2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThere will be no unity without a ticket that has *both* Clinton AND Sanders on it
In either order.
If Clinton gets the presidential nod, she'll need Sanders to campaign for her and if
she wins she'll need at least one person around not inclined to genuflect.
If it's Sanders, Hillary can be his devil's advocate and tell him when neccessary
"Bernie, that shit ain't gonna happen, and here's why".
If this sounds unlikely, consider John F. Kennedy's choice of Lyndon Johnson as VP
after Johnson tried to defeat Kennedy in the 1960 primaries:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_B._Johnson#Nomination
Or the vice-presidency of Henry A. Wallace, a guy who made FDR look like
Warren B. Harding:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_A._Wallace
http://www.britannica.com/biography/Henry-A-Wallace
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)Sanders has little credibility left
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)marriages were not meant to be. And no one knows that better than the two of them, I'm sure.
You know, psychologists say that ideological personality compatibility is a much stronger factor in matches than any other--income, education, background. Bernie has a rigid radical, intolerant streak that definitely grates on, and dis-impresses, people without it, while he apparently can't respect people without it, literally sees all liberal politicians as intrinsically corrupt.
Nooope--if they were two ordinary people their friends wouldn't even have bothered setting them up for a first date.
ecstatic
(32,679 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)eastwestdem
(1,220 posts)to her, shouldn't she go with someone younger? Maybe from a swing state?
Also, is there any indication that Sanders would even accept the VP spot?
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)eastwestdem
(1,220 posts)PJMcK
(22,025 posts)Then-Senator Kennedy knew that he'd need Senator Johnson's help in the southern states. In the OP's scenario, what regional strength does Senator Sanders bring to the Clinton campaign?
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Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)You're also not interested in democracy, since you want Sanders to be handed the nomination.
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basselope
(2,565 posts)friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)If Clinton were a better candidate it wouldn't even be an issue...
If she is the nominee and looses to that fuckwad, it is on her and the DNC, DLC, Third-wayers, corporatists, et al...
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)They were dead-set on Hillary from the start, even after they learned that people don't like her and don't want her to be President.
That's on Democrats.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)But if Clinton is the dem nominee, do not blame any possible loss on Bernie Sanders.
jamese777
(546 posts)is the person who gets the most votes.
Democratic Primaries popular vote as of June 6th
Hillary Clinton: 13,297,176 (55.4%)
Bernie Sanders: 10,247,986 (42.7%)
Clinton over Sanders: 2,999,190
Hillary Clinton: 1,811 pledged delegates
Bernie Sanders: 1,526 pledged delegates
Hillary Clinton: 548 Superdelegates
Bernie Sanders: 46 Superdelegates
Hillary Clinton: 2,359 total delegates
Bernie Sanders: 1,572 total delegates
Hillary Clinton: 29 contests won
Bernie Sanders: 21 contests won
Hillary Clinton needs 24 delegates.
Bernie Sanders needs 811 delegates.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016
dana_b
(11,546 posts)The "better" candidate is not always the one who gets nominated/elected
pangaia
(24,324 posts)The person who gets the most votes is the person who gets the most votes, well....usually.
basselope
(2,565 posts)dana_b
(11,546 posts)It would not fly.
annavictorious
(934 posts)You don't get to spend six months vilifying someone and then ride her coattails to Blair House.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Like said up above, Sanders has done far better against Clinton than Johnson did against
Kennedy, and the 1960 election was still close.
I'm willing to sacrifice purity in order to not have to say "President-elect Trump"
Are you?
jwirr
(39,215 posts)Progressive. This time both of our candidates are going in opposite directions. What you suggest would be like putting a donkey on each end of the cart and letting them start pulling. They either would not get anywhere or they would pull the cart in half.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)The V.P. must be able to assume the office if a health crisis besets the President. Your idea would be very irresponsible.
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)It just registers an immediate "no thank you."
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)That's what they said about freeing the slaves, suffrage, 40-hour work week, weekends, the Civil Rights Act, and a black president.
We've got to stop telling ourselves that things are impossible before even trying them.
MFM008
(19,803 posts)we will see what he does after tomorrow.
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)Being that he is a Democrat of convenience, I would say are you FUCKING kidding me?
Recursion
(56,582 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)doc03
(35,324 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)We need a younger VP.
I do hope she'll put Bernie on her cabinet or something. He has a real sense of vision and future.
qdouble
(891 posts)No thanks.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)The job.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)lib87
(535 posts)HC doesn't need BS when she wins & BS wouldn't need HC if he won.
rock
(13,218 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)Then we need someone younger who can run in 2024 and serve until 2032.
TeamPooka
(24,218 posts)justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)right there. It's very unlikely that Sanders will get the VP nod, not after all the shade he has thrown at the Democratic Party.
enid602
(8,610 posts)I think Pres Clinton should offer (and Sen Sanders should accept) a cabinet level post as ACA Czar. While we've been fiddling, Rome is burning. New challenges to ACA have arisen from the courts and the insurance companies. We need someone who is driven, feisty, unwielding, crusty and devoted to Universal Health Care. Ironically, Sanders can do more for health care as a cabinet level executive than he could ever thought of doing as Pres. Let him make our ACA more like Denmark's! Hill's attention will be diverted in a thousand different ways after inauguration; she needs a pit bull who can live, breath and concentrate on health care and health care only. What better way to preserve Obama's legacy, and get us to where we need to be with regard to Universal Health Care.
ps: We might even unite the party.