It is not about hating Hillary. It is not about loving Bernie.

[Live and Learn]

It is about trying to bring politics back to supporting issues that people care about.
It is about taking corporation money out of politics.
It is about a fair economy system.
It is about a fair justice system.
It is about the environment.
It is about lifting all of us and not ignoring the poor.
It is about educating our populace so that we can compete in the world economy without becoming a third world nation ourselves.
It is about treating all people with dignity.
It is about freedom and ending mass incarceration.
It is about ensuring our elderly have enough to survive and enjoy their twilight years.
It is about the ensuring the children have a future.

It will not end in days or weeks or months or even years. We will never give up and we will win or we will have no future.

[djean111]

1. The people you are telling this to do not understand. n/t

[Juicy_Bellows]

3. I think many understand but simply don't give a rat's ass.

They wear condescension like a badge of honor.

[rhett o rick]

17. I think it's an authoritarian problem. The devotees feel more comfortable living by the guidance

of their chosen Authoritarian leader. You have to admit it's a lot easier than thinking for yourself. If you show them the list in the OP they will most likely agree those are important issues but then crawl back into their bubble muttering over and over, pragmatism, pragmatism, incremental steps, incremental steps." They totally shut down or attack with ad hominem attacks if you point out that the incremental steps they embrace will not reverse the trend toward the Rich assuming all the wealth. And they either don't care or don't understand that without wealth we have no power, no leverage and our democracy is totally dead. And some, when presented the list in the OP will retract in horror and scream "ideologue, ideologue."

[Juicy_Bellows]

19. You got that right.

It's scary so many of us so-called Democrats fit snugly into your description. The plea to authority always reminds me of religious thinking. There are some difficult, hard to answer questions so we can either collectively try and solve them or throw our hands up and say take me away Sky Daddy!

I did not mean to offend if you're the religious sort, it was just the closest comparison I could think of.

[Live and Learn]

24. So true. nt

[Maedhros]

56. Well stated. [n/t]

[BainsBane]

77. Who are the ones arguing elections should be overturned

To impose Bernie in power against the will of the electoral majority? You yourself, several times a day, express contempt for that electoral majority and justify your dismissal of their rights. Your contempt for your fellow citizens couldn't be clearer, so much so it is the subject of virtually every post you make, as your transparency page shows.

It is not Clinton supporters who insist their candidate is infallible, chosen by God or akin to Jesus.
Nor is Clinton the one who attacks anyone who disagrees with her as a corporate lackey or the establishment. That has been Bernie's response to every group, activist or individual who has criticized him in anyway, and his supporters follow his lead. That is far more authoritarian than what you so resent: citizens daring to vote as they see fit rather than as you demand.

[rhett o rick]

97. How ironic would that be if the Super-Delegates were to rule in favor of the People

and not the Corporations. Maybe they will recognize the corruption of the Clinton campaign from the billionaires, the bias of the Corp-Media for the Corporate candidate, and the bias of the DNC.

But they won't. They are a part of the corrupt Establishment that some find so comforting. They get campaign cash from the DNC and are therefore beholden.

And this is hilarious, "It is not Clinton supporters who insist their candidate is infallible, chosen by God or akin to Jesus." Yes, actually it is. The Progressive Wing supports issues and those that support those issues, if the candidates change their minds, ala Clinton, the Progressive Wing would drop them. This is unlike the Corporate Wing that chooses a tough authoritarian leader and don't care what so ever what her positions are. And if she changes positions, they change also.

A vote for Goldman-Sachs is a vote against helping the 2.5 million homeless American children. It's your choice. Do you really think the supporters of Clinton like Goldman-Sachs, Citibank, Chevron, Monsanto, Big Pharma, the Koch Bros, etc. are interested in helping the poor?

[BainsBane]

99. They are voting in accordance with the people's vote

and that is exactly what pisses you off. The "people" are not comprised entirely of you and your friends. Efforts to strip the Democratic majority of equal rights show a clear determination to subjugate that majority for the interests of a self-entitled few who simply cannot accept the fact the world revolves around them and them alone, and that other people's votes could actually matter.

To claim that Bernie is anticorporate is not substantiated by evidence. He has used Wall Street as a scapegoat while protecting the unfettered profits of gun corporations, big sugar, and the MIC. Somehow, for you and Bernie, profiting from lending and amusement parks is unacceptable, yet reaping billions of profits from killing and promoting obesity is a positive good. No one has yet even attempted to explain that contradiction.

Your slogans are trite and empty. They show a willful avoidance of policy and a political consciousness bound entirely to campaign rhetoric. You do not speak for "the people." What you want, what you are counting on, is the superdelegates nullifying the people's votes to ensure the self-entitled minority is able to grab power, despite showing themselves unable and unwilling to work to earn a majority of votes. Why should Bernie and his supporters worry about winning elections when their determination that the rest of Americans are so inferior to them is enough to justify seizing power by extra-democratic means?

