Can we all agree Hillary is a terrible public speaker? That is why she has no crowds?

[J_J_]

I was just wondering since she isn't all that inspiring of a speaker, doesn't have very many issues to discuss....

Why do so many bankers and elite types pay all this money to hear her speak?

[jehop61]

1. No

[CorporatistNation]

6. People Are Just NOT Interested In Listening To Her Lingo!

Too much of THIS...

e.g., MSNBC To the deniers... Watch THIS Video... It is not comforting to think that she may well be the Democratic Nominee...

Hillary really betrayed Andrea Mitchell... The entire context of this report was of a solemn nature... A Funeral so to speak...

Andrea Mitchell "I do not see this report as ...ANYTHING BUT... DEVASTATING!"

Chuck Todd "After this I don't think that she could get confirmed for Attorney General!"

Lots of FIBBING by Hillary here.. for more than a year!

[azureblue]

8. repeating

those long discounted gop smear points again aren't you? weak..
look, if you're gonna troll at least try to come up with something original.. we're getting bored of the same troll script repeated over and over

[puffy socks]

102. um..

People Are Just NOT Interested In Listening To Her Lingo!

Apparently that's not true.
just ugly, petty jealousy.

[azureblue]

7. nope

desperate to find something to slam her with aren't you?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

2. Can we all agree that you????

Forget it. I don't want my post hidden.

[CrowCityDem]

3. She is substance over style.

[JRLeft]

41. Really? What substance? We should point to her disastrous record.

She's partly responsible for mega damage globally.

[avaistheone1]

63. Yeah, and the substance is nothing that can be discussed because she is uncomfortable with it.

Hillary's record is not pretty.

[geek tragedy]

4. Can we all agree that the candidate with the most primary votes and most pledged delegates

should be the nominee?

If not, thpppfft.

[Warren Stupidity]

12. seems like the camp is terrified that their sure thing aint so sure anymore.

[geek tragedy]

14. nope, annoyed that we still have to explain basic principles of arithmetic

and democracy to the people who've annointed themselves as the redeemers of the party and constantly lecture us about how they're the true voice of democracy.

especially when that obstinate refusal to acknowledge arithmetic and democracy comes from the High Sparrow himself, who is actively hindering the effort against Donald Trump.

The combination of disrespect towards democratic principles (please, super delegates, screw over the voters and hand us the nomination because polls) and complete and utter fantastical idiocy (please, super delegates, screw over the voters and hand us the nomination because polls) is legitimately infuriating.

There is nothing anyone associated with Sanders or supporting Sanders can do to help him win the nomination. We're well beyond that point, and now we're at 'stop being a sore loser spoiler.'

[PufPuf23]

17. Is buying politicians and legislation democray?

I ask this in general and not in specific context of Clinton vs Sanders for POTUS nominee.

Money and politics is a whole other flavor of arithmetic.

[Warren Stupidity]

70. why do you have to explain anything? Your awful candidate is a sure thing, right?

[geek tragedy]

71. She's caught in a cross-fire between Trump and the

Sanders dead-Enders, including Sanders himself.

Step one is closing out the dead Enders.

[Warren Stupidity]

73. But its all wrapped up. She's got all the delegates she needs. So just go after Trump.

You don't seem to believe your own claims.

[geek tragedy]

87. She's still taking fire from Sanders.

He needs to be closed out, not merely defeated

[Warren DeMontague]

99. Feeling perpetually annoyed, aggravated, aggrieved and put upon

Is really no way to go through this life.

[geek tragedy]

100. Not in life, only at DU.

Don't talk primaries IRL. There was one Republican voter in our precinct for the NY primary.

[Warren DeMontague]

112. I live in a state with legal weed, the country's first openly bisexual governor

an vibrant pirate lifestyle community, an annual naked bike ride that draws over 10,000 participants, and the highest number of vegan strip clubs per capita on the planet.


Things could be worse.

[Dustlawyer]

108. We are building a political revolution, our goals are just

different. Bernie winning the Presidency would make the change happen much faster, but it will still happen. I agree that absent an indictment coming down before the convention Hillary will be the nominee. Bernie and many of his supporter's will vote for her in the end and Bernie will help to drag her over the finish line. No one wants Trump.

Trump cannot make most of Bernie's arguements against Hillary because he will sucks up to the rich too! The ones he can argue he would have already.

President Hillary will do her part to prove Bernie's points about the corruption of our politics. That is her role. That is if she can beat even someone as bad as Trump!

[MyNameGoesHere]

96. How's this? Her triumph will be Glorious!

Absolutely Glorious!

[Buns_of_Fire]

107. Her mighty Boots of Freedom™ will trample the bones of her detractors to dust!

And we will rampage through the lands of the insolent rabble, stealing their unicorns and disrespecting their livestock, leaving the few survivors to wail and lament the day their misguided leaders dared to question The Foundation!

