Hillary Supporters - Do me and the world a favor...

[tecelote]

You have a good candidate but she is a hawk. I don't believe all of the good people here on DU are also hawks.

So please, speak out about this. No more war.

Hillary's propensity towards war goes against the beliefs of so many yet no one calls her out on it. It's Hillary 100%.

I think she'd make a fine President if I wasn't afraid she's going to start WWIII.

It would seem that Peace is something we can all get behind.

[tecelote]

4. I'm not talking about Sanders.

[TheCowsCameHome]

5. That is absurd.

Even from you.

That's straight out of the Right Wing talking points playbook.

Congratulations, you've outdone yourself.

[Electric Monk]

8. Please get your talking points straight. I've also seen him criticized for voting for arms

manufacturing because it supported jobs in his district (see reply #7 in this very thread). You can't have it both ways.

[beachbumbob]

12. What part of a declared pacifist isn't understandable?

Sanders can't run from his past nor the actions he did

[Matt_in_STL]

33. And Bill Clinton's actions to dodge the war are okay?

[Sheepshank]

64. I can't belive they hid that first post of yours

There was NOTHING in there against TOS. It was merely an uncomfortable truth stated without insult.

[MariaThinks]

65. Don't let the jury hide dissuade you. I'm getting attacked for posting news articles to the point

that people think they can tell me what I should and shouldn't focus on.

ridiculous and strangely indicative of a dictatorial mindset.

I have heard Bernie say he would not interfere in other countries even to stop dictators from slaughtering entire groups of people.

[Jitter65]

60. When one is President, perspective is different, based on reality that you suddenly must take into

account. No one can ever say "no more wars" and make that a promise. No qualifiers? We could be attacked tonight and you mean we shouldn't or wouldn't go after the attackers?

If Canada is attacked, you mean we should stay neutral and become sitting ducks?

We can always work for peace in ways that do not include conflict but then so many here talk about being nice to dictators is bad, or some dictators are better than others, we should deal with the Saudis, etc. Folks, trying to deal with bad people and bad leaders is how you keep from having wars.

[Ed Suspicious]

18. Derptastic.

[MariaThinks]

26. This concerns me as well

[avaistheone1]

37. Given Bill Clinton turned and ran with his deferrment from the Vietnam war,

then you are probably a Hillary voter then?.....

[avaistheone1]

32. Most UNtruthful and absurd answer posted in recent memory on DU.

[JRLeft]

35. More right wing talking points. What's next " Leading from behind"?

[hrmjustin]

2. I got off my but to protest her office in 2002.

[tecelote]

11. Thanks.

That's what I'm talking about. I'm not anti-Clinton. I just think this aspect is wrong. Being a supporter but letting your voice heard. You have my respect.

[hrmjustin]

14. Thank you!

[beaglelover]

3. So, if the US is attacked during her first term as POTUS, you'd rather she not do anything in

response?

[tecelote]

6. If we are attacked, yes. But, let's go after the country or terrorists that attacked us.

I take it you are fine with our bloated MIC?

[cherokeeprogressive]

16. Define "attacked". Because Iraq didn't attack us and she was fine with destroying the country.

[Ed Suspicious]

22. "We need to look at the Iraq as a business opportunity."

[Ed Suspicious]

20. Explain to me how this is not as stupid as I think it is.

[msongs]

7. dear hypocrisy, bernie props up the war machine every chance he and is rewarded with Lockheed

killing machinery in return. all this baloney about bernie being some sort of anti war hero is just baloney

[tecelote]

13. Not talking about Bernie.

[uppityperson]

10. K&R, that's my biggest concern also and will be doing what I can to prevent it.

[CrowCityDem]

15. Sometimes force is the right option.

Bernie would know all about this. He's voted for more interventions and wars than Hillary has.

You should speak up about that.

[tecelote]

17. I'm talking about Hillary.

So you think our MIC expenditures and current wars are fine?

I think we can do better.

[CrowCityDem]

21. You can't complain about her for something Bernie does too.

He votes for massive military projects. He votes for wars. He voted to make regime change in Iraq the official policy of this country.

Yes, Bernie voted against the Iraq war. Other than that, he's been roughly as hawkish as Hillary, if you actually look at his record. He'll never talk about it though. He's fine with people believing a fiction about him.

[tecelote]

25. I'm not talking about Bernie

If Hillary does become President, I would like her to know that many Americans think we need to take care of life here at home before we continue bombing other countries.

[CrowCityDem]

27. So it doesn't bother you that Bernie is mostly the same on these issues?

[tecelote]

40. I will speak out against anyone that promotes the current fear mongering.

So it doesn't bother you that Hillary is a hawk?

[CrowCityDem]

42. Considering that the Iraq vote gets miscontrued as to it's real meaning, no, not really.

[choie]

45. You are a typical follower

You have no other response, but to attack Bernie. How about responding directly to the OP? If you think Clinton being a hawk is just great, say so! If not, have the integrity to admit her failings.

[CrowCityDem]

47. I just did, but I don't arguments framed at singling out one person for what the other has done too.

[MohRokTah]

19. I opposed her decision on Iraq.

I applauded her decision on Afghanistan.

Like our president, I am not opposed to all wars, I'm just opposed to stupid wars.

Afghanistan was just.

Iraq was stupid.

[Demsrule86]

23. I am sure your only other choice

Donald Trump doesn't mean it when he says he will nuke Syria...sarcasm.

