Hillary deliberately timed this announcement to suppress voter turnout in California.

[Cheese Sandwich]

The Clinton campaign coordinated with their newly declared delegates to make their announcement to the press at the exact best moment to stomp on turnout for the California primary.

Most of Hillary's voters in California have already voted by mail

Bernie's voters are the last minute people who may or may not show up depending on how they feel.

Recent polling has shown that Hillary wins California easily in a low turnout situation, but Bernie ties or even wins in a very high turnout situation. Internal campaign polling may have shown even more of the same.

The timing of this announcement was clearly designed to suppress turnout, which is horrible for many different reasons.

[Agschmid]

1. Nope.

If anything it will suppress her vote not his.

[Cheese Sandwich]

4. A large majority of Hillary's voters have already voted.

[Agschmid]

7. If there is anything I know about Bernie supporters all this will do is drive turnout.

[Cheese Sandwich]

36. This will suppress turnout. That's also the intended consequence.

[Agschmid]

41. I absolutely disagree.

Bernie supporters will be more determined than ever to vote tomorrow, if anyone's turnout it hurts it is hers.

[Cheese Sandwich]

44. That makes no sense. Most of Hillary's people have already voted.

[gopiscrap]

80. I agree with you

[Tortmaster]

196. You are no longer allowed to use the phrases "very clear" and "intended consequences."

The ban starts immediately.

[Cheese Sandwich]

197. challenge accepted

[okieinpain]

224. Why isn't he winning. I mean he is the

Answer after all.

[passiveporcupine]

56. Historically things like this alwasy depress turnout

Yeah, I get that you want to claim no harm no fowl...won't work...and the fowl was intentional...because you have to be really chicken to resort to ploys like this to win.

[Agschmid]

61. ...

Yes because clearly this is entirely her fault.

[still_one]

68. There are a lot of issues and other seats on the California ballot, some in more counties then

others. Those of us who live in California WILL come out to vote.

are you from California?

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

145. I live in California and I'll vote

but Clinton could have waited until tomorrow night to crow about her victory.

[still_one]

181. You realize it was AP, not the Hillary campaign. The ones "crowing" are here on DU, and probably

Other forums by some who support Hillary

For a lot of reasons I wish AP would have waited until after the last big primary tomorrow before tabulating counts

Besides the issues, people should vote to show support for their candidate

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

217. I now know that it was the AP that released the information.

When I went to J-School, in Journalism 101 they emphasized the importance of "getting the jump" on other news sources, no matter the consequences.

I thought it was dumb then and still think it's dumb 40+ years later. AP & NBC could have waited until our polls closed here in California.

I'll still vote -- there are other issues I care about -- but it feels like my sister telling me I was getting a model train for Christmas two days before the event.

Spoilers!

[still_one]

218. I hear you.

[displacedtexan]

225. I agree completely. I hate that this happened.

We have a zillion important propositions and downticket races that could be adversely affected by this AP/NBC shark jumping. It also lets the air out of that moment in time when someone crosses that finish line after a long, hard-fought race.

[amborin]

173. you're so wrong

i spoke to voters tonight who were asking what is the point of voting

FYI: many Bernie supporters WORK HARD, some have two jobs, and voting is a difficult chore.

They have to find time before or after work to stand on a long line.

Go ahead, blame them for not voting by mail. That would show total lack of empathy.

This evil tactic will absolutely suppress voter turnout of Bernie Sanders supporters

[Beacool]

176. Well, that could be said of Hillary supporters too.

My state hasn't voted yet.

[randome]

2. Delusional. The AP made the call. The other media outlets followed.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[Cheese Sandwich]

13. The Clinton campaign and their new delegates obviously had to place a call to the AP to let them

know they were coming on board. They timed that phone call for impact.

[randome]

17. "Obviously".

I can't wrap my head around this kind of delusional thinking. All the reporters and all the media outlets are now working in tandem with the Clinton campaign. smh.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[apcalc]

34. That's too much

The media constantly works against her...

[AntiBank]

192. delusional, the MSM has consistently fucked Sanders from the start, from every angle

most often omission.

[kayakjohnny]

35. Well, kind of....

Yes.

Where have you been?

[AgingAmerican]

94. Just more desperate shenanigans from her flagging campaign

The sleaziest, dirtiest campaign in US history. And we are still in the primary stage...

[NanceGreggs]

108. Almost 300 delegates and millions of votes ahead ...

... of Bernie is a "flagging campaign"?

[AgingAmerican]

111. Apparently they can't handle their internals in California

Hence their sleeze in Puerto Rico, and now this.

Yes, flagging, her campaign has been steadily LOSING support for a solid year now. Now with the cheating turned up to 11, the exodus from her side will turn into a flood.

[NanceGreggs]

120. Oh, yeah ...

... she's been "losing" all the way the nomination.

[cui bono]

179. Trajectory.

[larkrake]

121. dems are only 27% of voters

[NanceGreggs]

123. And the Dems have chosen their candidate.

Whether you like it or not is of no consequence whatsoever.

[TheFarS1de]

122. uh huh.

[merrily]

220. I've never seen a single clip of Carlin in which he appeared stupid.

What a loss. We could use him now.

[apcalc]

45. No, not exactly

The media is constantly monitoring superdelegates. AP must have followed up on CNN John King's announcement yesterday that there were 40 more supers waiting to endorse her...

