Bernie feeding the "or bust" trolls

[CrowCityDem]

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/sanders-on-bernie-or-bust-supporters-i-cant-tell-them-what-to-do/

Tapper asked, “Is Bernie or Bust a palatable position?” Sanders said, “The idea that I can snap my fingers and have millions of supporters march in line––that is not what our effort is about.”

And if he’s not the nominee, he added, then the onus is on Clinton to “explain to those people why she should get their support.”

It's true that Bernie can't MAKE anyone vote for Hillary, but he can damn sure tell them it's the right thing to do, and it's what he wants them to do. That's what a decent person would do in his position.

[HERVEPA]

1. And he will, but this is not the time for him to do it.

[LonePirate]

3. Agreed. That time will come when he concedes in the next couple of weeks.

[boston bean]

2. Ayup... He needs to stop lying to his supporters. He will not be the democratic nominee for

president. PERIOD. And he knows this.

[baldguy]

4. BoBs are nothing more than Trumpists. Without question

[underthematrix]

5. This from Puerto Rico. Seriously you can't make this shit up

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/dem-primaries/282237-puerto-rico-democratic-party-denies-wrongdoing-in-primary

[Octafish]

24. ¿Quién sabe?

Hay muchas cosas pasando detrás de puertas cerradas.

[Bluenorthwest]

6. It's right to support the nominee, when we have one. We don't.

Call again when we have one. Right now, Bernie's job is to get votes in CA and that's exactly what he should be doing.

[underthematrix]

7. Then there's this

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/05/the-white-entitlement-of-some-sanders-supporters.html

[JRLeft]

14. The daily beast LMFAO! Bernie Sanders and HRC supporters are

are separated by age not race.

[underthematrix]

16. I want a Hillary supporter to post this in pic form

This is everything. This is me and every other voter who votes the midterm elections too
https://twitter.com/jawillie/status/737396582425976833/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

[JRLeft]

22. That post is crap her experience is making horrific decisions.

She's wrong most of the time.

[notadmblnd]

37. Yeah but the white privileged Hillary supporters can't help but to keep playing the race card

That and the misogynist card is all they've got.

Personally, I think that it is both bigoted and sexist to continuously play those two cards. However women, and people of color don't seem to have a problem with it.

[JRLeft]

46. I'm black all of my friends are in the age group of 18-40 and none of us are for HRC.

[notadmblnd]

53. Well I'm not black but the man I married is and our child identifies with African Americans

I have a plethora of in-laws and friends who do not support Hillary either. In fact, many are offended by her past support of certain policies and comments she has made.

[JRLeft]

56. I'm past the crime bill and more bothered by her economic and foreign policy.

She's a disaster.

[notadmblnd]

58. That's all and well, but I think that

her positions on past policies is a huge indicator of what her policies will be in the future- despite the lip service she currently pays to those who would support her.

[JRLeft]

73. Her economic policies are a bandaid on a bullet wound.

[AgingAmerican]

71. The establishment exists to preserve white privilege

So you are merely projecting

[LWolf]

8. Trolls are those who exercise democracy with the small 'd.' Got it. nt

[mmonk]

9. +1

[CrowCityDem]

11. "I'll do everything in my power to stop Donald Trump". If he doesn't endorse, that is a f'n LIE.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

12. Bernie should give his opinion on Clinton. Which he's already done.

It's up to Clinton to get people to vote for her.

[amborin]

13. Why should Bernie tell voters to vote against democracy and against their core values?

[CrowCityDem]

15. How is it against democracy?

[jeff47]

17. Way to not understand your opposition.

Sanders is not a general commanding his troops. We are not loyal to Sanders, we are loyal to a set of policies and ideals.

As a result, Sanders issuing orders has little effect.

That's the difference between the slogans, "I'm with her" and "He's with us".

The Clinton campaign understands this. That is why the Clinton campaign has been attacking Sanders supporters instead of Sanders. Damaging Sanders does not get his supporters to switch, because it's not about Sanders. It's about those policies and ideals.

[CrowCityDem]

18. They might not follow, but an honorable person would at least try to lead.

[jeff47]

21. So an honorable person would demand others give up on what they believe?

Again, you're going to have to take off the H-shaped blinders to understand the situation. And until you do, you're just going to keep making the situation worse.

[CrowCityDem]

23. An honorable person would live up to their word...

and do "everything" to stop Trump, which includes telling his supporters he think they would be best served voting for Hillary. Do you not see that if he doesn't do that, regardless of its effect, he's a complete liar? It goes against what his loud supporters have been saying about him this whole time; that he's a moral, honorable person.

Prove it.

[jeff47]

25. This time, read what Sanders actually said.

Sanders said telling his supporters to vote for Clinton won't have much effect, not that Sanders will not do it.

Again, your refusal to understand your opposition leads you to attack something Sanders did not say. As well as continuing to trash Sanders's supporters.