[tecelote]

29. I'm not one dimensional. Hillary has many good aspects.

This is wrong and I'm putting an effort in to changing it. Not just here but this is one small effort.

Hillary is not ordained. She has positives and negatives. This, I disagree with.

[riderinthestorm]

24. ^^^^This ^^^^ plus her support for cluster bombs and a tepid climate change agenda

Are also some of my concerns.

[BobbyDrake]

28. For the record, America didn't start WWI or WWII. But we sure did end them.

So stow your phony concern.

[tecelote]

30. Chalk one up for the Hawks.

But wait, WWI & WWII were not really wars of choice were they?

[larkrake]

41. We did start Nam, Panama,Iraq, Libia and a few others

Her constant call to dethrone dictators is of great concern. It is her fanatic issue and dead wrong. She wants an Empire and wont stop

[BobbyDrake]

48. Is it progressive then, to leave dictators in power? If yes, since when?

Isolationism is not a popular idea in America and never has been.

[larkrake]

50. It is not our business, and she left a vacumn- didnt learn from Iraq at all

she does not think before she acts.

I suppose you like that the US has their nose in the business of every country on earth. We are the bullies of the world and are feared and disrespected-rightfully so.

Isolationism is the opposite extreme, but we are actively starting conflicts and I am not proud of that.

[BobbyDrake]

51. Aaaaaand there's the America hate, right on schedule. Good-bye!

You Bernie supporters are like a parody of progressivism, at this point.

[larkrake]

54. not hate, just reality. You probably believed Iraq was a good idea

[R B Garr]

31. Her husband didn't start any wars, so maybe that was her example. That was George

Bush's war.

[tecelote]

36. During Bill's time, I thought we were the Peacekeepers. I was proud.

I'm not anti-military either. I'm just against the current climate where we feel the need to intervene and topple governments.

We have needs at home that our huge military budget could help with. Ironically, Veterans should be at the top of that list. What kind of country are we that we spend so much on war but can not take care of our veterans?

[larkrake]

55. amen

[davidlynch]

34. NOTE: ABSOLUTELY NO DIRECT ANSWERS TO YOUR INQUIRY...

Nothing but spin, spin, spin. Not a single Hillary supporter is willing to step up and speak about Hillary's warmongering. *CRICKETS*

[tecelote]

38. Yes. Yet I'm sure many of her supporters do care.

I could be wrong.

[larkrake]

43. I'm losing faith they do care. seems her gender is their only issue

[Maedhros]

39. That's because they don't care.

One only criticizes Republicans about war.

A Hillary supporter IRL was sneering at me yesterday for not supporting her in the General. The email scandal came up, and this exchange ensued:

He: "Nobody cares about the email!"

Me: "I can guarantee that if it was Jeb Bush who had done that, you'd be outraged."

Him: "Yes, but that's because he's my enemy."

Situational ethics - they drive the Democratic Party.

[oberliner]

49. And if Bernie Sanders had the email problems you'd be defending him

That's just how it goes.

[-none]

46. You expected something different?

None of them know what they stand for, except that they stand for Hillary.
Like a school of fish, the all turn as one.

[MariaThinks]

66. Here you go. She is doing what she can to defend against terrorists. In Libya it was a choice

to stop our allies (how would we do that) or support them in stopping qaddaffi from slaughtering tens of thousands of his people.

Would you have done nothing and let him kill his people?

[Dem2]

44. So I see the word of the day is "hawk"

So why did the off site group decide that Hawk was the thing to harp on today?

[Trust Buster]

52. Hillary is not a hawk. She was fully behind the President's pull out of Iraq and the Republicans

attacked her for it. Sanders is a conscientious objector and, therefore, is disqualified to be Commander in Chief.

[larkrake]

56. and she jumped right into Libya and Syria

Bernie is against preemptive war, yes It was stupid. All the wars since WWII have been stupid

[Trust Buster]

57. The U.S. did not lead the Libya effort. And yes, I support efforts to intervene when a leader

is committing genocide upon his own people.

[larkrake]

58. and Hill didnt think it through- and was the one convincing Obama to do it

It was not our business. Boko Haram is worse , Saudi Arabia is just as bad. We have to let regions fight their own battles

[Trust Buster]

62. Genocide should always be our business. Iraq shouldn't have been but genocide should.

And, I resent you treating President Obama like he's some brainless fool incapable of making a Commander in Chief decision. You are summarily dismissed.

[randome]

69. {Clap}{Clap}

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[upaloopa]

53. Berie folks have created a Hillary to hate because Bernie needed a Hillary

to run against. Hillary and Bernie agree on most everything.

So no I will not accept your narrative about Hillary. You need to come to know the real Hillary.

[tecelote]

59. Tell me about the peace loving Hillary.

As mentioned above, Bill was not such a hawk. But, in Hillary I see the aggression I see in Republicans.

This has nothing to do with Bernie. If Hillary or Bernie is the nominee, we need to scale our wars back and become peacekeepers once again. Intervention and toppling governments is wrong and very dangerous.

[Duval]

63. I respectfully disagree.

And talk about "hate", the slam against "Berie" folks isn't exactly neutral.

[MariaThinks]

67. like the republicans created an invisible Obama

[larkrake]

68. they do not agree on important issues at all

[Sheepshank]

61. Presidents or Congress declare war? Nt

[pdsimdars]

70. Please, stop with the lies. She is a horrible candidate who doesn't believe in anyting Democratic.

.Really, which of these issues are Democratic? All of them are Republican stances.
Stop making excuses for her.


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