[Cheese Sandwich]

60. delegates choose when to return these phone calls to the press.

The timing was clearly coordinated .

[msanthrope]

91. Yes....but not with the campaign. It's kinda funny you're missing the bigger story here. nt

[Cheese Sandwich]

96. Uh no, superdelegates absolutely do coordinate their endorsements with the campaigns.

Not just Hillary. Bernie's handful of endorsers obviously coordinated the timing of their announcements with him as well. In his case it's more obvious because there are just 40 or 50, not 400, but it's no less true with Hillary.

[msanthrope]

98. No....you are missing the point. These aren't public endorsements. These are private knives, from

Bernie's colleagues. This is the SDs, quietly, privately, avoiding Internet harassment sticking the knife in his back.

Because no one wanted six more weeks of this shit.

[Cheese Sandwich]

101. To avoid primary challenges and being flamed on social media?

Yeah I could see that could be part of it.

But do we really know it was people from Congress? It could have been any of the other ones.

But still it's an obvious political reality that these superdelegate endorsements are coordinated with the campaigns.

[msanthrope]

106. SDs just bit the bullet. Go after them, you might

Go to prison for harassing a congressperson... They just bit the bullet and saved the delegates 6 weeks of harassment. More than that... They just paid Sanders back.

[stevil]

112. Boom

You nailed it.

[still_one]

69. Oh for gosh sakes, you know how pathetic that sounds.

[Cheese Sandwich]

73. I don't see how anybody could possibly not see that. What are you missing?

[still_one]

79. I live in California. California does NOT vote on a single issue. There are a lot of issues, and

other offices on the ballot.

There will be a large turn-out in California, sorry if that messes up your talking point

[zappaman]

114. Yup.

I would have preferred they waited.
But I'll be voting tomorrow.

[still_one]

132. I voted by mail, but anyone who was going to vote this morning, will still be voting tomorrow.

Thanks

[zappaman]

139. I like to do it in person.

It's literally around the corner and rarely a line!

[still_one]

184. I understand, a lot of folks prefer the real time action of voting

[Cheese Sandwich]

239. who said they do

I said announcing a winner the night before would suppress turnout

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

90. Yup, more dirty tricks to tilt nomimation to Hillary... is anyone surprised by this?

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[creeksneakers2]

151. Its not a dirty trick

The AP has been surveying delegates since the election began. This news came from an AP survey. Its not from Hillary and its not a dirty trick.

If Hillary would have timed this she would have wanted it to come out on Tuesday to minimize news of a possible Sanders win in CA.

Sanders supporters here think everything that doesn't go their way is because of a conspiracy.

[randome]

205. Yeah, and you know something? Those calls weren't all made in the last hour.

They trickled in over days, maybe weeks, and it's delusional thinking to state with no authority that all 1483 (or whatever the number is) called in tonight.

Delusional.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[Jitter65]

3. Yeah she did it so she could suppress her own voter turnout. nt

[Cheese Sandwich]

15. Polls have shown Hillary wins California easily in a low turnout situation.

It was Bernie hoping for high turnout.

[Duval]

83. Correct. nt

[stopbush]

182. Except for the fact that Hillary wins when turnout is high.

Funny that Sanders continues to say high turnout favors him. It hasn't during this campaign. In fact, Sanders has done best when the turnout is low, like in the caucuses.

Turnout was high in PR yesterday and Hillary won in a landslide. There are many other examples.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/apr/19/bernie-s/sanders-largely-base-saying-we-win-when-voter-turn/

[Cheese Sandwich]

183. Except for the fact that I posted a link to poll in the OP that shows that Bernie would be

expected to do much better if turnout is high in California.

He was actually winning but within the margin of error in a high turnout scenario.

[stopbush]

185. But it isn't true.

[Cheese Sandwich]

187. Did you read it ?

[stopbush]

188. Yeah, I did, and I didn't see the evidence to back up your claims.

Can you provide the page number and question number in the results that supports your claim?

Thank you.

[Cheese Sandwich]

189. you can try reading this summary

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-latimes-presidential-primary-poll-20160602-snap-story.html

[stopbush]

193. Well, the summary you linked to had nothing to do with the link you

provided in your OP, did it? Both summaries you've provided weren't available at the link in your OP.

But beyond that, these summaries are interpretations of the data contained in the survey. They are characterizations of the data by the person writing the articles. I happen to disagree with their interpretations of the data. The LAT article you link to says this:

"Sanders’ chances of victory rest on big turnout of voters who typically don’t vote in primaries and who — in the case of the nonpartisans — will have to navigate complicated voter rules to request a Democratic ballot."

This from an article that appeared after the deadline had passed for indies erroneously registered in the right-wing American Independent Party to switch their registration to NPP so they could vote in the D primary. Over 85% of voters in this situation didn't bother to switch their registration.

So, even using the characterization of the data as presented in the LAT, they did NOT say that Sanders benefits from high voter turnout per se, but that he would benefit if there was a high turnout among the segment of voters who don't usually vote in primaries. That's a very specific segment of the electorate that Sanders would need to draw on to win, and I imagine it could be easily offset if there was a high turnout among the demos that heavily favor Hillary in the state, such as women, Latinos and rank-n-file Ds like me, who very much like what "establishment Ds" are dong in our state these days.

