Superdelegates do not vote until July 25th & do NOT count till then. Don't believe me? No prob...

[jillan]

Maybe you will believe the communications director of the DNC try to set Jake Tapper straight.
Until Hillary has 2383 PLEDGED delegates, she is not the nominee.

Those are the rules & they were the rules when Hillary declared she was running for President.

Enough of the lies.

[onehandle]

1. Superdelegates have never overturned the will of voters.

New Jersey is the end of the line for the 'Not Hillary' Party.

[jillan]

5. Nope. The last votes are in DC next week. Hillary will not have 2383 pledged delegates before then.

[CorporatistNation]

7. There's ALWAYS A First Time!

Anddd.... with ALL that quite likely lies ahead for Secretary Clinton... The Supes may well adjust their thinking...

Clinton in these compromising situations of which they are practically innumerable may well be motivation to switch. Then there's the matter of those pesky TRANSCRIPTS!

e.g., MSNBC To the deniers... Watch THIS Video... It is not comforting to think that she may well be the Democratic Nominee...

Hillary really betrayed Andrea Mitchell... The entire context of this report was of a solemn nature... A Funeral so to speak...

Andrea Mitchell "I do not see this report as ...ANYTHING BUT... DEVASTATING!"

Chuck Todd "After this I don't think that she could get confirmed for Attorney General!"

Lots of FIBBING by Hillary here.. for more than a year!

[onehandle]

19. THE END IS NIGH

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10135833

[RandySF]

2. NOW we listen to the DNC.

[jillan]

6. We've always been listening to the rules. It's the msm that hasn't been. That's why they are trying

to school Tapper.

[SFnomad]

3. The BS cheerleaders finally found something the DNC has said, that they like

Anyway ... Secretary Clinton will be the Presumptive Nominee on June 7th ... no matter how much you try to deny reality.

[anotherproletariat]

4. No one is disputing that she is not the nominee until the convention. She will be the

presumptive nominee after Tuesday night.

[LonePirate]

8. If you're familiar with what happened in 2008, prepare for a repeat in 2016.

This race will officially be over in a matter of days when Bernie concedes after Tuesday's results.

[HubertHeaver]

13. You've been predicting a concession after Tuesday every week since February.

Hasn't happened yet.

[LonePirate]

14. I have not but why I would expect you to tell the truth about what I have said?

[HubertHeaver]

24. And your first response is a personal attack.

But then, that is your pattern.

[LonePirate]

25. Your lie about my postings is not a personal attack against me or my character?

You might want to take a long look in the mirror before accusing someone of something of which you are guilty of yourself.

[HubertHeaver]

28. You might want to stop your personal attacks. I have checked your posts.

Personal attacks is your method of operation.

[LonePirate]

32. You said I have been calling for him to concede every week since February.

That is a bald faced lie as I voted for him in March. If you had checked my posts as you have said, you have would have discovered that. I can only conclude that everything you say is a lie after two whoppers you spewed in a handful of posts.

[JimDandy]

33. Not only were you the first to make it personal in this subthread,

but you ignored the refutation of the poster you attacked when he stated you were untruthful about his posting record. You should have "put up (pointed out posts that support your assertion) or shut up". Your attackee can't prove a negative, so it was all on you to defend your assertion, at that point.

[msongs]

9. enough of the lies indeed. bernie says all the supers should undemocratically vote for him even tho

they should actually vote for the candidate who has the most votes and most regular delegates which IS NOT him

[Tarc]

10. Hillary Clinton will go over 2,383, sometimes on June 7th

She will be declared the presumptive nominee from there on out.

There's nothing you can do about this.

[qdouble]

11. Everyone knows that they vote at the convention...

but they declare who they will vote for way before the convention. The presumptive nominee will be clear on June 7th.

[Doctor Jack]

12. And then she wins the nomination no problem at the convention

and then what? Sanders is locked out, stripped of all of his power in the senate, and trump becomes president. What a wonderful picture you paint.

If sanders comes in and steals the nomination then fuck him and fuck all of you bernie people. Let trump become president and the world can burn. That is all you want anyway.

[Ed Suspicious]

31. Sounds like somebody has an early case of the Mondays.

[geek tragedy]

15. They're not going to steal it for Bernie.

No decent Democrat would want them to.

If Sanders, having lost the election, asks the superdelegates to steal the election, he outs himself as an authoritarian and a foul hypocrite .

She will be the presumptive nominee on Tuesday evening, and no one cares if Bernie objects. He doesn't get a say in it. He lost.

[SheenaR]

27. There's nothing to steal

Your vote and my vote went to pledged delegates. Nobody can steal those. Shitty system we have.

