2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHere is a question about something Bernie said about my county,
Santa Barbara county.
He talked about all the wealth in Santa Barbara then said that our county was fourth in the state with our poverty level.
Politically Santa Barbara county has been divided north and south. The south is were the wealthy live along the coast and they tend to be Democrats. The notth has the agriculture and oil and tends to be Republican.
Poverty is in the north because of immigrants.
We are doing a lot to provide services for the poor but the income distribution here is based on geography mostly.
Coastal south and industrial north. I think Bernie needs to recognize that when he talks about the income differences.
Does Bernie make any distinction as to why there is income inequality?
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Cause I don't see it anywhere in your post.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)riversedge
(70,183 posts)Android3.14
(5,402 posts)So without the question in your OP, what I take from this is that you got yours, so screw your neighbors.
I think you need to recognize that "Doing a lot" sounds like a pitiful excuse.
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)Sanders is right on this issue, it's systemic and it needs to be addressed.
Also, beware the Mothman.
merrily
(45,251 posts)I'm glad DUers never tire out of pointing that out, no matter how speciously.
Hell, the summina may even have dozed off (I think) during a ball game. How could he? YUCK! SCUM!
QC
(26,371 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)according to one person here who is always denouncing other people's speech as hateful and bigoted.
Interesting choice of words, don't you think, to associate other people with roaches and the like?
Ahhhh, love and kindness.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Last edited Sat Jun 4, 2016, 03:36 PM - Edit history (1)
Then #BernieLostMe because I choose a POTUS based on twitter and message boards and I think everyone should.
QC
(26,371 posts)of how people behave on message boards.
Doesn't everyone?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)and the distinction is not- that poverty exits because of immigrants.
BTW- Isn't that a Trump meme?
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)so I doubt you truly care.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Shakespeare was a genius. Tolstoy was a genius. Bach, Beethoven, Picasso, were geniuses.
I'm just a dabbler in words and history with an interest in politics and people and books. My wife thinks I'm a genius because I was able to figure out the remote control. But, not so much when I forget our anniversary or my wallet when we go shopping.
But, I'm very much gratified by your kind words.
merrily
(45,251 posts)And you even figured out the remote control, too?
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Patience
Persistence
Profanity
I must admit that I rely mostly on the 3rd P when the desire to throw the gizmo our the window seems overwhelming. Of course, this genius clings to the notion that reading instructions (or, maps) is for sissies.
merrily
(45,251 posts)So far, so good.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Our current cat is smart but refuses to read the directions or treat the remote as anything more than something to nudge off the coffee table.
merrily
(45,251 posts)exactly when to use each one. You must be extremely well read.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)I read for pleasure and some things just catch my eye. I envision hell as an empty library. But...
In heaven, all the interesting people are missing. Friedrich Nietzsche''
merrily
(45,251 posts)is unnecessary, and perhaps counter-productive, unless you have assigned reading you need to do.
In heaven, all the interesting people are missing. Friedrich Nietzsche''
That would be hell.
Nietzsche must not have thought that one through.
bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)Suck on that plebs!
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)the county? It's not geography that separates. It's money and class. You act as if it's just 'I just happen to live at Hope Ranch, so I'm rich. Those who want to be rich should just move to Hope Ranch!!!!'
Santa Barbara County and California as a whole is exactly as Bernie says and you know this.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)You melt everything down to easy to digest talking points.
That is something that would have to be taken into account if you were to have real solutions which you don't.
Like Hillary says it is easy to diognos a problem
cloudythescribbler
(2,586 posts)to brush aside genuine concerns. If Santa Barbara County has a high median income relative to the rest of the state and country AND ALSO a high poverty rate, that is worth pointing out. That the poverty is concentrated in certain subregions of the county is not surprising, and does not vitiate what I gather was Bernie's point about poverty in the midst of wealth -- which his campaign emphasizes DOES NOT HAVE TO BE THAT WAY. Sen Rubio honestly noted that if Bernie and supporters want the kind of more equal society he advocates he & we belong in Denmark or Sweden. Well, we want that IN THE US, and that is more than just a "mere" diagnosis.
Many of Bernie's "diagnoses" are NOT raised by other candidates -- and that is a very worthwhile start in progressive politics. Calling for solutions, like a WWII scale sudden & necessary economic transformation to meet the challenge of climate catastrophe is another very valuable part of what Bernie does
merrily
(45,251 posts)actually knows stuff.
As for your pot shot at Bernie, LOL!
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)of CA verbiage. Santa Barbara County rich are a special thing. The 'Northern Part' of that small county is anchored by Santa Maria,where median home prices are about 350K.
What the OP does not want to talk about of course is who is poor in that county. Poverty rate for white people is 10%. 16% for African Americans, 19% for Latinos and 26% for Native Americans.
cosb.countyofsb.org/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=44140
If the link does not work search for 'Snapshot of Poverty in SB county'. It's government material.
merrily
(45,251 posts)As you may know, Oprah lives in Santa Barbara. Of course, she has more than one residence, but, last I heard, she loved her home in Santa Barbara most. That was a few years ago. She may have a new favorite now, but it was a lovely place.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Your claim that poverty in your county is geographic in genesis is absurd and it is also not correct that poverty in the county is isolated in the northern part. Fact is poverty is the camp follower of the wealth in SB, with pockets of service poor around all the centers of affluence.
This stuff is all factual and comprised of information collected by your own county.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Taken together, the results of the poverty study and the national and statewide findings from the Census Bureau show that Santa Barbara County may have a higher median income ($60,078) than the state ($58,328) and the country ($51,000), but it also boasts a higher poverty rate. While the percentage of Californians living in poverty tops 16 percent and the percentage of Americans living in poverty hovers around 15 percent, Santa Barbara County weighs in at 18 percent.
http://www.independent.com/news/2013/sep/23/comparing-santa-barbaras-poverty-countrys