#8
+1,000 !!	CountAllVotes	Jun 2016	#12
This. (nt)	jeff47	Jun 2016	#88
Well that's one Sheep's opinion.	cherokeeprogressive	Jun 2016	#10
My point of no return was the day Hillary announced	PowerToThePeople	Jun 2016	#13
Enjoy your wall. N.T.	Donald Ian Rankin	Jun 2016	#22
We know. I never confused Sanders supporters with Democrats. They're now working for Trump.	NNadir	Jun 2016	#27
He can be the blunt speaking, man of integrity he claims to be. We are a forgiving party.	seabeyond	Jun 2016	#14
If someone aggregated the amount of time Bernie spent attacking Trump or the GOP versus...	BobbyDrake	Jun 2016	#15
I think the Democratic Party	LWolf	Jun 2016	#18
+ a gazillion. nt	Live and Learn	Jun 2016	#23
the dominant party faction is for Wall Street, war, fracking, and payday lenders	MisterP	Jun 2016	#42
Exactly. This is not about a two person race. It's about so much more than that.	cui bono	Jun 2016	#47
Actually, much of his constituency doesn't support him on the basis of issues at all.	Lord Magus	Jun 2016	#114
Sorry, but your interpretation is	NorthCarolina	Jun 2016	#123
How nonsensical.	LWolf	Jun 2016	#124
I don't buy for a second that you've heard Clinton supporters say they'll vote Trump.	Lord Magus	Jun 2016	#125
Again.	LWolf	Jun 2016	#133
Crossover vote for Sanders from Republicans isn't real.	Lord Magus	Jun 2016	#144
Sure it is.	LWolf	Jun 2016	#146
I assume you haven't heard Susan Sarandon's latest?	Sheepshank	Jun 2016	#150
Bernie should stay in the race	3hummingbirds	Jun 2016	#152
Being a founding and unrepentant member of the DLC/Turd Way will tend to lend to that impression	TheKentuckian	Jun 2016	#155
Meaning that you're swayed by memes rather than facts? -nt-	Lord Magus	Jun 2016	#159
No, I've been paying attention for the last thirty years.Those "memes" are well earned.	TheKentuckian	Jun 2016	#163
It will take the ultimate statesman to turn his ship around now. Time to see what he's made of. nt	eastwestdem	Jun 2016	#19
No, but he will in a few days time.	Donald Ian Rankin	Jun 2016	#20
If she's the nominee, it's up to Hillary to "unite" the party...not Bernie.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Jun 2016	#24
Actually,	Chicago1980	Jun 2016	#71
Is Hillary "broken"? Does she need fixing?	Tierra_y_Libertad	Jun 2016	#72
Technically sort of true, but deeply misleading.	Donald Ian Rankin	Jun 2016	#79
It's up to the loser to admit defeat, though.	Lord Magus	Jun 2016	#116
I think Bernie's on a kamikaze mission to wreck the Democratic Party	Zorro	Jun 2016	#25
He has expressed his hatred of the party for many	WhiteTara	Jun 2016	#85
When Hillary voted to kill 500,000 people was my point of no return	Android3.14	Jun 2016	#26
The Party is a Disaster. Standing tall with Grace and Dignity is all he has left.	Hiraeth	Jun 2016	#28
He is neither graceful nor dignified. He, and no one else is the disaster.	NNadir	Jun 2016	#39
He was not rejected by the people.	cui bono	Jun 2016	#48
Yeah, I know...there's that famous Bernie Math. He won! Because he has more votes than anyone...	NNadir	Jun 2016	#68
You certainly have a strange notion of what rejection is, but then you seem to be very worked up.	cui bono	Jun 2016	#69
Yeah, I am worked up. A guy named Trump is running and we have Sandernistas running his talking...	NNadir	Jun 2016	#75
You are not amused? Hilarious.	Hiraeth	Jun 2016	#95
It looks like so far he has been.	Lord Magus	Jun 2016	#109
Depends on which people. You stand with those people and I will stand with these people.	Hiraeth	Jun 2016	#51
And what does that have with the outcome for this primary?	Lord Magus	Jun 2016	#110
oh my stars and garters. Welcome to Ignore.	Hiraeth	Jun 2016	#115
Well, you are just wrong	GulfCoast66	Jun 2016	#91
Given two choices, I will always take the third. Why is it always an either/or proposition.	Hiraeth	Jun 2016	#92
Some always do	GulfCoast66	Jun 2016	#93
What do you think you are doing here? Educating me? Lecturing me? Gazing into your crystal ball?	Hiraeth	Jun 2016	#94
Well	GulfCoast66	Jun 2016	#97
I didn't say it Was Over but, I do think we are witnessing a restructuring of both parties	Hiraeth	Jun 2016	#98
Do not worry	GulfCoast66	Jun 2016	#100
Parlimentary Procedure with some updates to account for modern technology. Not against it per se.	Hiraeth	Jun 2016	#107
Even if the third choice is worse? That's not rational. At all.	Lord Magus	Jun 2016	#111
Bernie has clearly stated	Bjornsdotter	Jun 2016	#29
Exactly	Rosa Luxemburg	Jun 2016	#53
He has, but now he's moving the goalposts.	Lord Magus	Jun 2016	#112
Until the vote at the convention	Bjornsdotter	Jun 2016	#121
You're moving the goalposts.	Lord Magus	Jun 2016	#122
