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JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:16 PM Jun 2016

I do not expect Bernie to do anything but force Hillary to be more progressive she's trying to move

back to the right. She wants to go back to being a conservative so bad.

That is my problem with corporate democrats, they pretend to be progressive until we have no more options and then they show their true colors.

She just gave a speech on why we need more intervention. I'm sorry but that is insanity, the only thing intervention is accomplishing is creating more enemies. We should all have military fatigue. We've been in war since the Europeans stole this very land we reside on. It would be nice if she advocated for bringing all of our military abroad home.

Bernie is right we need radical change, it's not coming and this country and the planet will pay the price for it.

Climate change doesn't wait for incremental change or change wrapped up in regressive policies.

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JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
2. Regardless who wins the planet is headed for a major economic collapse it's going to take radical
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:22 PM
Jun 2016

fix the problem.

PatrickforO

(14,558 posts)
3. Well, it is true that since climate change poses an existential threat. In fact, we might already
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:24 PM
Jun 2016

be f**ked.

However, that possibility does not give us the excuse not to keep trying. Thus, I am with you. I'm SO tired of having to hold my nose to vote for a candidate who sucks incrementally less than the their opponent.

In a sense, Clinton is lucky she will be running against Trump because if her opponent were Romney or Ryan, she would lose badly because she is such a weak candidate.

Against Trump she might be able to pull it out, simply because he is insane.

But as you say, that still leaves us as we are: our children debt slaves from college student loans, our Social Security in peril, a healthcare system that provides shitty, rationed care for a premium price higher than any other advanced nation pays, the forever war, the giant domestic 'security' spy apparatus and global warming.

As a species, we suck.

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
4. She will beat him, she also is more likely of the 2 to change her ideology and
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:26 PM
Jun 2016

actually become a progressive. (Economically)

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
7. She's very conservative - world fit comfortably in the current republican party
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:20 PM
Jun 2016

Any statement she makes now that sounds moderate is a hoax that will be discarded the second Bernie drops out of the race.

 

anotherproletariat

(1,446 posts)
8. The problem is that once she is declared the presumptive nominee and the attention all shifts to
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:27 PM
Jun 2016

Trump v. Clinton, Sanders will see his influence rapidly diminish. Now is his best time to try and bargain to get his causes heard.

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