The basic point you refuse to get is that you get one vote and one vote only, and that vote isn't more important than anyone else's. Contempt for equal voting rights and concerns for "the people" are incompatible. One cannot speak of the majority with utter contempt, and pretend to care about anything but the interests of a minority.

There is nothing more authoritarian than working to overturn elections and equal voting rights. That is precisely what Bernie and his remaining supporters are doing now, and in the process they show their abiding contempt for the rights of the people they claim to speak for, or rather than their conception of "the people" excludes the overwhelming majority of Americans. The memes circulated on social media by the Bernie or Bust crowed shows clearly whose rights they are targeting.

[SCantiGOP]

62. Juicy bellows:

Your post could serve as an example of the concept of "condescension"; kind of ironic, huh?

[BainsBane]

72. Or maybe we actually care about policy

And have actually examined the candidates policy proposals and voting record, something the list in the OP shows no signs of. Also we tend to believe that everyone gets a vote, not just Bernie supporters. I know that concept of equal voting rights is an anathema to a candidate and followers who repeatedly prroclaim themselves superior to the majority, but that's really their problem. You can resent the 13 million plus Americans who voted for Clinton all you want, but our rights still count. No amount of entitlement will enable Bernie to convince super delegates that the votes of the people should be overturned for his benefit.

If Bernie wanted the nomination, he needed to win a majority of the votes. Despite outspending Clinton 2-1, he couldn't do that, and has now turned to demands than the party hand him power because he insists his supporters are better than the lowly 13 million plus Democrats who have voted for Clinton. There is no moral high ground in such an argument--premised on the notion that all people are not equal. One cannot pretend to care about the people while working to dismiss their rights to choose leaders by the ballot box.

[MrMickeysMom]

31. Then, it's even more relevant...

There are none so blind as they who refuse to see.

[emulatorloo]

2. Bravo. I believe most all DU'ers understand and believe in this

[All in it together]

4. Yes, that's what we are talking about

It's not about Hillary except whether or not she supports our needs and wants.

But I do love Bernie because he does support our needs and wants.

[Live and Learn]

6. Yep, and for being brave enough to run. He did us a YUUUUGE favor in doing so.

I could never thank him enough for bringing all these issues to the forefront.

[larkrake]

26. amen

[asuhornets]

5. I'm sorry, but the anti Hillary post outweigh the pro-Bernie posts here. nt

[Live and Learn]

7. Looking through rose-thorn-colored glasses? nt

[asuhornets]

12. Bernie Sanders as well as his supporters, did alot of things wrong during this primary..

Own up to it..

[Live and Learn]

13. I think he and we ran an excellent campaign that generated a lot of enthusiasm and brought

important issues to the forefront. I realize not everyone appreciates enthusiasm or cares about important issues, though.

[rhett o rick]

21. Interesting that they speak of "unity" and yet show such arrogance like

telling us to "own up to it." Or "sit down and shut up." Their arrogance will be their downfall. They would rather Trump be president than Sanders, just because of their hubris. They think we are like them and will fall in line because we are told to. That thinking got us George Bush twice and may get us Trump.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

27. Matthew 7.4-7.5 N.T.

[Live and Learn]

42. Is that some kind of strange code? nt

[handmade34]

102. ;-)

yup, one of the 10 rules for safety in woodworking...

I think #9 "Never Reach Over a Blade to Remove Cut-Offs"

http://woodworking.about.com/od/safetyfirst/tp/safetyRules.htm



something about wood and keeping your eye on the prize

[Armstead]

110. Yeah from absolutely nothing to almost half the vote....Terrible job

Building a campaign that reached 10 million to her 13 million.....Up against a wealthy and powerful Political Machine.

yeah, we'll own that.

[MrMickeysMom]

33. You'll have that, but what else do you see?

DO you see anything else? That's the real question here.

[asuhornets]

40. I just told you what I saw...nt

[MrMickeysMom]

43. IOW.... nothing at all...

That's what I thought.

[asuhornets]

44. You can't take constructive criticism, just like Sanders...always someone else fault..nt

[MrMickeysMom]

48. That's the point... there was nothing constructive in your comment...

Just a lot of teeth gnashing and nebulous pejorative. Make an argument if you're going to. A good example would be why you feel one versus the other over real issues a president can best do something about.

[asuhornets]

54. Because it does not matter anymore--CLinton has won--no need for arguing..

I sincerely hope when it is all over , Senator Sanders will continue his political revolution that is inclusive of African-American, Latinos, Asian –American, and other ethnicity.

[MrMickeysMom]

55. News Flash just to the clueless: It ALWAYS mattered...

... Because it did not matter for the candidate we nominate carry forth a political revolution that includes everyone is your focus, since your focus relates to electing a favored person, not what they will do.

Got it!

[Live and Learn]

83. +1000 nt

[Autumn]

60. There are more pro Bernie posts here because Bernie supporters post about Bernie.

You Hill supporters should find stuff to post about her instead of doing nothing but posting shit about Bernie.