(Just getting myself in the right frame of mind. How'm I doing?)

[left-of-center2012]

5. Influence n/t

[me b zola]

93. I agree. I believe her entire campaign is to use her name and influence to secure backers of

other influential people. She doesn't campaign to and/or for union workers, just the bosses. She has done relatively few rallies that are open to the public because her campaign is not centered on voters or their issues. The Clinton campaign focuses on influence peddling and name recognition~that's it.

[Warren Stupidity]

9. no, that's not the reason.

She's been running on a program of "nope and no change" and now "I'm not as crazy as the other guy". What exactly in that message is going to bring out the crowds?

[SidDithers]

10. Get 'em in while you still can...nt

Sid

[NorthCarolina]

11. It's what she say's (or neglects to say), not how she say's it. -nt-

[loyalsister]

20. I think it's both

Her speeches are all about her and she comes across as defensive. IOW she sounds a lot like a whining narcissist.

[grasswire]

30. that's true

...and she accentuates the words that refer to herself.

"I"

"My"

"Me"

Notice it when she speaks. Those words are always given more emphasis.

[apcalc]

104. Her speeches are all about her????

What the heck have you been listening to? She rarely talks about herself...

[Lizzie Poppet]

13. That, and people generally dislike being lied to. (nm)

[splat]

15. Lots of grownups hate crowds

Been there, done that, just want to vote hard now.

[RDANGELO]

16. Well, there was poll put out by someone recently that showed that almost half of the voters feel

helpless about the election. Those are the people who understand what things like globalism and free trade are doing to this country. I used to think that most Democrats thought that way. My personal opinion of the Hillary voters is that most of them are lower information voters who don't have the same sense of urgency as the rest of us.

[asuhornets]

18. But she has the votes....nt

[JoePhilly]

19. Going out of business sale!!! All outrages MUST GO!!!!

[LibDemAlways]

21. Have no idea how she honed her annoying public speaking

style, but I have a difficult time focusing on the content because I can't get beyond the delivery. She enunciates every syllable in either a flat monotone or adopts the scolding mom of a naughty five year old persona. She's very off putting -- little warmth or charm that would help her connect with large crowds. She's not offering a message that's particularly inspiring either. Same old same old incremental change is not a vision that packs them in and creates an overflow.

[grasswire]

27. fake

It's just fake.

And people know it.

[davidlynch]

50. +1 n/t

[shanti]

72. +2

absolutely can't stand her voice, not to mention her message.

[Metric System]

106. I see no warmth or charm emanating from Sanders.

[Demsrule86]

22. NO nt

[reformist2]

23. Hillary may have spoken to more big bankers and other 1%-ers, than ordinary citizens.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

24. Capitalists invest in products they think will sell and bring them a healthy return.

Bankers are capitalists. They've found a product to invest in. They expect a healthy return on their investments.

[4139]

25. Does going to a Hillary rally and hangin out with Hillary supporters sound like 'fun'?

Going to a Bernie or Trump rally sounds fun....

Going to a Hillary rally (or previously Jed Bush rally) sounds like going to an octogenarian crocheting party

[grasswire]

26. but remember....

...there's always the possibility that she will bark like a doggie, and THAT is worth waiting for.

[upaloopa]

36. I was at a Hillary rally yesterday. I could not think of a group of people I would rather hang out

with than Hillary supporters. They were a very diverse group, of all ages and all enthusiastic about our next President.

[4139]

37. I'm sure they were wonderful folks... The question was why the lack of draw.

[upaloopa]

43. Draw does not measure enthusiasm. If draw were important why is Bernie losing?

Bernie has rallies near campuses where he can get large crowds of young people in a party atmosphere.

The rally I went to was scheduled a few days before and was held at a high school gymnasium. People were notified by email and I think newspaper stories.

The very fact that Hillary has 300 million more votes than Bernie puts the enthusiasm thing in to perspective.

[LibDemAlways]

39. Those 80 something crocheters are her base.

That's where the votes are coming from. My 93-year-old mother will vote Hillary because mom's a lifelong Democrat and that's who the party wants her to vote for. Plus, she'd like to see a woman president. Issues? What are those?

[djean111]

46. 70 YO white woman here. Can't crochet. Will not vote for Hillary.

Lifelong Democrat, but will be resigning if Hillary is the nominee, because I will not belong to a party that stands for war and fracking and the TPP and the Third Way, to name a few odious policy stances. I don't know anyone personally who will vote for Hillary, unless they are lying about it. Which, I guess, would be apropos.