I suggest the following	Bjornsdotter	Jun 2016	#142
There is never an "official" nominee prior to the convention.	Lord Magus	Jun 2016	#143
I don't think Hillary is a viable candidate anymore	Waiting For Everyman	Jun 2016	#30
I think it depends on what he does in the next week.	NCTraveler	Jun 2016	#35
If she's the nominee, Clinton will be responsible for her results in November.	David__77	Jun 2016	#37
Exactly. Those of us who support her are very confident in that.	NNadir	Jun 2016	#40
I think that confidence is important.	David__77	Jun 2016	#46
Has Hillary? She's the one under FBI investigation.	cui bono	Jun 2016	#38
Yes, Sanders will win every delegate next week...the convention will be deadlocked and on the...	NNadir	Jun 2016	#52
"It's amazing how many people here refuse to be reality based."	cui bono	Jun 2016	#56
yes	Rosa Luxemburg	Jun 2016	#54
Please stop demanding that we invent new rules for this primary.	Lord Magus	Jun 2016	#113
I'm glad Bernie is fighting the fight	bigwillq	Jun 2016	#44
No way. All the way to the convention baby! I want his message out there loud and clear	Arazi	Jun 2016	#45
He will technically pass that point one week from today.	MohRokTah	Jun 2016	#57
In 08 Hillary stayed in until the end gave many reasons for doing so while castigating those who	Bluenorthwest	Jun 2016	#59
Even republicans knew when to call it quits	Sheepshank	Jun 2016	#60
That is not even vaguely comparable.	Lord Magus	Jun 2016	#117
It's not about the party. It's about the message and fighting for the American people. Go Bernie!!!	ThePhilosopher04	Jun 2016	#65
Even if the American People don't want him?	NNadir	Jun 2016	#66
More Americans want Bernie than Hillary. She can only win when independents can't vote.	ThePhilosopher04	Jun 2016	#90
Really? Bernie won more votes than anyone else?	NNadir	Jun 2016	#96
That is a LIE. Bernie has lost most open primaries.	Lord Magus	Jun 2016	#118
It's dicey	rock	Jun 2016	#70
I hope he pulls back from burning	MFM008	Jun 2016	#76
I know it's Hug a Cat Day, but I missed the Butthurt Over Bernie Day notice.	merrily	Jun 2016	#81
+1, Today's Brockian meme must be disseminated.	BillZBubb	Jun 2016	#131
He passed that point on the day he announced his candidacy for some here	Armstead	Jun 2016	#83
"Primary has been rigged at every turn,"	bkkyosemite	Jun 2016	#84
Bernie has never promised to deliver his supporters. He isn't a sheepdog.	aikoaiko	Jun 2016	#86
Claiming that he "might win it all" as a third party candidate is insane.	Lord Magus	Jun 2016	#119
You and those saying similar things are causing Bernie supporters to think that	LaurenG	Jun 2016	#89
If Sanders supporters get violent outside the convention hall, it's all on Sanders.	Trust Buster	Jun 2016	#104
I think the full history of sanders is what has to happen	beachbum bob	Jun 2016	#105
Everything you just said about Sanders is how I feel about HRC.	Hiraeth	Jun 2016	#108
lo...but really sanders is not who you thinks he is and thats the problem	beachbum bob	Jun 2016	#126
yes, because Hillary is all things to all people and Sanders may be toast but,	Hiraeth	Jun 2016	#138
Good way to put it, Sheepshank... I think he has.	Cha	Jun 2016	#120
No. Once Obama endorses...that is the point of no return	Feathery Scout	Jun 2016	#127
what if the previous sitting president is running for re-election, or is a Republican?	Sheepshank	Jun 2016	#134
I mentioned Obama...our sitting president...because he is the current head of the Democratic Party	Feathery Scout	Jun 2016	#148
How about now?	Sheepshank	Jun 2016	#162
I agree	jcgoldie	Jun 2016	#145
What a load of rubbish. He's entitled to stay in the race until the delegate votes are counted.	BillZBubb	Jun 2016	#130
Even Ted Cruz knew when it was time to bow out	Zambero	Jun 2016	#135
Ted Cruz wasn't winning any state primaries. He had ZERO appeal.	BillZBubb	Jun 2016	#136
He is ruining his shot at having a speaking slot at the convention.	randome	Jun 2016	#141
Not a fanatic	Zambero	Jun 2016	#149
We'll know in a week or two.	JoePhilly	Jun 2016	#137
We will know Tuesday	Demsrule86	Jun 2016	#156
I am pretty confident	Cosmocat	Jun 2016	#139
Go Bernie!. ALL THE WAY TO THE CONVENTION! Ignote the detractors!	jack_krass	Jun 2016	#147
There's no bowing out gracefully. The party is split between people who are sick of holding	PatrickforO	Jun 2016	#151
America has. nt	valerief	Jun 2016	#153
I think he will bow out Tuesday night or Weds morning. But we will see.	Maru Kitteh	Jun 2016	#157
I think many of Bernie Sanders' supporters...	tom-servo	Jun 2016	#158
He can redeem himself.	arely staircase	Jun 2016	#160
Yes...he has officially passed the point of no return	Sheepshank	Jun 2016	#161