[asuhornets]

61. Not true..On GD: P alone most posts were anti-Hillary..Rarely there r pro-bernie posts.

because Sanders movement itself is anti-Hillary.

[Autumn]

63. Like I said, there must be some positive, nice things you supporters could post about her instead

of posting shit OPs about Bernie. The way it works is supporters of the other side usualy post anti pieces on the candidate they don't like. It's up to you people to post pro Hillary pieces. Not our fault you don't.

[asuhornets]

67. makes sense,,,,nt

[JDPriestly]

78. Do you think that Hillary can defeat Trump without Bernie supporters'

votes?

[PowerToThePeople]

64. It was not always so

Not until HRC supporters on DU started getting nasty and timeouts en masse did Bernie supporters here start going negative.

Then the pardon on timeouts allowing the worst of the worst to come back.

Then Brock trolls by the dozen.

Of course we are not going to just sit here and take it.

You reap what you sow.

[asuhornets]

65. The way I see it --When Sanders supporters here at DU knew they were in the majority

that's when all hell broke loose. I guess you all were trying to convince everyone to vote for Sanders. But it did not work out that way.

[PowerToThePeople]

66. You did not see what I saw then.

[senz]

71. Facts are neither "anti" nor "pro." Insults are always "anti."

Unpleasant facts on Hillary's record are not insults.

[Live and Learn]

84. +1000 nt

[Uncle Joe]

8. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Live and Learn.

[highprincipleswork]

9. Exactly.

[onecaliberal]

10. Hear, hear!

Thank you!

[me b zola]

11. ^^^THIS^^^

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

14. Scrutinizing and criticizing candidates does not equal "hate".

It is democracy.

If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen. Harry S. Truman

[SidDithers]

15. The right hates Hillary. The fringe left hates Hillary...

And there's not a dime's worth of difference between the two.

Sid

[Live and Learn]

16. Ridiculous. nt

[tabasco]

20. Simple minds usually think in simple terms. n/t

[rhett o rick]

22. The OP gives a good list of what the "fringe left" would like. If they are so terrible

what on the list do you dislike?

[rhett o rick]

30. Not everyone hates Hillary - Kissinger, Richard Perle, the Neocons, the Banksters, Wall Street,

Goldman-Sachs particularly likes her (they got their eyes on SS), Citibank, Monsanto, the Corp-Media, the whole Military Industrial Complex, the Prisons For Profits, Chevron, Walmart, General Electric, big Pharma, Koch Bros, the Wealthy 1%, etc.

[SidDithers]

46. Hehehe...

If you'd said "oligarch rulers" too, I would have had an "X" in cliche bingo.

Sid

[G_j]

35. The fringe left

again.. Is just a figment of a fevered imagination.

[DrDan]

45. yep - haters abound

[MrMickeysMom]

49. There is only right and fringe for you, Sid...

That's why you're so entertaining!

[libdem4life]

59. Stunning and obtuse. And authoritarian...almost forgot. LOL

[BainsBane]

74. I believe people forsake the claim to being part of the left

When they repeatedly show contempt for the majority of Americans and their right to choose their leaders by an electoral majority. We have witnessed Bernie make an argument that he should be the nominee because 1) polls from corporate media outlets show him doing better against Trump; and 2) super delegates should act to subvert the electoral majority because they need to understand his supporters are simply more important.

So we have an argument that insists corporate polls trump the votes of mere citizens and another arguing some people's reactions more equal that others. I fail to see how there is anything leftist in that.

Also remember that most of the attacks by Bernie and co I. This election have been focused on the left: Planned Parenthood, unions, civil rights activists, HIV activists, etc... Not to mention the contempt for the poorest and most disenfranchised voters.

[Live and Learn]

85. So you are not the judge or who can claim the left? Too bad your posts speak otherwise.

As does your choice of candidate.

[BainsBane]

91. How does my post speak otherwise?

It describes Bernie's argument for nomination.

I understand you all have decided political ideology is determined entirely in terms of assessment of two members of the political elite. I disagree, particulatly since recent data published in the NY Times shows large numbers of Sanders voters don't even support the policies he advances. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/23/opinion/campaign-stops/do-sanders-supporters-favor-his-policies.html?src=me&_r=1
It's also a transitory and shallow way of looking at political ideology.

Then there is the fact that none of the positions you list above are unique to Bernie.

[NurseJackie]

93. It's a like a horseshoe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory

[Trust Buster]

23. Wow, you would have to be blind to think that, to many Sanders supporters on DU, It's all

about hating on Hillary. It's stunning that you could make a statement like that in lieu of month's worth of evidence on DU that suggests otherwise.

[brooklynite]

25. Perhaps our vision comes from the fact that DU voices HATED Clinton long before Sanders got in...

Remember all the self-convincing that Warren would REALLY decide to run at some point?