[Cheese Sandwich]

194. I linked to the poll in the OP and now I've also provided you with two news articles discussing the

poll results.

I'll check the links to make sure they are working correctly but if they are I'm sorry I won't be able to assist further on this issue.

[stopbush]

216. Yes you did. But the poll you linked to in your OP

does not support your claim that Sanders does better with high voter turnout. And the articles you reference really don't make that claim either.

You've basically provided links that disprove your premise.

[Cheese Sandwich]

190. Here's another summary

Bernie Sanders has tapped into a wellspring of support in the Democratic primary over the last several weeks and he’s closing with a rush,” said Dan Schnur, director of USC’s Jesse M. Unruh Institute of Politics, which partnered with the L.A. Times to conduct the poll.

"If Clinton manages to hold him off and win the primary, it would be as a result of a low turnout that tilts the electorate in her direction."

Sanders has barnstormed California in recent weeks, hoping to grab a large share of the state's 475 pledged delegates up for grabs. However, if primary results are as close as recent polls indicate, Sanders and Clinton would split the 475 delegates evenly, which wouldn't give the Vermont senator much of a boost in his search for the nomination.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/bernie-sanders-leads-hillary-clinton-new-poll-california

[LaydeeBug]

5. wrong *again*

it is really shitty of them (the AP) to do this to her

[DURHAM D]

6. WRONG

[bravenak]

8. This is muy delicioso

[Blaukraut]

9. Jeez...Not everything that happens in this primary is Hillary's nefarious doing

This AP call doesn't help her one bit in tomorrow's vote. On the contrary.

[book_worm]

10. Why? New Jersey was going to put her over the top anyway

well before the polls in California close.

[Skink]

11. Well yeah cause nobody now will remember that embarrassing loss

[KingFlorez]

12. AP called it

And Clinton cannot force superdelegates to not declare. She didn't want them to do it until after tomorrow, but it looks like some of them went against what she wanted.

[Cheese Sandwich]

20. The Clinton campaign coorinated with their delegates on the timing of their phone calls to the AP

[anigbrowl]

26. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof

I find it sad that you don't even attempt to offer reasons for believing this to be true; it seems you are just straight making things up to fit your feelings. This isn't exactly a winning tactic for you.

[Cheese Sandwich]

99. Superdelegates coordinate their endorsement announcements with the campaigns.

That's just an obvious political reality. If you need proof of that I can't help you.

[anigbrowl]

103. Often they do, but this is hardly a law of nature as you seem to imagine

And if they did so in this case, they were perfectly within their rights to do so.

[Cheese Sandwich]

105. It's not a law of nature but it's a political reality.

Especially if it was a large group of them doing it all at the same time.

[anigbrowl]

113. Sez you

Rules of thumb are a good guide to what you can expect, but they're not universal and what you have here is a rule of thumb. Superdelegates are also human beings and I suspect some of them are not above cultivating a relationship with a reporter by giving them a little scoop when it will no longer have any serious impact on the outcome. IT's not like they need to save their endorsement for later in case she needs a final push.

[Cheese Sandwich]

119. You think 20+ delegates all called the AP on the same day, the night before the

California primary, by coincidence?

[MFM008]

186. Ill explain this again

The guy who runs the election desk for NBC was on Larry O tonight and said they (and the AP) have been calling all the undeclared super delegates frequently to get them to commit. He also said it didn't matter what the candidates want, this is the way its done and has been done for 32 years. Now lets tone down the , if this situation was reversed and they had called it for Sanders you Berners would be elated.

[KingFlorez]

31. The AP made the telephone calls

From what is being said, the AP did their own surveying of unpledged superdelegates and made the call based on that. It's not a matter of superdelegates just calling up AP and declaring their intention.

[RichGirl]

39. Think whatever you want...

My question is...when are Bernie people going to take him off the pedestal and stop treating him like he is the second coming of Christ!!!

[ecstatic]

14. 10 more days.....nt

[Matt_R]

212. Until people stop attacking Democrats like Senator Sanders.

Or allowed to attack Democrats here.

[Barack_America]

16. Every time I think maybe I can hold my nose and vote for her.

Nope, definitely out after this stunt.

[Tragl1]

33. This

She just lost me, uber pissed. I was going to hold my nose and vote for her but now, nope. I hope this shit backfires, all her supporters stay home even more now.

[Barack_America]

43. The good news is, we voters are apparently not needed.

The supers can carry her home in November too, as far as I'm concerned.

[apcalc]

48. She didn't dp thus. In fact, she did not want this.

[Tragl1]

58. Yeah, at this point her fault or not,

Her justified scandal or not, I'm sick of the bullshit. I'm done trying to justify voting for her. Will be a backlash against this move, justified or not. Trump is a fool, he's a moron and won't be shit in the general, he is unraveling right now in the media. So let the crowning begin, I'm done, either write in Bernie or maybe Jill Stien as enviormmental policy is my thing. Anyways, I'm going back to beer

[thucythucy]

85. "I'm done trying to justify voting for her."

Somehow I get the feeling that you haven't been "trying to justify voting for her" all that much. You've been making phone calls? Talking to your myriad friends about voting for Hillary? Sending letters to the editor?

