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friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 06:35 PM Jun 2016

There will be no unity without a ticket that has *both* Clinton AND Sanders on it

In either order.

If Clinton gets the presidential nod, she'll need Sanders to campaign for her and if
she wins she'll need at least one person around not inclined to genuflect.

If it's Sanders, Hillary can be his devil's advocate and tell him when neccessary
"Bernie, that shit ain't gonna happen, and here's why".

If this sounds unlikely, consider John F. Kennedy's choice of Lyndon Johnson as VP
after Johnson tried to defeat Kennedy in the 1960 primaries:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_B._Johnson#Nomination

Or the vice-presidency of Henry A. Wallace, a guy who made FDR look like
Warren B. Harding:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_A._Wallace


http://www.britannica.com/biography/Henry-A-Wallace

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There will be no unity without a ticket that has *both* Clinton AND Sanders on it (Original Post) friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 OP
Highly unlikely beachbumbob Jun 2016 #1
We united just fine in 08 without doing that. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #2
Exactly. As for that dreadful ticket, some Hortensis Jun 2016 #36
No. nt ecstatic Jun 2016 #3
No. Not going to happen. nt sufrommich Jun 2016 #4
Trying to be objective here...if Hillary is looking for someone to step in if anything should happen eastwestdem Jun 2016 #5
Johnson was older than JFK, and did not do nearly as well in the '60 primaries as Sanders has friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #7
A little different, since JFK was so young. nt eastwestdem Jun 2016 #9
JFK needed LBJ's pull in the South PJMcK Jun 2016 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife Jun 2016 #6
Of course you aren't. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife Jun 2016 #27
Sorry, but even if Sander is VP, I still couldn't vote for Hillary. basselope Jun 2016 #8
I do hope you'll change your mind- I'm no great fan of Hillary, but Trump is truly vile. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #11
Stop with the trump shit. pangaia Jun 2016 #15
I will not, the man is a flat-out fascist. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #18
Then the Democrats should nominate a better candidate if they want to beat Trump. Maedhros Jun 2016 #20
Vile yes. I won't argue with you there. pangaia Jun 2016 #24
The Better Candidate... jamese777 Jun 2016 #25
ridiculous dana_b Jun 2016 #41
Noooo, that's not accurate. pangaia Jun 2016 #42
6 of one... I'll vote for neither. basselope Jun 2016 #44
I would consider it pandering and I'll bet a lot of others would too dana_b Jun 2016 #40
No thanks. annavictorious Jun 2016 #10
JFK needed Johnson's voters, and Clinton needs Sanders voters friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #16
The examples you gave were all going in the same direction. jwirr Jun 2016 #12
Hard no...nt SidDithers Jun 2016 #13
A 69 year old nominee from the northeast will not pick a 74 year old from the northeast. Trust Buster Jun 2016 #14
I'm a Sanders supporter and I don't want to see that happen. Miles Archer Jun 2016 #19
"Bernie, that shit ain't gonna happen, and here's why". Maedhros Jun 2016 #21
a couple weeks ago I agreed Sanders for VP MFM008 Jun 2016 #22
Even If Sanders were a Democrat it would be impossible MyNameGoesHere Jun 2016 #23
Nah. It will be somebody young and from the West (nt) Recursion Jun 2016 #26
Ridiculous MoonRiver Jun 2016 #28
There aint no way that will happen n/t doc03 Jun 2016 #29
It isn't a good idea to have a President and VP who are both their age gollygee Jun 2016 #30
Even if Hillary was kind enough to offer, Bernie's ego wouldn't let him accept. qdouble Jun 2016 #31
Nope. He would not respect the presidency, know his place, be supportive. In essence, we can't do seabeyond Jun 2016 #32
BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! MohRokTah Jun 2016 #33
My Same Response lib87 Jun 2016 #39
That is a really bad idea rock Jun 2016 #34
If we want a Dem the White House in 2024 hack89 Jun 2016 #35
That is adorable. nt TeamPooka Jun 2016 #37
If Clinton chooses Warren, that takes care of a lot of Sanders supporters justiceischeap Jun 2016 #38
Hill enid602 Jun 2016 #45

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
36. Exactly. As for that dreadful ticket, some
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:32 PM
Jun 2016

marriages were not meant to be. And no one knows that better than the two of them, I'm sure.

You know, psychologists say that ideological personality compatibility is a much stronger factor in matches than any other--income, education, background. Bernie has a rigid radical, intolerant streak that definitely grates on, and dis-impresses, people without it, while he apparently can't respect people without it, literally sees all liberal politicians as intrinsically corrupt.

Nooope--if they were two ordinary people their friends wouldn't even have bothered setting them up for a first date.

 

eastwestdem

(1,220 posts)
5. Trying to be objective here...if Hillary is looking for someone to step in if anything should happen
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 06:38 PM
Jun 2016

to her, shouldn't she go with someone younger? Maybe from a swing state?