[Trust Buster]

29. Yes, but still, how can anyone claim that Sanders supporters on DU haven't hated on Hillary ?

They've been totally vicious IMO. No better than what I've witnessed from Right wingers on other sites. They were even floating the Vince Foster nonsense all over again.

[Live and Learn]

28. Disliking policy decisions like supporting illicit wars does not equate to hatred for an individual.

It does mean I won't vote for such an unethical individual though.

[Trust Buster]

32. Calling her a "baby killer" is hateful. Many Sanders supporters did that. Yesterday they even

called her a war criminal. You can play the "our hands are clean" game but even you don't believe that.

[Live and Learn]

34. Well, wars do kill babies. An ugly fact that many would like to ignore. nt

[brooklynite]

36. Remind me what the F-35 is intended for?

[Live and Learn]

37. Nothing but jobs from what I have read. Do you have a problem with jobs? nt

[Wilms]

39. Oh, BK-ite. That's a VERY specious argument.

And you know that damn well.

You certainly don't owe me...but as I have said before...I expect better of you.

[randome]

57. Reminder: Sanders said he would continue the use of drones.

As has been said, no one's hands are clean.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[DrDan]

38. sorry - I have a hard time believing that - if it were true, there would be no BoBs

hatred for Hillary is real

[Live and Learn]

41. As I stated above, refusing to vote for an unethical candidate does not equal hate. nt

[eastwestdem]

47. I can understand you love all of those things. But I have not seen him produce one single

workable and realistic plan to deal with any of these issues. He doesn't have the experience to be able to make these massive changes. Just because he wants the right things does not mean he is the person to accomplish them.

When I took a good look at the candidates last summer, this is what stood out, and why I chose to support Hillary. I don't hate Sanders either. In fact, I really love many of his ideas. But putting forth popular ideas is the easy part. Putting forward realistic ideas doesn't have the same optics, but is much more commendable.

[Live and Learn]

50. I can respect that but if your candidate doesn't even talk about the important issues,

what makes you think she will do anything about them? These are not issues that can wait. We are already far down the rabbit hole.

[senz]

73. Well then you don't know much about Bernie Sanders

His issues and concrete proposals with payment plans have been on his website since last Spring. Each is well thought-out, and they are his own; he doesn't pay others to write them for him. Hillary's "proposals" were written for her by others, one of whom is Sherrod Brown who said so in an NPR interview.

Bernie's issues and proposals: https://berniesanders.com/issues/

How he will pay for them: https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-bernie-pays-for-his-proposals/

Bernie has much more experience than Hillary. He was a popular, successful mayor for four terms. Then he was elected to the House of Representatives where he served for many years, accomplishing a great deal even under Republican administrations. Then he ran for the Senate, where he has been serving in recent years.

He has eight years in executive office and 25 years in the U.S. legislature. To get an idea of what he accomplished, click on the links in my sig line.

Hillary accomplished very little in her carpetbagged Senate career. She made huge messes as SOS -- which she got through a post-election deal with Obama. She was lousy in that capacity. The difference between her and Secretary Kerry is night and day.

[eastwestdem]

96. It's not paying for the proposals that's at question. It's getting them through congress.

He has been in congress for 20 years, and yet has not made the alliances necessary for anyone to feel that he could even begin to push through less ambitious plans. BUT, given that his issues are so opposed by the right, there is virtually no way that any of what he wants will ever happen during the term of a single president.

[senz]

98. Repubs hate Hill. Bernie gets things done under GOP administrations.

The following is a list of every substantive bill and amendment Sanders sponsored from the floor of Congress that became law (substantive meaning legislation renaming post offices is not included). Many of the roll-call amendments he passed with majority approval — like limiting the federal government’s ability to spy on people’s library records — were removed from bills when the House and Senate negotiated over the final legislative text and did not become law.

Because the list is derived from Congress’ official database of floor actions, it does not include achievements like his insertion of funding for veterans health care into an Iraq war spending bill because that occurred off of the House floor while the bill was in conference. Nor does the list include what is perhaps his most significant achievement — providing health care to an additional 10 million mostly low-income Americans by getting Senate majority leader Harry Reid to add $11 billion in funding for community health centers that provide care regardless of a person’s ability to pay to the 2010 Affordable Care Act in exchange for Sanders rallying liberal Democrats who were considering voting against the bill once conservative Democrats removed the public option.

Those who mistakenly believe that a President Sanders would be powerless in the face of a hostile Republican Congress should bear in mind that he managed to pass these bills and amendments in spite of Republican control of both the House (1995-2006) and the presidency (2001-2008). Furthermore, it was Republicans in the House and Senate who compromised with him (not the other way around) on major veterans legislation in 2014. His original bill expanding services for veterans and fixing the scandal-ridden Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) cost $17.3 billion. The price tag of the final compromise bill? $16.3 billion.

H.R.4206 (Cancer Registries Amendment Act) enacted as S. 3312 (Cancer Registries Amendment Act).