"Will be a backlash against this move, justified or not."

Yeah, that's the ticket. Punish a candidate for some media story, whether or not she or anyone around her had anything to do with it. Serves her right for killing Vince Foster, smuggling cocaine into Arkansas, and spiking Ken Starr's warm milk with acid.

[Tragl1]

97. For me it's her stance on fracking

Oh wait maybe it's the TPP "gold standard"
Or "we came, he died" Kissinger lite attitude and policies
Or the board of Walmart
Or the Monsanto support
Or the speeches she refuses to release
....the list goes on and on, I'm just tired of trying to be on my side of these issues, tired of being a humanist and trying to justify a non humanist political candidate, that's all.

I'm sorry if that doesn't fit your narrative of right wing talking points, she's not near left enough for me...

[thucythucy]

104. I voted Bernie in my state's primary

and fracking and the Iraq vote were the deciding factors.

But it seems to me you're being disingenuous saying this is "the last straw" or whatever when it's clear you never intended to vote for her anyway. Disingenuous to the point of being dishonest. Your post right here simply proves it.

It's the endless and mindless showboating that gets to me. "Now I'm REALLY not gonna vote for her." Yeah. Right. That and your statement that, whether or not it's justified, you'd just as soon enjoy the backlash, and facts be damned.

"Your honor, we don't know if the defendant is guilty or not, but let's fry her ass anyway."

[Tragl1]

115. Yeah...

Because conceptually I had worked up to supporting her versus Trump in my head, I really did. Then this happened, I'm sorry at some point, everyone reaches a limit. I'm not saying I won't be brought back to vote for her. But seriously as the guardian put it "a burst of last minute superdelegate support?" Really? The night before a huge primary, one in which Bernie has a shot of taking California? Come on, even the most die hard Hillary fans have to kind of shake their head at that? Don't you think it smells a little? Candidates aside, at best it's shoddy journalism and at worst outright voter suppression, by media manipulation. For me climate change is my issue, she beats Trump on that even exporting fracking technology while in office, I can't begin to tell you how much that pisses me off. BUT, she is better than Trump, so that was my justification. But this burnt me out, I can't say where I will be in Novemeber just how I am now.

[thucythucy]

125. Well, I agree about the AP story.

I personally doubt the Clinton campaign had anything to do with this, because if anything it suppresses their turnout, not Bernie's.

But I hear what you're saying. The media in this country are incorrigible. The whole point is "get it out first" and "lead with what sells." Even the fucking weather is sensationalized. I can't tune into a local station to hear a weather report now, I have to tune into "First Warning!!!"

Fracking for me is an even bigger issue than the Iraq vote. I mean, Bobby Kennedy voted for the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, and lived to regret it. So if Hillary cast that vote out of political expediency, or cowardice, or even--who knows?--actually believe that WMD bullshit, she's seen the error and I can (just about) forgive her.

But fracking is, I think, a threat to the entire planet, and last I heard (and I could be wrong) Hillary hasn't changed her position on that. Either way, it's an issue we can't allow to go away.

American politics can drive one to eat detergent. I'll be glad when this primary is over.

Best wishes.

[Tragl1]

131. Best wishes to you to Thucy

I get what your saying also. About it being now, how it looks or reads from your perspective. I respect my words are abrasive and wither or not it is her fault, the circumstance, like you said, the politics of it. That's what has me currently on the reactionary side of "now I won't."

Anyways I'm enjoying my beer. Regardless of politics think we all need to do that right now.

[creeksneakers2]

152. Your last straw

is something that didn't even happen. Not long ago, Trump was declared the GOP nominee based on surveys of delegates. That's how it works. There is no plot.

[larkrake]

124. oh but she did

[AgingAmerican]

95. The last straw for me was their "Sanders controls voting stations in Puerto Rico" lie

In which they attempted to taint the Hispanic vote in California.

That was the last straw for me.

[TeacherB87]

54. Please explain to me how this is a Clinton "stunt"

Things are really starting to get loopy around here.

None of you have any evidence that her campaign had anything to do with this, and the conspiratorial thinking shows.

[The empressof all]

63. It's gonna really be hard to ignore the stink...

Just sayin....

[dchill]

18. STOP THE VOTE!

[Waiting For Everyman]

19. Her big thumb has been on the scale every step of the way.

Cheating isn't winning.

[Cheese Sandwich]

29. This will go down in history as one of the greatest media and election manipulations of all time.

The Clinton machine is very very good at it.

[Tarc]

50. 2004 and 2008

Pledged delegates + those superdelegates who have publicly endorsed > 2,384. It's just math, man. Relax.

[senz]

135. It is for her.

[anigbrowl]

21. This isn't cheese, it's a slice of bitter lemon. Waiter!!

[ucrdem]

22. doubt it, and yeah she's going to win mail-ins but they take a while to count

so we might be in tie-ville for a few days

[icecreamfan]

23. That's exactly right. Our democracy has been sold to the plutocrats

Enjoy it while it lasts plutocrats. Millennials and Gen X won't fall for another corporatist warmonger like Clinton.

[upaloopa]

38. They are smarter than you give them credit for.

[RandySF]

24. Uh huh

[Brickbat]

25. .

[MFM008]

27. It wouldn't stop me

From voting. Nor should it stop any one else.

