This delegate double standard is crazy. Clinton gets the same rules Obama had.

[joshcryer]

There's no debating it. There's no amount of hand wringing, crying, moaning, complaining, anything that changes that undeniable fact.

The pledged delegate leader will get the most votes at the convention. That's the standard that Obama had in 2008 and it will be the standard this year. Period.

[tonyt53]

1. But Bernie is entitled to them, or so he thinks so anyway. He is just trying to do harm now

Those nasty long standing rules are just conspiracy theories anyway. Aren't they?

[riversedge]

2. Correct.

[Starry Messenger]

3. .

[sheshe2]

4. Yup!

[appal_jack]

5. Just like Obama was under FBI investigation back then!

Oh, wait, he wasn't.

2008 /= 2016. There's no debating it.

-app

[madamesilverspurs]

8. Naw...

...he just had to deal with Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O’Reilly, the KKK, Aryan Nations, the American Nazi Party, numerous white supremacy groups, Fox “news”, Americans for Prosperity, and all the rest of the ignorance-rooted Republican base created by Reagan, not to mention the vicious vituperative faction against him within the Democratic party (as evidenced in all of its glorious ugliness right here on DU, lasting until after his election). But whatever.

[joshcryer]

9. The birther movement was in full force.

This is silly, the right wing always tries this shit.

[onenote]

10. The FBI investigation was announced in February 2016

How many of the previously announced Clinton super delegates rescinded their commitment since then? How many new super delegates announced for Clinton since then.

If the announcement of the FBI investigation hasn't reversed or even slowed Clinton's support from super delegates for the last four months, its not going to suddenly be reversed because of anything Sanders says.

[YouDig]

14. He had his own bullshit to deal with. Birther, Rev Wright, that Weathermen guy, etc.

There's always bullshit.

[geek tragedy]

15. irrelevant. the FBI doesn't get a vote nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. Just clap harder

[glowing]

6. Does anyone remember the PUMA's? No? I do.

Honestly, she may reach the threshold and become the winner of the primaries, but I doubt highly that she's winning in the GE.

Trying to frame this as a man vs woman thing is absolutely disgusting. And it's been made rather VERY clear this primary, that the establishment and the DNC doesn't represent the people, they represent their corporate donors... They may give out friendly social ideals, but God forbid they actually create a trade deal that strengthens workers or makes corporations pay a living wage.

Obama and Clinton were very much alike with regards to policies and donors. There was the Hope that there could finally be a Change... With Bernie, people know they have a real fighter for real people in the White House... And who can appoint heads of depts and the Suprem court. He would make a huge difference in people's real lives. Clinton won't.

Quite frankly, if that's the best women have to offer to the executive branch for the first time ever, I'm embarrassed to call myself a woman!!!!

[joshcryer]

7. Yeah, the PUMAs were led by a likely schitzo crazy person.

They were irrelevant.

BTW, that Hillary is 44 women is a Trump supporter now. The PUMAs are crazy.

[seabeyond]

29. PUMA '08 Bigger than PUMA '16. Same thing, different group.

[aikoaiko]

11. You're confounding rules with convention or practice, and Bernie is challenging convention.

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The HRC declared SD don't have to switch and Bernie can make his pitch.

If Bernie could actually succeed in getting the rehired number of HRC SDs to switch to him it would stunning.

I say let Bernie work the process as long as he wants and this will be over soon.

[Metric System]

12. Yes, it would be stunning in the sense that the will of the voters will be overturned by SDs.

[aikoaiko]

13. That too but that SD were created with that scenario in mind.

Or it would be allowed by regulation.

[geek tragedy]

16. Bernie can work the process, and he can expect to be judged for his actions nt

[aikoaiko]

17. Yes he can. I'm glad he is showing that a hippy liberal can fight to the end.

It's really a beautiful thing when you reflect back on other promising candidates Hart, Kucinich, Dean, and Edwards how to bow out early.

[geek tragedy]

20. expect those who do not adore him to have a different reaction nt

[aikoaiko]

23. Once the GE is behind us I'm sure team HRC will stop being sore winners.

[geek tragedy]

24. yes, absolutely, I'm more than happy to never talk about Bernie Sanders again nt

[aikoaiko]

25. I'm sure. He's been very inconvenient for team HRC.

And the leftier side of the party probably won't speak much of him either except with fondness for fighting hard for a good cause. There will be others who will pick up where Bernie left off. We will learn from Bernie's mistakes and vulnerabilities and do better next time. Fortunately, there will never be another HRC.

But then again, its not really about Bernie the way Hillary is about her supporters. I think that is a function of the identity politics game.

[geek tragedy]

26. plenty of time to relitigate all that after the general election nt

[MariaThinks]

28. that will depend on if bernie supporters are not sore losers

[seabeyond]

30. Exactly. If he is going to be an ass, we get to see him as an ass. Lol. Sanders gets to do

whatever he wants. But, he does get to pay the price for that, too.

No demanding he can do whatever, and we are suppose to still respect him. Not the way it works, even if as special as Sanders seems to think he is.

[DCBob]

18. That "convention" is important.

There are good reasons that a candidate who is far ahead is declared the nominee prior to the convention.

To give the presumptive nominee some breathing room and prep time for the convention and to allow for the party to begin to rally around the nominee and provide some momentum going into the convention. If Bernie really cared about the Democratic Party nominee winning he would bow out Tuesday evening.

[aikoaiko]

19. Yes that is its function.

And also it allows the conceding party to receive something from the would be winner.

For example, HRC needed Obama to help erase $12 million dollars in personal debt before conceding. They agreed on the quid pro quo.

I don't know what HRC could offer Bernie.

[NorthCarolina]

21. That time the establishment owned both candidates so they didn't care. This time however

their very livelihood and way of life is being threatened by someone would would actually still be a populist after the primaries are over.

[Agnosticsherbet]

27. Also the same standard in 2004, 2000, 1992, 1988, and 1984.

Super Delegates never went against the will of the voters. They are not about to start now.

[beachbum bob]

31. The media proclaim...and sanders tantrums and threats don't work