H.Amdt. 98 to H.R. 665 (Victims of Justice Act of 1995)

H.Amdt. 210 to H.R. 830 (Paperwork Reduction Act of 1995)

H.Amdt. 1203 to H.R. 3666 Departments of Veterans Affairs and Housing and Urban Development, and Independent Agencies Appropriations Act, 1997

H.J.Res.129 enacted as S.J.Res.38 (A joint resolution granting the consent of Congress to the Vermont-New Hampshire Interstate Public Water Supply Compact)

H.Amdt.174 to H.R.1757 (Foreign Affairs Reform and Restructuring Act of 1998)

H.Amdt.267 to H.R.2160 (Agriculture, Rural Development, Food and Drug Administration, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 1998)

H.Amdt.289 to H.R.2266 (Department of Defense Appropriations Act, 1998) -- National Guard Starbase program

H.Amdt.368 to H.R.2378 (Treasury and General Government Appropriations Act, 1998) -- Prohibit funds for the U.S. Customs Office from being used to allow the importation into the U.S. any material mined, produced, or manufactured by forced or indentured child labor.

H.Amdt.388 to H.R.2267 (Departments of Commerce, Justice, and State, the Judiciary, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 1998)

H.Amdt.569 to H.R.6 (Higher Education Amendments of 1998)

H.Amdt.614 to H.R.3694 (Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 1999) -- Reduce the intelligence budget for fiscal year 1999 by 5% with an exemption for the CIA Retirement and Disability Fund.

H.Amdt.626 to H.R.10 (Financial Services Act of 1998) -- Require the Comptroller General to report to Congress regarding the efficacy and benefits of uniformly limiting any commissions, fees, markups, or other costs incurred by customers in the acquisition of financial products.

H.Amdt.706 to H.R.4101 (Agriculture, Rural Development, Food and Drug Administration, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 1999) -- Increase funding for nutrition programs for senior citizens by $10 million

H.Amdt.708 to H.R.4103 (Department of Defense Appropriations Act, 1999) -- Prohibit funding to be used to enter into or renew a contract with any company owned, or partially owned, by the People’s Republic of China or the People’s Liberation Army of the People’s Republic of China.

H.Amdt.724 to H.R.4104 (Treasury and General Government Appropriations Act, 1999) enacted as H.R. 2490 (Treasury and General Government Appropriations Act, 2000) -- National Archives and Records Administration improvements

H.Amdt.127 to H.R.1906 (Agriculture, Rural Development, Food and Drug Administration, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 2000)

H.Amdt.136 to H.R.1906 (Agriculture, Rural Development, Food and Drug Administration, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 2000) -- national pilot program to promote agritourism

H.Amdt.258 to H.R.2466 (Department of the Interior and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 2000) enacted as H.R.3194 (Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2000) -- deficit reduction; and reduces fossil energy research and development funding

H.Amdt.442 to H.R.2684 (Departments of Veterans Affairs and Housing and Urban Development, and Independent Agencies Appropriations Act, 2000) -- health care services for veterans in rural areas

H.Amdt.791 to H.R.4577 (Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2001) -- (relating to the availability to the public of an invention and its benefits on reasonable terms)

H.Amdt.818 to H.R.4578 (Department of the Interior and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 2001) -- weatherization assistance and energy conservation programs and reduce fossil fuel energy research and development programs

H.Amdt.238 to H.R.2590 (Treasury and General Government Appropriations Act, 2002) -- Prohibit the importation of goods made by forced or indentured child labor.

H.Amdt.376 to H.R.3061 (Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, and Education, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 2002) -- relating to the availability to the public of an invention and its benefits on reasonable terms

H.Amdt.404 to H.R.3338 (Department of Defense and Emergency Supplemental Appropriations for Recovery from and Response to Terrorist Attacks on the United States Act, 2002) -- Provide $100 million for federally qualified community health centers.

H.Amdt.255 to H.R.2691 (Department of the Interior and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 2004) -- Increase funding for weatherization assistance grants

H.Amdt.336 to H.R.2861 (Departments of Veterans Affairs and Housing and Urban Development, and Independent Agencies Appropriations Act, 2004) enacted as H.R.2673 (Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2004) -- Prohibit the use of funds in the bill to implement any policy prohibiting the Directors of the Veterans Integrated Service Networks from conducting outreach or marketing to enroll new veterans within their respective networks.

S.Amdt.737 to H.R.1591 (U.S. Troop Readiness, Veterans’ Care, Katrina Recovery, and Iraq Accountability Appropriations Act, 2007) -- fund weatherization assistance program

S.Amdt.1515 to H.R.6 (Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007) -- Establish an energy efficiency and renewable energy worker training program

S.Amdt.1525 to H.R.6 (Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007) -- use of solar hot water heaters in certain Federal buildings

S.Amdt.4384 to H.R.3221 (Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008) -- Increase specially adapted housing benefits for disabled veterans.