[seabeyond]

47. It shouldn't. Same scenario whether the let the air out of Clintons celebration or not. Nt

[Setsuna1972]

28. Blame AP

They made the announcement , not Hillary !

[reddread]

53. why?

why did they need to place calls to super delegates?

[creeksneakers2]

154. The AP has been surveying super delegates for the entire election.

How do you think they've kept count all this time?

[Setsuna1972]

246. Honestly I don't know why they did it on Monday

It would have been a better fit had they waited for the NJ primary last night and THEN announce "Hillary Won" . Also, the Superdelegates themselves told AP, perhaps they wanted to send a message to Bernie and say ,"it's over, you won't be able to change our choice".

[apcalc]

30. I think it will depress her turnout

Hope I'm wrong

[upaloopa]

32. always ready with a new conspiricy.

[Gomez163]

37. Nope oh 17 hides

[Android3.14]

201. Or 13 hides, for those understand the concept of hypocrisy

[RufusTFirefly]

40. Absolutely. Republicans and Hillary do well with low turnout

How democratic!

It also may explain what happened in Puerto Rico

Did the Democratic Party Commit Election Fraud in Puerto Rico?

Move along, folks. Nothing to see here.

[justiceischeap]

42. Yep, cause who wants more delegates in their column

when you can suppress voter turnout in ALL of the states there are primaries in? I mean, this couldn't effect voter turnout for her in NJ, SD, ND, MT, NM & CA, it will only effect Sanders, never ever Hillary Clinton.

[seabeyond]

46. Buulshit and just more irresponsible false accusations.

[rjsquirrel]

49. So now Hillary controls the AP? Lol you people eom

[Cheese Sandwich]

52. She coordinates with her (super)delegates on the timing of their announcements

[rjsquirrel]

59. Oh sure she did eom

[zappaman]

118. You have proof of this?

Yeah, I thought not.

[Fla Dem]

51. Oh for cheese sake. Get a life. HRC didn't want this announced tonight

any more tha BS did. Why would she want her vote suppressed?

[reddread]

57. there is something worse than Fat Free Foods

A few years of having Hillary covered for by this level of analysis?

come on global warming.

[RufusTFirefly]

65. Yeah, she probably told AP "Cut it out!" n/t

[still_one]

71. exactly. Also, the OP like this is insulting to Californian's like me. We have other issues and

offices on the ballot to vote on then just the Presidential primary race.

Maybe the OP is a single-issue voter, but that doesn't mean people in California are

[Marrah_G]

172. Someone did

[Fla Dem]

213. Yes, the press. AP had to have the scoop, so they could claim they called it first.

They were actively surveying super delegates to see where they stood.

[Justitia]

55. Bullshit

[Doctor Jack]

62. There There

Its all going to be ok

[Cheese Sandwich]

64. LOL

that's funny

[laserhaas]

66. Concur

[still_one]

67. That is blatantly false. First there are a lot of other races and issues on the California ballot,

then just the Presidential Primary, and THOSE OF US IN CALIFORNIA will be out to vote

Second, whether there is a low turnout or a high turnout, most of the California polls have it as very close, with Hillary having a slight advantage. THERE IS NO BLOWOUT election in California for either candidate according to the polls.

For Democrats who were registered since the last election, they are overwhelming for Hillary according to the polls.

The wild card is those registered as NPP, and that is why the polls are close.

California will be within a 10 point spread

It must be really sad to believe everything is a conspiracy

California has a LOT OF HILLARY SUPPORTERS, and it appears a lot of the newly registered voters in California are Sanders supporters.

and the polls are indicating it appears to be a wash

[Cheese Sandwich]

75. I posted a link to that poll and it says exactly what I indicated

[still_one]

86. believe whatever you want. I am from California, and Californians are going to vote. Your belief

that the Clinton camp timed this with AP is all wet. The Field poll is one of the most accurate polls in the state, and it makes it very clear that it is close.

As to the USC determination of who they determine is likely for not likely voters, I question that assessment. Those who registered as NPP are a wild card, and they cannot accurately determine if they are more likely or not to vote, since many of the NPPs are first time voters. So you can have that poll, and buy yourself a cup of coffee

[madaboutharry]

70. Just stop.

The Clinton campaign does not own the Associated Press and NBC. Not everything is a conspiracy to sabotage Sanders.

[SFnomad]

72. Doesn't this belong in the Conspiracy Theory Group?

[LoverOfLiberty]

74. I don't understand

why, with ample evidence to the contrary, you chose to blame Hillary for this.

[HooptieWagon]

76. Her supporters don't need to vote.

[Fla Dem]

88. Of course they do.

If for nothing else HRC wants as many primary wins, votes and delegates as she can get. It puts her in an even stronger position going into the convention.

Besides her campaign had plans for a celebratory event tomorrow night AFTER the NJ primary when she would pick up the necessary delegates to be the presumptive nominee. This was a premature announcement by the AP.

[HooptieWagon]

92. Didn't you hear? She's locked up the nomination,

...according to The media who decides who the candidates are. No need for Hillary supporters to show up...it's all over.

[gopiscrap]

77. that's what I just said also

[RandySF]

78. .

[Beacool]

177. LOL!!!!!

I'm going to have to steal that. I could probably use it around here all day long.