[LibDemAlways]

49. I'm 63 and would stick

crochet needles in my eyes before I'd vote for her. Yes, her policy positions suck, so there have to be other reasons why people are supporting her. Gender voting and It's her turn seem to be favorites. We'll see how that works out for her in the fall.

[Different Drummer]

68. These are the two main reasons I've seen

Yes, her policy positions suck, so there have to be other reasons why people are supporting her. Gender voting and It's her turn seem to be favorites.

[apcalc]

105. I don't know anyone voting for Sanders.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

65. It would be a case of the Bland leading the Bland.

[thucythucy]

113. Sigh.

"...an octogenarian crocheting party."

Must you bash elderly people to make your point?

As for a Trump rally being "fun"--actually it can be downright dangerous for some people, those of the non-white variety. Or maybe you hadn't noticed?

[MadBadger]

28. And Bernie is!?!?!

[onecaliberal]

29. They didn't pay to hear her speak, they paid to own her.

[Trenzalore]

31. For all those mega rallies on college campuses

Still going to come up short.

[upaloopa]

32. I was at a rally yesterday where she spoke. The thing people agree on after listening to her is

that she is the candidate with the most experience, the most knowledge, is the most qualified and can take over the job as president on day one.

Big crowds near college campuses where you repeat talking points over and over does not mean you are qualified to be President.

[ucrdem]

44. Hey that's awesome! I've heard her speak too and she's inspiring. A lot of us have.

She's not a natural raconteur like Bill perhaps but she gives a great speech and usually gets in a few funny lines. And everyone agrees she delivered a knock-out punch on Thursday for example:

[BunkieBandit]

45. "People I've talked to"

is a Clinton tactic. Besides, President Obama didn't have "experience" to sell and he still won. Against her.

[upaloopa]

48. She has the experience and she did win the primary son it's a twofer

[annavictorious]

33. Hillary has bigger crowds than Sanders

at the voting booths.

[reformist2]

56. That's what the rigged voting machines would have us believe, anyway...

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

34. Why do so many bankers and elite types pay all this money to hear her speak?

They're not paying to hear her speak; they're paying for future access and influence. She could just show up and mime or juggle or play the accordion and they'd still pay $250K per. It's all about the face time.

[randome]

38. Why do they pay the same amount of money to the likes of Jerry Seinfeld and Lady Gaga?

Face it, Goldman-Sachs likes to throw money away on dubious speakers.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[upaloopa]

51. She was First Lady, she was Senator from New York, she was Secretary of State, she knows the world

we live in and invest in.

Bernie has nothing to offer that is why he would not be asked to speak like Hillary has.

[TDale313]

35. They're paying for access.

But no, I doubt most of her supporters are gonna stipulate that she's not a good public speaker.

[snot]

40. Bernie's not great, either –

he's just sincere.

[ucrdem]

42. LOL, I guess you didn't watch any of the debates.

[Tarc]

47. Why is the Sanders campaign, allegedly the candidate of the "young people", reliant on...

19th-century metrics to gauge candidate popularity? I've seen people use "crowd sizes" and "number of yard signs" with straight faces. In 2016...

[ucrdem]

60. Never mind the crowd inflation which is ridiculous.

A picture of a full stadium is not a full stadium for example. Neither is a crowd of a few hundred in a venue elsewhere on the premises.

[Lord Magus]

74. Crowd inflation is a favorite Tea Party trick.

It seems that some Bernie supporters have learned from the worst.

[itsrobert]

52. Looks like she inspires people to vote

3 Million more votes than the Bernie.

[JoePhilly]

53. And why doesn't she get as many "Likes" as Bernie?!?!

[Gomez163]

54. No. Because her supporters have to WORK DURING THE DAY.

[AgingAmerican]

55. She has been hemorrhaging support for a solid year

She has no momentum

[Lord Magus]

79. Looking at the primary outcomes so far it seems Bernie has no momentum. -nt-

[AgingAmerican]

82. Sanders went from 70 points down to a virtual tie

[Lord Magus]

83. He's not in a vitual tie. -nt-

[AgingAmerican]

84. Not in California, he just surpassed her there too...

[Lord Magus]

85. No he didn't, where are you getting your info? -nt-

[notadmblnd]

57. You really believe that they're paying her to speak?

No, they're investing in her for their futures. And they are going to be fucking pissed if their investment doesn't pay off.

[Marr]

58. She raises her voice to shout over the crowd, seemingly forgetting her microphone.

It results in a sort of shrill, fingernails-on-a-chalkboard sound that is very unpleasant. She needs a voice coach, or just someone to remind her than she has a microphone. These sorts of things turn people off at an almost unconscious level.

This is completely ignoring her uninspiring, 'more of the same' message, which certainly doesn't help in this political climate.