Also, is there any indication that Sanders would even accept the VP spot?

PJMcK

(22,025 posts)
43. JFK needed LBJ's pull in the South
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:45 PM
Jun 2016

Then-Senator Kennedy knew that he'd need Senator Johnson's help in the southern states. In the OP's scenario, what regional strength does Senator Sanders bring to the Clinton campaign?

Response to friendly_iconoclast (Original post)

Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
17. Of course you aren't.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 06:49 PM
Jun 2016

You're also not interested in democracy, since you want Sanders to be handed the nomination.

Response to Lord Magus (Reply #17)

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
15. Stop with the trump shit.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 06:46 PM
Jun 2016

If Clinton were a better candidate it wouldn't even be an issue...

If she is the nominee and looses to that fuckwad, it is on her and the DNC, DLC, Third-wayers, corporatists, et al...

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
20. Then the Democrats should nominate a better candidate if they want to beat Trump.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 06:56 PM
Jun 2016

They were dead-set on Hillary from the start, even after they learned that people don't like her and don't want her to be President.

That's on Democrats.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
24. Vile yes. I won't argue with you there.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:09 PM
Jun 2016

But if Clinton is the dem nominee, do not blame any possible loss on Bernie Sanders.

jamese777

(546 posts)
25. The Better Candidate...
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:14 PM
Jun 2016

is the person who gets the most votes.

Democratic Primaries popular vote as of June 6th
Hillary Clinton: 13,297,176 (55.4%)
Bernie Sanders: 10,247,986 (42.7%)

Clinton over Sanders: 2,999,190

Hillary Clinton: 1,811 pledged delegates
Bernie Sanders: 1,526 pledged delegates

Hillary Clinton: 548 Superdelegates
Bernie Sanders: 46 Superdelegates

Hillary Clinton: 2,359 total delegates
Bernie Sanders: 1,572 total delegates

Hillary Clinton: 29 contests won
Bernie Sanders: 21 contests won

Hillary Clinton needs 24 delegates.
Bernie Sanders needs 811 delegates.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
42. Noooo, that's not accurate.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:45 PM
Jun 2016

The person who gets the most votes is the person who gets the most votes, well....usually.

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
16. JFK needed Johnson's voters, and Clinton needs Sanders voters
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 06:48 PM
Jun 2016

Like said up above, Sanders has done far better against Clinton than Johnson did against
Kennedy, and the 1960 election was still close.

I'm willing to sacrifice purity in order to not have to say "President-elect Trump"

Are you?

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
12. The examples you gave were all going in the same direction.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 06:43 PM
Jun 2016

Progressive. This time both of our candidates are going in opposite directions. What you suggest would be like putting a donkey on each end of the cart and letting them start pulling. They either would not get anywhere or they would pull the cart in half.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
14. A 69 year old nominee from the northeast will not pick a 74 year old from the northeast.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 06:45 PM
Jun 2016

The V.P. must be able to assume the office if a health crisis besets the President. Your idea would be very irresponsible.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
21. "Bernie, that shit ain't gonna happen, and here's why".
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 06:58 PM
Jun 2016

That's what they said about freeing the slaves, suffrage, 40-hour work week, weekends, the Civil Rights Act, and a black president.

We've got to stop telling ourselves that things are impossible before even trying them.

 

MyNameGoesHere

(7,638 posts)
23. Even If Sanders were a Democrat it would be impossible
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:09 PM
Jun 2016

Being that he is a Democrat of convenience, I would say are you FUCKING kidding me?

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
30. It isn't a good idea to have a President and VP who are both their age
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:18 PM
Jun 2016

We need a younger VP.

I do hope she'll put Bernie on her cabinet or something. He has a real sense of vision and future.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
32. Nope. He would not respect the presidency, know his place, be supportive. In essence, we can't do
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:21 PM
Jun 2016

The job.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
35. If we want a Dem the White House in 2024
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:30 PM
Jun 2016

Then we need someone younger who can run in 2024 and serve until 2032.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
38. If Clinton chooses Warren, that takes care of a lot of Sanders supporters
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:34 PM
Jun 2016

right there. It's very unlikely that Sanders will get the VP nod, not after all the shade he has thrown at the Democratic Party.

enid602

(8,610 posts)
45. Hill
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 08:22 PM
Jun 2016

I think Pres Clinton should offer (and Sen Sanders should accept) a cabinet level post as ACA Czar. While we've been fiddling, Rome is burning. New challenges to ACA have arisen from the courts and the insurance companies. We need someone who is driven, feisty, unwielding, crusty and devoted to Universal Health Care. Ironically, Sanders can do more for health care as a cabinet level executive than he could ever thought of doing as Pres. Let him make our ACA more like Denmark's! Hill's attention will be diverted in a thousand different ways after inauguration; she needs a pit bull who can live, breath and concentrate on health care and health care only. What better way to preserve Obama's legacy, and get us to where we need to be with regard to Universal Health Care.

ps: We might even unite the party.

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