[Fresh_Start]

81. only someone short sighted wouldn't vote because of this announcement

there are primaries for the US Senate, the US House of Representatives, the state representatives, and propositions....along with local offices

[Cheese Sandwich]

84. I can't judge people so harshly. A lot of people don't follow politics but they might be smart in

other areas.

[Fresh_Start]

87. it makes no sense to care about the presidency and not care about the US Congress

if you want to make changes in this country

[Fresh_Start]

89. I softened the language...nt

nt

[Jester Messiah]

82. More sleaze in a contest already rife with it.

Honestly, are you surprised?

[AgingAmerican]

93. Yeah, they tried to taint the Hispanic vote by claiming Sanders controlled the election in PR

And when that lie fell apart, they decided to do this. Hillary fears California.

[Renew Deal]

100. You are a talented fiction writer

[Cheese Sandwich]

102. It's not really fiction. It's a fairly obvious political reality.

1) Superdelegates do coordinate with the campaign on the timing their endorsement announcements to the press.

QED

That's it. It's a tautology.

Motive was established in the OP.

[BreakfastClub]

107. It's not true. the AP contacted the SD's on their own. Hillary rejected the

announcement on her site, by the way. You should delete this since what you wrote is a lie.

[Cheese Sandwich]

110. When you call a superdelegate it goes to voicemail or their secretary.

And they decide when to call you back.

It was clearly coordinated if 20+ of them all moved on exact same day, which happens to be the night before the California primary.

So people will hear about it on the news tomorrow morning when they are running late for work and have to decide about voting .

[anigbrowl]

138. No, it's just your claim

You're acting like it's a universal law when it isn't. Just because you think something is obviously true doesn't make it so. I feel like I'm arguing with some fundamentalist religious type that can't conceive of any ideas besides those they already believe.

[Cheese Sandwich]

141. OK

[stevil]

109. It could be horrible for Hillary too

And you presented no evidence of campaign coordination. Did you? If not.....

[Cheese Sandwich]

117. The majority of Hillary's votes have already been cast by mail.

If turnout is suppressed it hurts Sanders the most.

So you think 20+ superdelegates all called the AP back today by coincidence ?

[stevil]

128. Explain to me like I'm a Cheese Sandwich

Why would this not suppress turnout for Hillary as well?

[Cheese Sandwich]

130. Lol because her people have mostly already finished voting?

They voted by mail.

[stevil]

137. So mail vote is suspect? Most of them? Hardly.

Bye. One trick pony you are.

[Cheese Sandwich]

140. No they already voted by mail. The majority of California voters do vote by mail,

and especially so with Hillary's voters.

[senz]

142. High turnout has been shown to be advantageous to Bernie.

The Hill camp and their media supporters know that.

I wish you would not make fun of other posters' usernames.

[stevil]

144. So sorry.

Who had the high turnout? Who?

[Cheese Sandwich]

147. Bernie would have been helped by high turnout in California. That was clear in the polls.

Hillary is helped by lower turnout in California.

[stevil]

149. Ok

Maybe we can work together to have a Democratic candidate. Can we agree on that?

[stillwaiting]

207. This primary was unbelievable. It may not be possible for many to come together.

I wish more HRC supporters empathized with what happened this primary.

The fact that they have not, but instead have mocked, ridiculed, and denigrated Bernie AND his supporters so savagely will make unity very difficult. How could it not? How do most Bernie supporters unite behind a candidate and her supporters who have little to no respect for us (if not outright disdain or hatred)?

Has any nominee from the past ever treated their opponents supporters with such contempt and disdain?

[larkrake]

116. yes she did

Bernie is too close to spilling her milk. Wait til hes back in the Senate and blocks all her neo-con moves. He isnt going to let her bad decisions send this country into the toilet

[wisteria]

126. She had nothing to do with this call tonight.

[Cheese Sandwich]

161. I don't see how anyone who follows politics and media trends could possibly believe that.

[chillfactor]

127. oh good god....

Hillary had NOTHING to do with the announcement...give it a rest already!

[Agnosticsherbet]

129. Hillary Clinton is not the Associated Press.

And she doesn't decide their policy for when they release a story.

[Cheese Sandwich]

136. If they didn't announce it some other new agency would have.

The story was that 20+ superdelegates all moved at the same time to put Hillary "over the top".

Obviously coordinated. And on the night before the CA primary

[senz]

134. It's a dirty deed with no rationale. Why today?

Not surprising that the corporate media would want to throw the election to the corporate candidate.

If Hillary had an ounce of honor in her soul, she would deny this false rumor. Because neither candidate will be able to clinch the Democratic nomination from the remaining primaries. It isn't possible.

She knows it, Bernie knows it, everyone who understands how it works knows it, but Hill partisans in the media are aware that most voters don't know it.

So the whole idea is to fool the voters and lower the turnout.

There are so many reasons to not want Hillary Clinton in the White House. And now we have another.

[creeksneakers2]

163. Your other reasons

are probably as invalid as this one.

[senz]

166. Warmonger, poor judgment, recklessness, lying, quid pro quo deals as SOS,

flip-flopping on issues, dishonesty, gutter politics, lack of empathy, condescending attitude toward PoC, lack of conscience -- just a few off the top of my head.