There's no overriding wills, usurping power, etc. Supers can save us from a defeat or they can continue to organize behind Hillary

[geek tragedy]

30. So you think party insiders should overrule the voters.

Awesome populist reform message.

Never prouder of a primary vote than my vote against Sanders and his fraudulent 'revolution'

[JimDandy]

34. Super delegates who publicly declared their support before a single voter got to vote overruled them.

And that applies no matter which candidate they came out in support of.

At the start of her campaign, about 200 of Clinton's supers had publicly endorsed her, before anyone voted (can't find, right now, the article that stated that figure). The remaining supers in the Clinton totals are known to be in her column only because Clinton's campaign announced that they are (those supers themselves, apparently, have not publicly stated they support her). And she, like the politician she is, of course publicized the number of supers she said supported her, in order to influence the election process.

As the primary went along, and the constituents of hundreds of those super delegates actually voted, those supposedly democratic party insiders anti-democratically, explicitly and complicitly overruled their constituents votes, state by state.

Awesome populist message.

Never prouder of a primary vote than my vote against Clinton and her fraudulent, anti-democratic, baggage-laden, sordid campaign.

[geek tragedy]

35. the voters chose her, she is the only person with a legitimate claim to be the nominee

Sanders is seeking a coup

[JimDandy]

38. Yes, I know you had no pertinent rebuttal.

There is none, because there is no democratic justification for the super delegate mess. The super delegates are there specifically to overturn the will of the voter, if the Democratic establishment deems it necessary. That is their role. Just thought it needed to be made obvious to everyone else...

[geek tragedy]

39. fine, get rid of them, have them split their votes 55-45 in favor of Clinton

in order to match the overall vote totals.

Grand total number of things changed by that: zero.

[JimDandy]

41. Your point is exactly why their existence is superflorous to the process.

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ETA: That reality means the actual value in their existence is the public wielding of their numbers as a pre-emptory weapon against a voter uprising for a populist candidate.

And it has never been more clear than in this campaign, that to be successful in using those numbers in a preemptory strike, it takes the complicity of the corporate media to propagandize the numbers.

And, almost across the board, the corporate media carried the water of the Clinton campaign and did so. Effectively.

Hillary Clinton: Win at any cost!

[geek tragedy]

42. there's two separate issues

1) superdelegates--fuck 'em, they shouldn't exist

2) presumptive nominee--by any objective measure (pledged delegates, popular vote, total delegates) as of Tuesday evening (barring a miracle like Sanders winning Cali 70-30) Hillary Clinton will be the clear and decisive winner of the Democratic primary and the presumptive nominee, and there's no persuasive objection as to why she shouldn't be treated as past presumptive nominees, all of whom were considered presumptive nominees when they reached a majority of all delegates including superdelegates.

[Waiting For Everyman]

16. Exactly. Enough of the shady nonsense being spouted in endless threads.

Thank you!

[beachbum bob]

17. our nomineee is named when she crosses the threshold on June 7th...history goes against your

post....we will hear hillary called our "presumed nominee".....= our nominee


sanders supporters have time to adjust and accept reality that more votes, more delegates = win for Hillary....less votes, less delegates = loss for sanders

thats how it works

[B Calm]

18. Hillary thinks rules don't apply to her, but this convention

will be contested and rightfully so.

[oberliner]

20. Pledged delegates don't vote until then either

For what that is worth.

[KingFlorez]

21. It's over

Move on.

[geek tragedy]

22. "superdelegates have never actually determined who the nominee is"

and they won't this year, as everyone who is honest knows.

Clinton will have won the voters, that means she's the presumptive nominee.

[DCBob]

23. There is a difference between official nominee and presumptive nominee.

Hillary will be the presumptive nominee on Tuesday and will be the official nominee after the first ballot at the convention.

[beachbumbob]

29. Lol...every primary ENDS...when the magic number is hit...

It's over....done....no matter what sanders wants or his followers...

[seabeyond]

36. Clinton breaks another glass ceiling Tuesday becoming the first woman nominee of the 2 major parties

[AzDar]

37. K & R

[restorefreedom]

40. they. don't. care., jillian. this is desperation on steroids.

they have to spin the narrative that she has "won" because they can see an indictment is likely. if they can convince bernie to drop out they can implement "biden to the rescue"

thankfully, bernie has nerves of steel and will not bow to her will. and in that case, the dems would rather lose with hillary or biden than win with bernie

they hate bernie for messing with the coronation and if he wins, the corrupt party is over.

the msm and the corporate uniparty is freaking now. they have boxed themselves into a corner with a corrupt criminal, an almost certain indictment and they hate the only guy who can beat trump. they have screwed themselves.

couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of assholes.

#bernieorbust
#neverhillary
#fuckunity

[geek tragedy]

43. 11 more days for you to get over the fact that she won and your candidate lost nt