2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhy can’t Sanders admit defeat? He’s looking more and more foolish as he denies Hillary’s victory
Over the weekend, Hillary Clinton won a couple more primary races in Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands expanding her already substantial lead over Bernie Sanders in the Democratic primary contest. But Sanders refuses to give up the ghost, insinuating that he must, on some level, be the real winner and that this fight has to be taken to the convention so he can snatch the prize he clearly believes belongs to him, even as the voters continue disagreeing.
Mr. Sanders, the New York Times reports, insists that the convention will be contested because he is still lobbying superdelegates party officials and state leaders who cast their final votes at the convention to withdraw support from Mrs. Clinton and back him instead.
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Its a frustrating argument, because Sanders spent most of the campaign portraying superdelegates as some kind of corrupt elites there to deprive the popular winner of the vote. But now that Clinton is the clear winner of the popular vote, suddenly the superdelegates are legitimate again.
Calvinball antics during elections are hardly anything new remember hanging chads? but even by those standards, this is headache-inducing pretzel logic. Its clear the only principle being employed by the Sanders camp is that the only rules that are legitimate are the ones that lead to his win.
Read more:
http://www.salon.com/2016/06/06/why_cant_sanders_admit_defeat_hes_looking_more_and_more_foolish_as_he_denies_hillarys_victory/
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)After that, I agree with you.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)will keep a lot of interest focused on the Democrats. Not the best kind, but if we were all holding hands and singing folk songs together, people'd change the channel. As it is, the nation has 5 months ahead of Trump's "You're a stupid doo-doo"s bouncing back and forth with Hillary's "The GOP nominee is dangerous and incompetent"s.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)phleshdef
(11,936 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)Demanding to win even when he loses is unacceptable.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)But it is pretty obvious that many here don't care about integrity.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)welfare reform and calling people "super-predators." You have a strange sense of integrity.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I too pretend that people lack integrity simply for voting differently than me.
Sure, it's irrational and unsupported babble that even an under-educated bumper-sticker would reject, but it allows us to maintain the pretense that only our side is righteous and pure. And lacking that child-like bias, we're left with nothing more than second-place.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Along with Sanders consistent and constant hypocrisy, this is something else we have learned about Sanders, consistently, thru out his campaign.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Tropicalsox
(1 post)If there is an indictment, it will be a very interesting convention.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)he'd be shouting about it from the rooftops. I also suspect if anyone in the Democratic Party, including President Obama, thought there'd be an indictment, they'd have encouraged Clinton to drop out ages ago.
But you keep hoping for that indictment.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)If Sanders lets it be known that he has that knowledge then immediately the leaker is under a threat of one sort or another.
Also who would believe it? I can just imagine how such a claim would go down here on DU.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)to holding her indictment details close to the vest so he can spring it on the world right before the convention, thus, convincing all the SuperD's to switch to him and securing the nomination.
She's being embraced by way too many high-level politicians to be indictable. They'd run from her as fast as possible if they thought there'd even be an inkling of a possibility--particularly President Obama who looks like he's gearing up to hit the trail for her.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)nicer ourselves -- this next week is for all of us to get "it" out of our system -- not just SBSers, then more of this indictment nastiness. Tropicalsox, I notice you honored what is listed at least as your first post with this mean loser fantasy. Interesting.
I've never wished an innocent person into prison in my life, and never will. Despicable beyond expression.
TheFarseer
(9,322 posts)If Bernie doesn't amaze tomorrow, then I will be forced to agree with you that we came up a little short.
BainsBane
(53,031 posts)I have no problem with his staying in through California. After Clinton reaches a majority of pledged delegates (2026), he really needs to concede.
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)The Obama bandwagon ....when Obama was declared presumptive nominee with way less leads over Hillary....does sanders act this way because he is dealing with a female? Needs asking considering the lack of female staffers...
larkrake
(1,674 posts)beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)No one admits defeat until conceding, and Sanders has made clear he intends to arrive at the convention as a candidate, the better to leverage his delegates into influence.
That much is simple, though it certainly isn't conventional.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)It does however shut him out of having a speaking role at the convention, because nobody who's an active candidate is going to be allowed to speak on stage before the delegates' roll call vote.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Wasserman-Schultz and Clinton aren't foolish enough to believe otherwise.
Conceding early could buy specific concessions, I assume, but arriving at the convention strong guarantees them.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)He'd get no concessions in that circumstance and might not even be allowed in the door.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)He would be leading a stadium-load of delegates and supporters, representing millions more, all of whom both he and Clinton want to see united behind a nominee.
Revenge fantasies are childish.
larkrake
(1,674 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)dmosh42
(2,217 posts)TheKentuckian
(25,023 posts)he seems relatively fine compared to Clinton standards.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)supported by roughly half the Democrats that currently exist.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)Why spam out that RT garbage in every post?
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)larkrake
(1,674 posts)and only a fool would drop out before the SDs vote. A wise man follows through with a process, for the good of his country and doesnt even consider quitting his followers
Only the fearful push to sever the process. Hillary agrees its best to wait, so whats your problem, listening to media as your Gods?
Saviolo
(3,282 posts)To think that the superdelegate system is corrupt, or at the very least less democratic (remember, almost all of the superdelegates declared for Hillary before a single vote had been cast, so it's a mystery how they knew the will of the people, yet), while at the same time knowing and acknowledging that they are part of the system within which he operates.
He's playing a game with a very complex set of rules. He doesn't like the rules and wishes they would change, and even wants to change them, but can't, yet. So when he gains a success within those rules, he celebrates.
TYT described superdelegates very well, I thought:
LexVegas
(6,059 posts)Dem2
(8,168 posts)If tomorrow goes as expected, attitudes will shift relatively quickly, there will be no reason to convince the voters to stick it out.