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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:54 AM Jun 2016

Even if you don't support Bernie as a candidate, you should want the platform to include his ideas.

The best way to win this year is to recognize that we, as a party, have to embody a spirit of real change.
And that it is crucial to capture the wish for transformation that the Sanders campaign embodies.

This doesn't require doing anything that the vast majority of HRC supporters would have any reason to feel uncomfortable about. It simply means unifying the party in a spirit of equal partnership and hope for the future.

To bring us all together, let the negotiations begin soon...let the merging of ideas begin soon...Let the work of winning in the fall begin soon.

That work means making sure that no one is sent away from the convention having been vanquished. It means admitting that both sides in this primary fight need each other and that both are worthy of respect and inclusion in the future of this country and this party. The usual dynamic can't work this time and no one should insist on it. What matters is beating the right in the fall, not putting anyone in their place or settling any scores.

We can't win without each other, without embracing and welcoming all who have been part of this process since last summer. The path to victory is based on partnership.


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Even if you don't support Bernie as a candidate, you should want the platform to include his ideas. (Original Post) Ken Burch Jun 2016 OP
They "hate" "the old man" and his "stupid supporters"............unity....they don't want bkkyosemite Jun 2016 #1
Yeah, because BS cheerleaders around here have been just a bucket of sunshine SFnomad Jun 2016 #3
I agree zappaman Jun 2016 #2
What "ideas"? Sanders ProgressiveEconomist Jun 2016 #4
Which ideas? ContinentalOp Jun 2016 #5
decent message on many areas but not fit for the job due to his temperament and tendencies nt msongs Jun 2016 #6
We like Clinton policies way better hence voting for Clinton. Why would we adopt the person who lost seabeyond Jun 2016 #7
Why would you prefer sharply more conservative policies on most issues? n/t. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #8
Mostly more progressive having thought them thru levelling the playing field. seabeyond Jun 2016 #9
It can't be more progressive to propose smaller programs with more limited effect. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #10
His college plan alone show how little he thought it thru. Atrocious. seabeyond Jun 2016 #11
Hillary Clinton as POTUS isnt going to mean a whole ton of social or policy change. Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #15
Which ideas? Buzz cook Jun 2016 #12
What ideas does he have that are vastly different from Clinton's proposals? qdouble Jun 2016 #13
He's right about descheduling cannabis at the federal level. Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #14
Which ideas? Some are good, some are awful Recursion Jun 2016 #16

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
1. They "hate" "the old man" and his "stupid supporters"............unity....they don't want
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:58 AM
Jun 2016

Bernie or his supporters to have any negotiations to being soon. They don't want the merging of ideas. You really think that. Apples and Oranges.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
3. Yeah, because BS cheerleaders around here have been just a bucket of sunshine
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 01:14 AM
Jun 2016

Who would want to unite with people like them? Unity isn't a one way street and it's not just the Clinton Campaign appeasing the BS campaign with everything they want, just so we can be honored to get their precious votes.

ProgressiveEconomist

(5,818 posts)
4. What "ideas"? Sanders
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 01:16 AM
Jun 2016

offered cynically opportunistic pie-in-the-sky to millenials, a health insurance plan that echoed Republican attacks on President Obama's historic ACA, and defamatory lies about HRC coordinated with Republicans.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
7. We like Clinton policies way better hence voting for Clinton. Why would we adopt the person who lost
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 01:31 AM
Jun 2016

Platform?

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
10. It can't be more progressive to propose smaller programs with more limited effect.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 01:44 AM
Jun 2016

Or to defer to what corporate power demands.

Military intervention can't be progressive in any remaining world situations(from now on, any war we get into, other than defense of our own territory, will only be a war to defend the profits of the wealthy).

We need a politics that unites the victims of hatred and oppression with the victims of greed(many of which are the same people).


Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
15. Hillary Clinton as POTUS isnt going to mean a whole ton of social or policy change.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 03:50 AM
Jun 2016

I mean, that's mostly fine with me- a 3rd Obama term, as she has positioned herself as running for, isn't really such a terrible sounding idea from where I sit, however I realize some long-running issues will likely either get ignored or papered over.

But I do think people are in for some disappointment if they think she will usher in some sort of tectonic changes.

Buzz cook

(2,471 posts)
12. Which ideas?
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 03:40 AM
Jun 2016

Because Sanders does have an opportunity to influence the platform.

The problem as I see it is many of Sanders proposals are just variations on the same theme Clinton has.

qdouble

(891 posts)
13. What ideas does he have that are vastly different from Clinton's proposals?
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 03:41 AM
Jun 2016

Also, wouldn't he be able to make amendments in the Senate to anything she's trying to push through? He is the "amendment king" right?

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
14. He's right about descheduling cannabis at the federal level.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 03:43 AM
Jun 2016

Anything less leaves the conflict between federal and state law intact, both in states that have legalized for recreational as well as medical use.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
16. Which ideas? Some are good, some are awful
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 04:18 AM
Jun 2016

He's said he wants to embargo trade with any country that has a lower minimum wage than the US. I'd leave the party if that was ever on the platform.

I might be for or against his health care plan if he could get more specific: particularly I need to know if providers will be legally required to accept it and forbidden from accepting private payments.

"Breaking up the banks" is so vague and vacuous that I can't even say whether I'm for it or against it. There could be good and bad ways to do it but he presents it as an end in itself, which I certainly don't think the party should adopt.

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