S.Amdt.1658 to S.1390 (National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2010) -- re child care available to deployed members of the reserve components of the Armed Forces

S.Amdt.2271 to H.R.2997 (Agriculture, Rural Development, Food and Drug Administration, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 2010) -- funds for the school community garden pilot program

S.Amdt.2601 to H.R.3326 (Department of Defense Appropriations Act, 2010) -- veteran outreach and reintegration services

S.Amdt.3738 to S.3217 (Restoring American Financial Stability Act of 2010) -- let the American people know the names of the recipients of over $2 trillion in taxpayer assistance from the Federal Reserve System

S.Amdt.306 to H.R.1 (American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009) -- Require recipients of TARP funding to meet strict H-1B worker hiring standard to ensure non-displacement of U.S. workers

S.Amdt.1658 to S.1390 (National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2010) -- report to Congress on financial assistance for child care available to deployed members of the reserve components of the Armed Forces.

S.Amdt.4280 to H.R.4899 (Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2010) -- make publicly available the contractor integrity performance database established under the Clean Contracting Act of 2008

S.2450 (Veterans’ Access to Care through Choice, Accountability, and Transparency Act of 2014) enacted as H.R.3230 (Veterans Access, Choice, and Accountability Act of 2014) -- VA reform bill

S.893 (Veterans’ Compensation Cost-of-Living Adjustment Act of 2013) -- increase rates of veterans’ disability compensation, additional compensation for dependents, etc.

S.Amdt.2146 to S.1471 (Alicia Dawn Koehl Respect for National Cemeteries Act) – re interring the remains and honoring the memory of a person in a national cemetery

https://pplswar.wordpress.com/2015/11/11/what-bernie-sanders-got-done-in-washington-a-legislative-inventory/

[Arazi]

51. Kicked and recced!! eom

[Sheepshank]

52. No...there has been clear hate rhetoric here against Hillary

It has been a pretty serious point of contention.

[Live and Learn]

53. And against Bernie but that isn't what this OP is about. nt

[Orsino]

58. But "hate" is such a lovely, simple talking point!

Are you absolutely positive we can't sum up the political aims of millions of voters with it? Or the needs of the nation and world?

[Demsrule86]

68. You lost

It is over...no matter how much you love Bernie. There is no place to go in the primary which is over. I don't know what we are supposed to do for you.

[Live and Learn]

69. LOL Thanks for demonstrating how ineffectual and pathetic such tactics are. nt

[Demsrule86]

92. I don't undertand what you want or need?

Bernie has lost that is a fact..that is reality. What else can be said? I am not trying to be mean but what would satisfy you short of Bernie winning?

[unapatriciated]

105. I can tell you what would satisfy the majority of Sanders supporters.

It is simple and done all the time in politics. Clinton did it with Gore and Obama did it with Hilary.
Give us a voice in regards to the party platform, instead of calling us losers who have no say. We are not a small minority we are almost half of the party.

I have been a registered D since 1972 and wish to remain one, but my party has changed a lot since then. Big money has infiltrated and they have pitted us against each other, poor against working class...working class against middle class and so on and so on. By keeping us divided they win and we lose.

[Demsrule86]

106. Bernie already was able to put people on the platform of his choosing

That is done.

[unapatriciated]

107. Yes he has and that's a start.

but we do not know yet what will and will not be implemented in our platform. If HRC and the party embrace a few of Sanders policies it will help to bring us together. During the campaign she did shift more to the left and that was a good thing. Climate Change should be our top priority, we have ignored it far too long. We could use it to address other issues like providing employment through green jobs and technology. This is not to say that other issues are not important but if we don't address what is happening to our planet, my grandchildren and their children will be the ones who suffer, me I will be dead and gone.

My comment was more about the many posts I have seen on DU calling Sanders supporter losers, not really D's, we are not needed nor wanted and we all just need to shut up. I realize there has been nasty post from both sides but lately there has been far too many name calling post from safe havens. That is not the way you unify.

My entire family (we are a large and diverse group) voted and support Sanders because of his policies not because he is white or male (he is just the messenger).

Yet the majority of post I see are that we are white, male and privileged. They think we all just want free stuff (I'm actually lucky and old enough to have had access to tuition free college), all we are asking for is a fair share of what our labor has produced. We are asking that our party, who we have supported for years with our dollars and time include us when it comes to policy.

Like I said in my first reply I have been a D since 1972 (my first vote) and it saddens me to see that the things that I hold dear no longer matter.