[arely staircase]

208. Winner, presumptive nominee, next president

Tomato

TomAHto

[JudyM]

168. +1000. She just keeps smugly, arrogantly slathering on her amoral grease.

[nini]

143. Californians have a lot to vote on.

We're replacing senator Boxer, congress seats. Etc etc lots to get out for still.


I would assume regardless of who you are supporting for president you would still vote the entire ballot.

[JI7]

148. California has a Senate Primary election to replace Boxer and many other things to vote on

[Demsrule86]

150. That makes no sense

It will more likely suppress her voters.

[Cheese Sandwich]

156. Not really because the only state in question is California, but the majority of Hillary's

voters in California have already cast their ballots by mail.

[Demsrule86]

167. Well then why does it matter ...if voting has happened?

I doubt all the votes are cast by mail anyway.

[Cheese Sandwich]

170. The majority of California votes by mail. Hillary has a much bigger portion of her voters using mail

though. Bernie's voters would be more election day walk ins.

[itsrobert]

153. Good one. You topped yourself again

Bravo.

[Cheese Sandwich]

165. ..

[Raine1967]

155. At this point IDC. I want to make sure Trumo IS NEVER ALLOED IN THE WH.

Can we please agree on that?

[Raine1967]

157. Why does this matter?

Can't we just make sure Trump is never allowed to live in the white house?

Trump is the enemy. Trump must be defeated.

[Cheese Sandwich]

159. I'm still focused on fighting Hillary

[Raine1967]

160. Alright; I am moving on to fight Trump.

Many Dems will be doing the same thing... I never much liked fighting Dems, to be honest.

[lovemydog]

158. She also ordered Tropical Storm Colin

to hit the Florida Panhandle, the Cleveland Cavaliers to shoot poorly from the field, and the North Korean government to restart its nuclear facility at Yongbyon!

[Raine1967]

162. No.

She did not.

You can declare it forever, She did no such thing.

[HarmonyRockets]

164. It's a conspiracy man!

[eastwestdem]

169. So you hate Hillary enough that now you're making up things? Might want to see a specialist

this is not normal behavior.

[Marrah_G]

171. Someone did

I continue to lose faith in our system.

[Beacool]

174. Cheese, the air must be thin in the parallel world that you inhabit.

Always with the innuendos, assumptions and totally fabricated "facts".



Psst, a little real fact, it doesn't affect the end result whether Hillary or Sanders wins CA. CA would only give the winner bragging rights. She still will be the nominee, her pledged delegate advantage became insurmountable after the NY primary in April. Now carry on with your fantasy posts.

[Cheese Sandwich]

175. it would effect the result but there are other things at stake in California

[NanceGreggs]

178. Hey, who knew ...

... that the adherents of the Great Revolution - the people who were allegedly ready to march on D.C. and DEMAND their voices be heard - would fold like cheap suits if the MSM "called it" for Hillary?

I guess the Great Revolution wasn't so great after all.

[LibDemAlways]

180. I haven't seen a new California poll released in

the last couple of days. This tells me that Hillary is tanking here and she knows it. If she was ahead in CA, there would be big newspaper headlines like, "Hillary Poised for Big California Win." Instead, crickets. And so, on the eve of the election in the most populous state with close to 500 delegates at stake, the AP suddenly calls it for her. And Hilllary supporters on this site believe her campaign has nothing whatever to do with it, has no reason to want to suppress the California vote? Sorry, but that's bullshit.

I think it will backfire and Bernie supporters will be quite anxious tomorrow to send the Clinton campaign the message that California is Bernie country and we're not interested in playing their corrupt games or voting for their corporate owned candidate. Bernie will win California .

[Cheese Sandwich]

191. "If Clinton manages to hold him off and win the primary, it would be as a result of a low turnout"

“Bernie Sanders has tapped into a wellspring of support in the Democratic primary over the last several weeks and he’s closing with a rush,” said Dan Schnur, director of USC’s Jesse M. Unruh Institute of Politics, which partnered with the L.A. Times to conduct the poll.

"If Clinton manages to hold him off and win the primary, it would be as a result of a low turnout that tilts the electorate in her direction."

Sanders has barnstormed California in recent weeks, hoping to grab a large share of the state's 475 pledged delegates up for grabs. However, if primary results are as close as recent polls indicate, Sanders and Clinton would split the 475 delegates evenly, which wouldn't give the Vermont senator much of a boost in his search for the nomination.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/bernie-sanders-leads-hillary-clinton-new-poll-california

[MrWendel]

195. Uh huh...

[DrDan]

198. “For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion,

however satisfying and reassuring.”

Carl Sagan

[Cheese Sandwich]

244. nah I'm not feeeling that at all

[AzDar]

199. K & R

[pdsimdars]

200. If she spent half as much time on her message instead of her tactical game, she might win

but she can't clarify her message because only the 1% would buy into it. She is not for us and therefore can't really be clear on what she plans to do.

[Bad Dog]

202. Politicians politicking

is hardly news. Politics is a dirty game, it always has been.

[Cheese Sandwich]

238. If politics isn't news why do we have so much news about politics

[Bad Dog]

241. I didn't say politics wasn't news, just that typical politicking isn't.

In answer to your question, this is a political site and it attracts some quite anal obsessives. Lots of the political stuff, polls, who did what in a 50 year old photo, who said what back in the 60s and the voting intentions of some old git down the road aren't news but they get a lot of threads dedicated to them.

