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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 01:20 PM Jun 2016

Why can’t Sanders admit defeat? He’s looking more and more foolish as he denies Hillary’s victory

Over the weekend, Hillary Clinton won a couple more primary races — in Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands — expanding her already substantial lead over Bernie Sanders in the Democratic primary contest. But Sanders refuses to give up the ghost, insinuating that he must, on some level, be the real winner and that this fight has to be taken to the convention so he can snatch the prize he clearly believes belongs to him, even as the voters continue disagreeing.

“Mr. Sanders,” the New York Times reports, “insists that the convention will be contested because he is still lobbying superdelegates — party officials and state leaders who cast their final votes at the convention — to withdraw support from Mrs. Clinton and back him instead.”

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It’s a frustrating argument, because Sanders spent most of the campaign portraying superdelegates as some kind of corrupt elites there to deprive the popular winner of the vote. But now that Clinton is the clear winner of the popular vote, suddenly the superdelegates are legitimate again.

Calvinball antics during elections are hardly anything new — remember “hanging chads”? — but even by those standards, this is headache-inducing pretzel logic. It’s clear the only principle being employed by the Sanders camp is that the only rules that are legitimate are the ones that lead to his win.

Read more:

http://www.salon.com/2016/06/06/why_cant_sanders_admit_defeat_hes_looking_more_and_more_foolish_as_he_denies_hillarys_victory/

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Why can’t Sanders admit defeat? He’s looking more and more foolish as he denies Hillary’s victory (Original Post) Cali_Democrat Jun 2016 OP
I give him 3 days after California. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #1
It doesn't matter after the primaries, and it Hortensis Jun 2016 #24
In the next publication of Merriam-Webster, under hypocrite will be a photo of Bernie. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #2
Wow, such wit. Did you lay awake all night to think that one up? phleshdef Jun 2016 #33
He's not a quitter like Hillary is. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #3
Now there's a powerful argument that will force superdelegates to switch to Bernie. Cali_Democrat Jun 2016 #5
. hrmjustin Jun 2016 #10
He is not a man of integrity like he claims to be. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #12
He's got bucket loads of integrity over Hillary. Live and Learn Jun 2016 #16
His flagrant superdelegate hypocrisy says otherwise. -nt- Lord Magus Jun 2016 #19
Really? That is worse that supporting illicit wars, private prisons, fracking, bad trade policies, Live and Learn Jun 2016 #25
I too pretend that people lack integrity simply for voting differently than me. LanternWaste Jun 2016 #29
Well, cept for those "southern states" which Weaver AND Divine declared he didn't compete in uponit7771 Jun 2016 #43
" the only rules that are legitimate are the ones that lead to his win. " seabeyond Jun 2016 #4
You are flummoxed AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #6
I totally agree with this. NurseJackie Jun 2016 #7
Because Clinton is under investigation by the FBI Tropicalsox Jun 2016 #8
I think if Sanders really thought there'd be an indictment justiceischeap Jun 2016 #13
You don't burn your sources and you don't tip your hand Fumesucker Jun 2016 #20
Yes, that's Bernie. Going from I don't give a damn about her emails justiceischeap Jun 2016 #28
When the indictment fairy is your campaign's only hope, it's time to hang it up. -nt- Lord Magus Jun 2016 #21
Lol. So true. I was just thinking we need to be Hortensis Jun 2016 #27
+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #44
Can't you wait one more day? TheFarseer Jun 2016 #9
There is reporting that he may drop out after tomorrow night BainsBane Jun 2016 #11
Especially consider the breaking story on how Bernie jumped on beachbumbob Jun 2016 #14
he acts that way because she is bad for the country. larkrake Jun 2016 #31
It's bad for Bernie, he loses the big stage and the microphone beachbumbob Jun 2016 #34
It's called campaigning. Orsino Jun 2016 #15
Arriving at the convention as a candidate doesn't give him leverage. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #22
Yes, it does. Orsino Jun 2016 #35
Taking it to the convention would result in him being considered hostile to the party as a whole. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #39
He wouldn't be arriving alone. Orsino Jun 2016 #42
that doesnt matter. He doesnt need to speak larkrake Jun 2016 #36
Says the poster that makes up stuff daily Logical Jun 2016 #17
Why didn't Hilary give up June 3, 2008, when the numbers showed Obama won? dmosh42 Jun 2016 #18
He hasn't beckoned back to Bobby Kennedy's assassination so TheKentuckian Jun 2016 #23
The enclosed video is why. Also because he is fighting for a just cause, and a cause that is highprincipleswork Jun 2016 #26
You sure do love your Russian propaganda it seems. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #40
Cuz it's good, it's true, it's funny. Too much for you, huh? highprincipleswork Jun 2016 #41
SDs are mostly corrupt elites, and the process tilts the scales. undemocratic larkrake Jun 2016 #30
It is possible Saviolo Jun 2016 #32
Ego? Doesn't like losing to a female candidate? nt LexVegas Jun 2016 #37
Eh, let him have his time Dem2 Jun 2016 #38

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
24. It doesn't matter after the primaries, and it
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:17 PM
Jun 2016

will keep a lot of interest focused on the Democrats. Not the best kind, but if we were all holding hands and singing folk songs together, people'd change the channel. As it is, the nation has 5 months ahead of Trump's "You're a stupid doo-doo"s bouncing back and forth with Hillary's "The GOP nominee is dangerous and incompetent"s.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
16. He's got bucket loads of integrity over Hillary.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 01:48 PM
Jun 2016

But it is pretty obvious that many here don't care about integrity.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
25. Really? That is worse that supporting illicit wars, private prisons, fracking, bad trade policies,
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:18 PM
Jun 2016

welfare reform and calling people "super-predators." You have a strange sense of integrity.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
29. I too pretend that people lack integrity simply for voting differently than me.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:25 PM
Jun 2016

I too pretend that people lack integrity simply for voting differently than me.