Do you not see that if he doesn't do that, regardless of its effect, he's a complete liar?

Do you not see that your strawman is not what Sanders actually said? The liar here is not Sanders.

[CrowCityDem]

28. He's gone out of his way to refuse to say he'll support her when she wins.

[jeff47]

33. He's explained how issuing orders to his supporters will not have the effect you want.

Again, you are operating under the assumption that if Sanders says to vote for Clinton, lots of Sanders supporters will follow their orders.

Because that is what you'd do if the roles were reversed.

But Sanders supporters are not the same as Clinton supporters. You proudly say "I'm with her". We proudly say "He's with us". Those short sentences show the profound difference between the supporters of each candidate.

And until you understand that difference, you will continue to make Clinton's job harder. Like with this thread.

[CrowCityDem]

34. Anything Clinton does to win you over will be viewed an pander, so she shouln't even try.

Good to know we have the ok from you to go ahead and run the race we want, without having to worry about placating your hurt feelings. Thanks!

[jeff47]

49. That would be one of the major reasons she's not a good candidate.

A long track record of flip-flops and pandering for votes means she can not believably promise much today.

So you'd be much better served figuring out how to help shore up that problem instead of continuing to attack. Because attacks won't fix it. If we were happy with "lesser of two evil" arguments, we'd already be Clinton supporters. So attempting to make a greater evil will not work.

As for your glib dismissal, you're going to need us in November, or you're going to pull a Coakley.

[CrowCityDem]

51. And just how would Bernie "steal the nomination" Sanders win us over, if he stole it?

Since I like democracy, I'd have a damn hard time voting for a loser who had it handed to him. What's his plan to get me on board?

[jeff47]

59. And just how would we hold the general election if aliens invaded?

What would we do if a plague of space orangutans descended on our country on November 1st?!?!?!!

Again, you have a large problem: You need the left in order to win the general election. You hate it, but it's true. The moderate Republicans who have spent the last 30 years hating Clinton will not vote for her. Even with Trump on the ballot.

So instead of continuing to attack us, you need to pivot to the general. That is, if you actually want to win. You would get to do a lot more hippy punching if Clinton loses though, so you've got a tough decision to make.

[CrowCityDem]

61. How about not ignoring my question?

[jeff47]

64. Your question is as relevant as mine.

Sanders will no more be "handed the nomination" than those space orangutans invade.

So, hippy punching or winning? Which is more important to you?

[CrowCityDem]

66. At least you admit Bernie has lost and won't be the nominee.

[jeff47]

69. Nope. I admit he won't be handed the nomination.

What I expect to happen is Clinton will win the nomination.

Then around mid to late September, the Republicans in the FBI will leak that they recommended an indictment. This will happen whether or not it is true. Thus getting the Republicans a "two-fer", greatly hurting Clinton's campaign while also greatly hurting Obama's legacy.

That will result in a November election with incredibly low turnout. And incredibly low turnout elections really help the Republicans.

Now, you gonna keep going with the hippy punching, or do you want to win the general?

[notadmblnd]

41. Dyslexia is a crippling disability that all too often goes undiagnosed

for far too many.

[840high]

29. Live up to their word - why then

does Hillary weathervane so much on issues?

[HooptieWagon]

38. Circular Evolution.

Wait long enough, and she ends up where she began...Republican.

[notadmblnd]

44. She's different. She's special. She's next in line to the throne. She's the annointed one

It's all about her. IT'S HER TURN!

For all those reasons, it is okay for her supporter to ignore her lies.

Got it?

[840high]

47. I got it - a long

time ago - what has happened to this country? Go Bernie!

[notadmblnd]

55. I don't know. Someone must have called "every man for himself"

and we didn't get the memo?

[QC]

70. Personality cultists tend to think that everyone else

is also a personality cultist.

It's simple projection.

[BernieforPres2016]

19. Please, no lectures from a Hillary supporter on what a decent person would do nt

[bigwillq]

20. A kick for Bernie!

[Cheese Sandwich]

26. Uh. You want him to drop out before the nominating process is over.

[restorefreedom]

27. not his job to win her votes. that is her job. nt

[riderinthestorm]

30. It's the candidates job to win our vote. Period.

I'm sure Bernie will endorse her if he loses but endorsements don't mean anything to us. We're voting on the issues, not the person.

It's on the candidate to win us over. If that candidate is Hillary then that will be on her. Bernie is 100% correct.

[CrowCityDem]

32. Funny how people said it was Clinton's job in 08.

[riderinthestorm]

35. I supported and voted Obama since he was an IL state senator

I never said that about Hillary Clinton but my point remains, the bottom line is candidates have to win over voters.

Bernie can no more order us to vote for her than I can order you to vote for Bernie. You've examined their positions, listened (I hope), heard their appeals, and decided. I presume you to be intelligent and aren't waiting for Martin O'Malley's endorsement of Hillary right? That's because endorsements just aren't working like they used to.