[Lil Missy]

59. No. She's an excellent public speaker and has discussed MANY issues. Unlike

Jonny-one-note

[Marr]

61. Then why the poor turnout? /nt

[Lil Missy]

75. That's a moot point. She's getting more votes. Millions more. Why can't Bernie keep up?

[Marr]

80. It's not a moot point, it's a question.

Why the low turnout?

[Duckhunter935]

64. Only if she gets a quarter of a million per speech

for her personal bank account

[Starry Messenger]

66. Clips of her San Diego speech have been viewed 4 million times on her FB page

https://www.buzzfeed.com/rubycramer/hillary-clinton-sees-trump-speech-breaking-through-on-the-tr?utm_term=.mv9V506Y5b#.tdo8MDB2MQ

During and after the address, campaign officials also observed higher than usual levels of engagement from voters online. Clips of the speech have been viewed nearly 4 million times on the campaign’s Facebook page, according to an aide, including nearly 600,000 views on Facebook live from San Diego.

The speech, aides also noted, received segments on all three nightly news broadcasts and drove cable coverage through the end of the week, save for the interruption of protesters that turned violent outside Trump’s rally in San Jose.

[obamanut2012]

67. Yeah, the narrartive on here isn't reflected IRL

[Starry Messenger]

69. Oh well. Her poll numbers against Trump just went up 11 pts.

But hey, what do we know.

[pandr32]

76. No we can't

Please proceed

[Adrahil]

77. Nope. She's no Obama, but I think she's better than Sanders. NT

[ContinentalOp]

78. Neither are great, but I seriously hope to never hear Sanders voice again.

I find it incredibly grating. People think Clinton's laugh is annoying, but to me she at least doesn't come off like a humorless scold like Sanders does.

[libdem4life]

81. To me, that seems a no-brainer. They emailed over at the very least,

the talking points, and let her staff fill in the red meat. We'll never see them. But, she didn't write them. She never does. She's "scripted". And, in her defense, that's how politics used to roll...talking out of both sides of their mouth.

It's a little trickier nowdays, however. So locking the door and probably checking cell phones is required. Heard (Rumor alert) that Heidi Cruz got it on a recording. If so, we'll know at a very inconvenient time in the GE.

[AgingAmerican]

86. She has no crowds because she has no coherent message

"Get things done!" with no details does not inspire.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

88. No. Her last speech was amazing.

She's perfectly fine public speaker, although not as great as Obama or Bill, but no one else is either

[BobbyDrake]

90. This is what passes for an argument on your side? No wonder the candidate backed by such thinking

lost decisively.

You want to crown Bernie the King of Public Speaking? Go right ahead. But he's the Jester of Vote-Getting, and no speech he's given this entire primary has changed that.

[Beacool]

92. She's actually a very good speaker.

What she doesn't do is populism. She's not comfortable with the type of oratory that comes so easy to Bill or Obama. She's a wonk who is far more at ease with policy data, than with speaking to very large groups. She prefers to connect one on one in smaller crowds than venues with thousands of people.

[pdsimdars]

94. No, that is not why she has no crowds. She has no crowds because she inspires NO ONE.

She is on the wrong side of every issue and has to go out in public and say one thing while she believes the opposite and that is why she won't release those transcripts and why she insisted on having a private server and using her own Blackberry, so that she could keep what she was really doing away from everyone else.
Did you also know that ALL of her email from the time she was in the Senate, were somehow lost?
how interesting.

[LAS14]

95. Nope. Don't agree at all. Smaller crowds are because...

... her supporters have other things to do than go to rallies.

[book_worm]

97. No, if you listened to her San Diego speech you would find she is a very good speaker

she just doesn't do rah-rah rally stuff that much. Her appearances are more substantial. She has more to say than the same thing day after day.

[Warren DeMontague]

98. She admits herself that she has weak stump skills

Doesn't mean she can't be an effective and competent executive.

But listening to her deliver a stump speech is like watching paint dry.

[sister_rosa_refried]

101. You sound like a Trump supporter

No difference actually.

[kayakjohnny]

103. Cant believe you went there dawg..

But you did.

So, oh well.

Kudos.

[Mohammed_Lee]

109. Hillary is a poor public speaker n/t

[Democrats Ascendant]

110. Can we agree that, with all those votes and delegates, she'll be president?

Even without the votes of the 50 haters how haunt these virtual halls.

BTW, how can all those Sanders supporters bussing in from state to state and attending rallies like Dead concerts stand to hear the same speech over and over and over and over and over and over and

[runaway hero]

111. Yes.

I support her but it is not her strength

[Fla Dem]

114. She had the size of the crowds she wanted. She didn't need to be idolized by

thousands of fans like Bernie and Trump.

[democrattotheend]

115. I wouldn't say terrible

But she's no Barack Obama.

[NurseJackie]

116. You're funny!