Sure, it's irrational and unsupported babble that even an under-educated bumper-sticker would reject, but it allows us to maintain the pretense that only our side is righteous and pure. And lacking that child-like bias, we're left with nothing more than second-place.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
4. " the only rules that are legitimate are the ones that lead to his win. "
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 01:25 PM
Jun 2016

Along with Sanders consistent and constant hypocrisy, this is something else we have learned about Sanders, consistently, thru out his campaign.

Tropicalsox

(1 post)
8. Because Clinton is under investigation by the FBI
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 01:30 PM
Jun 2016

If there is an indictment, it will be a very interesting convention.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
13. I think if Sanders really thought there'd be an indictment
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 01:36 PM
Jun 2016

he'd be shouting about it from the rooftops. I also suspect if anyone in the Democratic Party, including President Obama, thought there'd be an indictment, they'd have encouraged Clinton to drop out ages ago.

But you keep hoping for that indictment.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
20. You don't burn your sources and you don't tip your hand
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:09 PM
Jun 2016

If Sanders lets it be known that he has that knowledge then immediately the leaker is under a threat of one sort or another.

Also who would believe it? I can just imagine how such a claim would go down here on DU.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
28. Yes, that's Bernie. Going from I don't give a damn about her emails
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:24 PM
Jun 2016

to holding her indictment details close to the vest so he can spring it on the world right before the convention, thus, convincing all the SuperD's to switch to him and securing the nomination.

She's being embraced by way too many high-level politicians to be indictable. They'd run from her as fast as possible if they thought there'd even be an inkling of a possibility--particularly President Obama who looks like he's gearing up to hit the trail for her.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
27. Lol. So true. I was just thinking we need to be
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:22 PM
Jun 2016

nicer ourselves -- this next week is for all of us to get "it" out of our system -- not just SBSers, then more of this indictment nastiness. Tropicalsox, I notice you honored what is listed at least as your first post with this mean loser fantasy. Interesting.

I've never wished an innocent person into prison in my life, and never will. Despicable beyond expression.

TheFarseer

(9,322 posts)
9. Can't you wait one more day?
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 01:31 PM
Jun 2016

If Bernie doesn't amaze tomorrow, then I will be forced to agree with you that we came up a little short.

BainsBane

(53,031 posts)
11. There is reporting that he may drop out after tomorrow night
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 01:32 PM
Jun 2016
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/06/msnbcs-kasie-hunt-hints-bernie-ready-to-drop-out-insiders-more-solemn-than-you-would-expect/

I have no problem with his staying in through California. After Clinton reaches a majority of pledged delegates (2026), he really needs to concede.
 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
14. Especially consider the breaking story on how Bernie jumped on
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 01:38 PM
Jun 2016

The Obama bandwagon ....when Obama was declared presumptive nominee with way less leads over Hillary....does sanders act this way because he is dealing with a female? Needs asking considering the lack of female staffers...

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
15. It's called campaigning.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 01:40 PM
Jun 2016

No one admits defeat until conceding, and Sanders has made clear he intends to arrive at the convention as a candidate, the better to leverage his delegates into influence.

That much is simple, though it certainly isn't conventional.

Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
22. Arriving at the convention as a candidate doesn't give him leverage.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:12 PM
Jun 2016

It does however shut him out of having a speaking role at the convention, because nobody who's an active candidate is going to be allowed to speak on stage before the delegates' roll call vote.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
35. Yes, it does.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:48 PM
Jun 2016

Wasserman-Schultz and Clinton aren't foolish enough to believe otherwise.

Conceding early could buy specific concessions, I assume, but arriving at the convention strong guarantees them.

Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
39. Taking it to the convention would result in him being considered hostile to the party as a whole.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 03:25 PM
Jun 2016

He'd get no concessions in that circumstance and might not even be allowed in the door.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
42. He wouldn't be arriving alone.
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 06:29 AM
Jun 2016

He would be leading a stadium-load of delegates and supporters, representing millions more, all of whom both he and Clinton want to see united behind a nominee.

Revenge fantasies are childish.

TheKentuckian

(25,023 posts)
23. He hasn't beckoned back to Bobby Kennedy's assassination so
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:16 PM
Jun 2016

he seems relatively fine compared to Clinton standards.

 

highprincipleswork

(3,111 posts)
26. The enclosed video is why. Also because he is fighting for a just cause, and a cause that is
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:21 PM
Jun 2016

supported by roughly half the Democrats that currently exist.

 

larkrake

(1,674 posts)
30. SDs are mostly corrupt elites, and the process tilts the scales. undemocratic
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:28 PM
Jun 2016

and only a fool would drop out before the SDs vote. A wise man follows through with a process, for the good of his country and doesnt even consider quitting his followers

Only the fearful push to sever the process. Hillary agrees its best to wait, so whats your problem, listening to media as your Gods?

Saviolo

(3,282 posts)
32. It is possible
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:31 PM
Jun 2016

To think that the superdelegate system is corrupt, or at the very least less democratic (remember, almost all of the superdelegates declared for Hillary before a single vote had been cast, so it's a mystery how they knew the will of the people, yet), while at the same time knowing and acknowledging that they are part of the system within which he operates.

He's playing a game with a very complex set of rules. He doesn't like the rules and wishes they would change, and even wants to change them, but can't, yet. So when he gains a success within those rules, he celebrates.

TYT described superdelegates very well, I thought:

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
38. Eh, let him have his time
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 03:18 PM
Jun 2016

If tomorrow goes as expected, attitudes will shift relatively quickly, there will be no reason to convince the voters to stick it out.

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