[CrowCityDem]

36. Effective or not, that's no excuse for not trying.

[riderinthestorm]

42. What part of "Bernie will endorse Hillary Clinton " was unclear? nt

[CrowCityDem]

43. Where has he ever said he would?

[riderinthestorm]

63. I really hate when DUers play coy. This has been posted a million times already

But here you go, a million and 1

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5706fbbde4b03a9e75d3fd93

Marina Fang Associate Politics Editor, The Huffington Post

As the two Democratic presidential candidates engage in some of their sharpest attacks of the campaign, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) on Thursday affirmed that he would support opponent Hillary Clinton in the general election if she wins the nomination.

“Sure I will,” he said, when pressed by CBS News’ Charlie Rose in an interview. “Look, as I said a million times, I think the idea of a Donald Trump or a Ted Cruz presidency would be an unmitigated disaster for this country. I will do everything in my power and work as hard as I can to make sure that that does not happen. And if Secretary Clinton is the nominee, I will certainly support her.”

[JonLeibowitz]

68. I don't know.....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton_us_5706fbbde4b03a9e75d3fd93

Did you try googling that before speculating that he had not?

[notadmblnd]

31. Don't worry about what Bernie says or does, he's insignificant.

Just ignore him, he's practically invisible. Besides, it has been made more than clear that Hillary doesn't need his supporter votes. She's got it all in the bag. Member? You member.

[HooptieWagon]

39. Wouldn't a decent person drop out...

...when under an FBI criminal investigation?

[basselope]

40. He could come to my house and personally ask me to vote for her and I still wouldn't.

Hillary Clinton was never a consideration for me. Ever. I only registered democrat to avoid confusion voting for Bernie.

I will change my registration the day after the primary.

I am not a fan of religion.

[pinebox]

45. You guys don't get it

You honestly don't get it. It's obvious.

Many Bernie supporters have absolutely no interest in voting for Hillary. Period. Full stop.
As I have said before, many see her and Trump alike. All part of the same corn crop, just different rows of corn.


Yet your camp doesn't get this. Bernie may very well say that but you need to understand, a very large margin of his supporters will NOT vote for Hillary who they see as corrupt, propped up, artificial, disingenuous, dangerous and untrustworthy.

That is the bottom line.

[840high]

48. this

[CrowCityDem]

50. You don't get it either. The result doesn't justify not trying.

Bernie said he would do "everything in my power" to stop Trump. If he doesn't even pay lip service by asking you to vote for Hillary, he is a flat out, unrepentant liar.

[pinebox]

57. I get it but you are clearly missing my point

Bernie is right in what he said, he can't wave a magic wand and say "Ooomp loompa, you will now be hypnotized and you will vote for Hillary under my command".

The reality is what again?

What I posted above.

You don't get it. A large chunk of Bernie supporters aren't interested in voting for the "Master Of Puppets". This is what you and your camp fail to understand & that margin of his supporters is rather large. You and I can beat around the bush on this but you're looking through the glass being a Hillary supporters. I am not.

People are sick and tired of voting for "who you don't want as POTUS" instead of voting for someone they believe in and because of that, many are taking a stand and not "falling in line" as Dems would hope they do.

[CrowCityDem]

60. It's not about you. It's about whether Bernie is a liar. Right now, he's poised to be one.

[pinebox]

62. Sorry but you're rather off the rails

Bernie has said all along he would support and fight for Hillary should she be the nominee.

Why is that hard to understand?

[CrowCityDem]

65. Because every time he's asked, he refuses to answer, or says it's all her job.

[pinebox]

67. Oh? Every time?

Well we'll throw out your argument then right now.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton_us_5706fbbde4b03a9e75d3fd93

[Txbluedog]

52. Actually this makes sense to me....

Bernie knows BoB is not actually Bernie supporters but republicans disguising themselves as Bernie supporters and knows that he holds no sway over them

[hrmjustin]

54. His ego is huge!

[jeff47]

72. Someone with a huge ego would believe their supporters will blindly follow. (nt)

[Autumn]

75. It's not HIS ego, he knows it's up to the people to decide who they will vote for. And up to the

politician who want's their votes to get their votes.

[Autumn]

74. The idea that he can snap his fingers and have millions of supporters march in line

is fucking ridiculous, people know what they want to do and i don't need anyone making up my mind for me. Getting voters in line to vote for her is Hilary's job. Any decent person who expects people to vote for them reaches out to those voters.

[AgingAmerican]

76. Translation: Hillary has to purchase support in the form of paid online trolls

A Million Dollars worth of trolls!

[wendylaroux]

77. that's like people voting for someone just because of a d or r following

their name.we aren't robots for goodness sake.

we know who we like all by ourselves .