[Demsrule86]

108. Bernie gets a chance to make his case

I think certain issues will end up in the platform...like minimum wage....nothing that disparages Obamacare will make it. And it shouldn't, but everyone is in agreement that we need to start moving toward single payer so that could be in...the Palestinian thing won't make it and would be a bad idea. I support a two-state solution, but it should not go in the platform. As for being angry at the behavior of Clinton supporters...I was just called a vagina voter by a Sander's supporter. Also, many Hillary supporters were alert stalked and pushed out of DU early in the campaign...and we have dealt with rigged juries too...although that seems a bit better now. So it cuts both ways. I do not say people support Bernie for free stuff because everyone knows that with the House as it is now...none of that gets through. I am voting for the courts. I have no doubt that you are sincere in your support of Bernie. But so am I. I support Hillary. And being a white male does give you a certain privilege that women and people of color have never had. That is a fact. This doesn't mean you are misogynist or racist...society assigns this ...it is not an individual choice. You are older than I am. I would think you are old enough to understand how dangerous Trump is. Bernie has lost this primary for many reasons. I do not support him because I don't think he can win a general...and the courts are too important for me to risk it. Also, I like Hillary Clinton. My kids liked Bernie...but will vote for Clinton in the fall because young as they are, they see the danger Trump poses to every bit of liberal progress since Roosevelt. I would like to mention 'free college'. I lived in Georgia for a number of years and we had something called the Hope scholarship...from the last Democratic governor. It has not gone well. Those that truly need the help, don't get it. And the wealthy who have access to great schools and tutors...reap most of the benefits. This program has also caused tuition to increase. You have to be very careful with this. One of the ways this would be paid for is with payroll taxes which means raising taxes on the middle class and the poor...So some of the poorest areas of Atlanta who send their kids to schools a dog should not attend would pay for the wealth mostly white kids to go to college. It is a bad idea. I want relief for college kids but we need to improve k-12 to give all kids a chance. And I personally think community colleges could help in this endeavor. In any case, I will be glad when this primary is behind us because at the end of the day we have much more in common than that which separates us. We must elect a Democrat in order to save the courts if for no other reason.

[unapatriciated]

109. Thank You for your reply

This is more or less what the majority of Sanders supporters are talking about in regards to the platform and a seat at the table. Yet a lot of Clinton supporters (on DU) call him a loser with no right to ask for anything. They have short memories or they are new voters. compromise is done all the time after primaries, Clinton did it with Gore and Obama did it with HRC.

Yes there has been poo flung from both camps. What has saddened me were the members who I have been friendly with for a few years, now call me a bagger, libertarian or just an idiot. I have discussed my youngest son's illness and my fight for single payer (since the early 90's) with them. So it is hurtful that they would believe that, but I will get over it. It will not stop me from advocating for the policies that I have been supporting since 1972, no matter who is running or wins the WH.

I lived in the Atlanta area for six years, so I understand what you are talking about in regards to the education system there.
I grew up in California when State and Community colleges were either low cost or free (depending on income and grades). I also agree we need to improve k-12, but would like to see that extended to pre school as well as two years of community or trade.

I have always stated that I will vote for the nominee, but would like to enthusiastically support HRC. That is why our voices need to be heard.

Yes we have a lot more in common than many on this board realize.

Sorry it took me a few days to reply. This will probably be my last post for awhile. I found out last night that my middle son's biopsy came back malignant. He was diagnosed with squamous cell carcinoma of the salivary gland. I will be flying to the west coast to take care of my grandchildren on Thursday.

take care

[BainsBane]

70. It's about accepting the fact that other people also have a right to vote

and the great majority chose Hillary. No one is stopping you from loving Bernie, but you do not get to take away the voting rights of the majority because you can't accept the fact that the votes of others actually matter.

Clinton has 25% more votes than Bernie. It's not even close. At some Bernie and his supporters are going to have to come to terms with the fact that they don't get to impose their wishes over the majority, who have a right to chose their leaders as they see fit.

[senz]

75. There are nine primaries left.

Sorry, you can't just hand it to Hillary. The remaining states have to vote first.

Hillary has 1771 pledged delegates. Bernie has 1487 pledged delegates (284 fewer than Hill).

Hillary needs 612 more pledged delegates to get to 2383 pledged delegates, the winning number.

There are only 781 pledged delegates left in the remaining nine primaries:

Virgin Islands, PR, CA Mont NJ, NM, ND SD, DC

Even if Hill does well in several states, she will not be able to reach 2383.

She has not won and cannot win without superdelegates. Same for Bernie.

When Hill supporters say "it's over," they're being arrogant -- as well as undemocratic.

[BainsBane]

79. She's 61 delegates away from the nomination

She will reach that total when the polls close in NJ. It isn't arrogance. It's basic math. Bernie could win every contest on Tuesday and still not catch up because he trails by such a wide margin.

Bernie doesn't get to unilaterally change nomination rules voted into place by elected committee members and delegates. The 2383 number is meant to include supers. 2026 is more than half of pledged delegates. She will pass both on Tuesday. He agreed to the rules when he decided to use the party to advance his candidacy. Bernie will not be able to change them just because he has failed in winning a majority of votes.