Response to Sheepshank (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 11:21 AM

JRLeft (7,010 posts)

Has Bernie passed the point of no return?

1. The party is corrupted by corporate money.

4. Yeah...comments like this solidify my thoughts in the op

32. The party is corrupted by corporate money and it doesn't represent us

99. The popular vote and pledged delegates are not corporate money.

101. I believe there has been some funny business in certain states including mine, yes

61. Agreed. When asked Bernie and Weaver just keep moving the goalpost on what

74. Yup...you took the time to spell out much of the shit that is wrong with the BS campaign

77. Interesting. You think Hillary is disliked not because of her own historical votes and stances...

82. She was considered one of the most admired

106. And the thing that gets me about the "his momentum" argument is...what momentum?

154. Lmao!

33. Here's a hard truth

55. Well said

62. Hillary pays lip service, that is what corporate democrats do.

64. You don't have to feel the magic.

73. Can't solve a problem with the same old kind of candidate.

87. JFK said we were going to the moon

129. He knew he had the money, etc

80. Do you shop at Walmart, Target, Sears? nt

2. I think he can, but it will take an effort he hasn't indicated he's willing to put in.

7. Sounds like you have some faith he could try

9. It would be in his best interest to do it, if he wants clout in the Senate.

11. Bernie has made little effort to cultivate a support system with his peers.

16. Yes the "my way or the highway" mentality

31. oh give it a rest......

50. Thanks for bumping my Op with so much confirmation of what is wrong with BS ers

132. Sums it up very well

3. Bernie will not bow down

5. IMHO Bernie's actions go well beyond providing every State the opportunity to vote

17. Because every state has voted?

21. Except he has been quoted saying it doesn't end there....

34. Of course it doesn't end there.

36. I wish he would acknowledge the two person part is over by Tuesdsay and forget the flipping delegate

41. It won't be over on Tuesday. You know a certain amount of delegates have to be reached in order

43. Well then he's just going to look silly, after insulting all those delegates....

49. Your 'concern' for Bernie's credibility is noted.

58. As is your insulting tone. Still don't hate Sanders, lol.

63. MY insulting tone?

67. It's not an insult to acknowledge the voters have chosen. Happens every election....

103. But one candidate WILL have succeeded by Tuesday.

128. That's not what conventions are for

140. He will have more of a voice if he stops trash-talking everyone.

78. I'm in California. I haven't voted. Lucky you, if you have.

102. He won't bow down to the American people either, if he still plans to take it "to the convention."

6. Too bad. He is to take our grievances to the convention.

8. Inconvenience? Nope I don't feel that at all

12. +1,000 !!

88. This. (nt)

10. Well that's one Sheep's opinion.

13. My point of no return was the day Hillary announced

22. Enjoy your wall. N.T.

27. We know. I never confused Sanders supporters with Democrats. They're now working for Trump.

14. He can be the blunt speaking, man of integrity he claims to be. We are a forgiving party.

15. If someone aggregated the amount of time Bernie spent attacking Trump or the GOP versus...

18. I think the Democratic Party

23. + a gazillion. nt

42. the dominant party faction is for Wall Street, war, fracking, and payday lenders

47. Exactly. This is not about a two person race. It's about so much more than that.

114. Actually, much of his constituency doesn't support him on the basis of issues at all.

123. Sorry, but your interpretation is

124. How nonsensical.

125. I don't buy for a second that you've heard Clinton supporters say they'll vote Trump.

133. Again.

144. Crossover vote for Sanders from Republicans isn't real.

146. Sure it is.

150. I assume you haven't heard Susan Sarandon's latest?

152. Bernie should stay in the race

155. Being a founding and unrepentant member of the DLC/Turd Way will tend to lend to that impression

159. Meaning that you're swayed by memes rather than facts? -nt-

163. No, I've been paying attention for the last thirty years.Those "memes" are well earned.

19. It will take the ultimate statesman to turn his ship around now. Time to see what he's made of. nt

20. No, but he will in a few days time.

24. If she's the nominee, it's up to Hillary to "unite" the party...not Bernie.

71. Actually,

72. Is Hillary "broken"? Does she need fixing?

79. Technically sort of true, but deeply misleading.

116. It's up to the loser to admit defeat, though.

25. I think Bernie's on a kamikaze mission to wreck the Democratic Party

85. He has expressed his hatred of the party for many