It's one thing for highly paid political operatives to advance self-serving arguments, but when citizens repeat them it shows something troubling. Your argument presumes Bernie should be handed the nomination even though Clinton wins the majority of pledged delegates and votes, that democracy itself matters less than Bernie's political prospects. I can't even imagine getting to that place for any reason, let alone a politician's career. The fact is politicians have to earn a majority of votes and Bernie hasn't. In fact, today he only reached the 15% viability threshold on one if the Virgin Islands, resulting in a 6-1 result, putting him even further behind.

Bernie and co. Are engaged in an effort to overturn elections and equal voting rights. Without a majority of pledged delegates, 2026, there is no path to victory except by anti democratic means.
That anyone supports those efforts to seize power against the will of the electorate treats electoral democracy and equal rights as disposable.

I also find it interesting that the same people who previously decried super delegates as undemocratic have no problem now going along with Bernie's argument that ads should overturn the results of elections and impose him in power against the will of the electoral majority. They don't even skip a beat in doing a complete about face.

[senz]

81. Here Bains, check this out --

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/

I was not "making an argument," I simply gave you a set of figures. The figures I gave you were Steve Kornacki's as of about a week ago.

538 has slightly different counts. They have Hillary with 1770 pledged delegates and Bernie with 1500 pledged delegates. Their counts were done on 5/31/16.

Don't accuse Bernie of being undemocratic. There is no reason why Bernie should drop out when neither side has reached 2383 pledged delegates and the superdelegates have not yet voted (they vote on July 25). He is within his rights to stay in the race until the convention.

I am one of the millions of people who want him to stay in the race. For us there is more at stake than a candidate.

I think you can wait until it's over, Bains. Whatever happens, it won't be that long.

[Live and Learn]

89. + a gazillion. nt

[Demsrule86]

101. Hillary could win today.

If she does well in Puerto Rico

[senz]

76. This is a wonderful OP, Live and Learn. It's the truth.

Thank you for posting it.

[MFM008]

80. OP

you may cease to presume Mr Sanders and or his supporters are the only ones that feel
many of the things you have listed.

[Live and Learn]

88. And you should cease to believe that Hillary will actually support any of them. nt

[jillan]

82. Excellent OP Live and Learn! You summed it up very well. We just want to bring

politicians into caring about the people again, not about corporate profits.

Step one is getting money out of politics & we finally had a candidate that showed them how it's done.
Hopefully other candidates will come along and refuse lobbyist funding.

[Live and Learn]

87. Oh, they will if we we support them.

Check out the Brand New Congress movement that Bernie supporters are already working on.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-congress_us_5720e608e4b0b49df6a9c933

[senz]

100. This is a good time to get things started and DU can be useful.

Over on another thread, we've had a couple of comments on increasing progressive influence in the Democratic Party. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=207399

I'm hoping the commenter will write an OP in GD, because we need to give these ideas a push. DU is a good place to move it along because it is fairly widely read. I know the admins won't mind this and have a feeling the Hillies will be less rude since it's not about candidates, per se.

Thank you so much for the link. I can't even begin to express how much I love Bernie for launching this thing. I know it's been percolating (OWS, etc.) but Bernie has lifted it to a new level. It's a privilege to be alive at this time (some of my fellow boomers had this sense way back then, too.)

[Live and Learn]

90. Thanks, Jillan. I just hope we can fix it all in time. I am a bit worried that Bernie may have

been out last chance to do enough in time.

[pdsimdars]

86. ^^^^^^^^^^^ Amen! ^^^^^^^^^^^

[Silver_Witch]

94. This^^^

[Duppers]

95. YES, yes, yes,

And fucking YES!!!!!

What's not to understand!!

Bravo!

[Andy823]

103. So what will you do to accomplish these things?

Voting for Bernie isn't going to do it. Change happens from the local level on up. Have you started looking for candidates at the local and state levels to run in the next election? Until you can fill congress with people who will help accomplish these things, nothing will change.

Many here think the best way to bring about this change is to NOT vote in the GE. They can't stand Hillary, so they want to sit on their ass and let Trump win, then they think things will change. Yep they will change all right, and not for the better. Even on Hillary's worst day she is a hundred times better than Trump, and these are Bernie's own words. We have come long way since George W. Bush tried to destroy this country. President Obama has done a hell of a lot for us and allowing a moron like Trump to get in the WH would destroy all the gains we have seen since Obama was elected.

With Hillary we will get liberal judges on the Supreme Court. Can you imagine what we would get with Trump?

With Hillary we will continue down the road Obama has put us on, and things will get better if we also have a congress that will work to make things change for the people of this country. Do you think that Trump will help make things better for this country?

I want the same things you do, and I will vote for the nominee no matter who it is because I know things won't be perfect, but they will be a hell of a lot better than if we allow Trump to win the WH, and that's simply a fact. I

It will take time to get where you and I want to be, but even if we only make small changes with Hillary, it will be better than going backwards with Trump in charge, wouldn't you agree?

[stage left]

104. Yes, indeed. An excellent post.

it's not about Hillary or Bernie. it's about all the things you mentioned.