[Nonhlanhla]

203. She was not the one doing it

Many of us Clinton supporters are also unhappy about AP's timing. It could suppress voter turnout for both candidates and affect the results. It also takes away from Hillary's planned victory speech this evening.

Take your tinfoil off.

[arely staircase]

204. Timed winning? OK. LOL

[Doctor_J]

206. Yep. This is a perk of having the media on her side.

It's good to be queen

[NurseJackie]

209. Okay. Fareal? Gurl pleeze!

[LexVegas]

210. ...

[Tarc]

211. "..."depending on how they feel"

I was going to say something snarky, but sometimes the material just writes itself.

Btw, OP has a post hidden yesterday

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512134237

for saying pretty much the same thing, minus "the Latinos" slur.

[MaeScott]

215. Kicked

[onenote]

219. Calling this voter suppression is insulting to the real victims of voter suppression

The people who have faced violence and intimidation to prevent them from voting, who in the past faced poll taxes and other unconstitutional hurdles, and who today are being disenfranchised by ID requirements that are difficult for poor and elderly voters to meet.

No one is preventing a single Sanders voter from going to the polls. If they choose not to go it's entirely on them. The reality is that they have exactly the same reason to go today as they did yesterday. Sanders strategy was and still is to win as many contests by as large a margin today as possible thereby cutting into (but almost certainly not erasing) Clinton's pledged delegate lead. His strategy then involves taking the results from today along with GE polls to the SDs in an effort to persuade them to switch.

That strategy is unaffected by yesterday's announcement particularly since it was widely reported on Sunday and Monday that Clinton was so close to having a combined total of pledged delegates and SDs that it was inevitable that she would be proclaimed the presumptive nominee as soon as New Jersey (a state Sanders admitted he isn't going to win) was called.

So if Sanders voters stay home the only explanation is that they're low information voters who never understood what Sanders' game plan was or their fairweather supporters -- hardly the revolutionaries they've been depicted as.

[MohRokTah]

221. BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

[themaguffin]

222. That was sneaky of her to have contests that would put her over the top these past 6 months

[Freddie Stubbs]

223. So, releasing bad news about your opponent is now "voter suppression?"

[alcibiades_mystery]

230. Campaigning against Bernie is voter suppression by definition

[libodem]

226. I leave my radio on at night

On an AM station, so I'm privy to Faux Snooze, in the early hours.

All night, Hillary already won, California, she IS the nominee. The you don't need to go vote was implied.

[WhiteTara]

227. Hillary is all powerful! She can control the weather

and news outlets and the actions of millions of people. She can bend all to her will and none can resist.

[alcibiades_mystery]

231. But she's also a Very Weak Candidate (tm)

The dumb little stories don't even make sense on their own terms.

[WhiteTara]

232. I know. That's why she has more votes

than Trump or Sanders.

[artyteacher]

228. everyone already knew she won ... eom

[felix_numinous]

229. So all these first time voters

will NOT be inspired to participate in democracy, I wonder what other means will they take instead to be heard?

I hope Bernie Sanders has inspired enough people to continue to change the world in peaceful ways, because this country IS ALREADY ANGRY and it is the eptiome of stupidity and inept leadership skills that has squandered their enthusiasm and support to replace it with resentment and mockery. Because this is what IS the result of thuggery and forcing an election.

[saidsimplesimon]

233. Recommended Cheese Sandwich

Politics is a contact sport, this is a political tactic everyone should have expected from a Republican. I will follow the Sanders' GOTV efforts. We need to phone bank, offer rides, and keep on keeping on. As Senator Sanders would say, an athlete finishes the race, win or lose.

[Triana]

234. It's not SOP (standard operating procedure) certainly, as some here claim.

This was dirty business meant to suppress votes in the states voting today - esp California.

[JEB]

235. Every dirty trick Pukes do Hillary can do better.

[AzDar]

247. ^This.

[mhatrw]

236. The corporate media is so incredibly desperate to subvert democracy. Why?

Ask yourself why.

[Cheese Sandwich]

237. They don't give a fuck about democracy.

If there were some big crisis and Trump declares a dictatorship all those MSNBC clowns will bow their heads.

[ChiciB1]

240. FWIW Whether The Clintons Are Behind This Or Not AND I

think I saw a post from CommonDreams about Clinton and an email BEFORE AP announced, what people are beginning to perceive is NOT going to help Hillary when it comes to ANY ATTEMPT by Hillary to unite the two factions of Democrats now!

Too much funny business has gone on for way too long and this has been THE LAST STRAW for millions of Bernie supporters. Even if we fall on our sward and HAVE to vote for her it WILL only be because of Trump. She can expect NO LOYALTY and most importantly she won't get grass roots help. I've been disgusted for quite some time and right now I feel even MORE BETRAYED than ever!

This is just so rotten and smells to high heaven! I know better than to post that I'm really feeling but it ain't good!

For those who blithely think this is like 2008, IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE!

[Lil Missy]

242. Here's an idea. Why don't you pull something outta your ass and post it as fact?

Oh, wait....

[Cheese Sandwich]

243. This just seems completely obvious to me. Not sure how you don't see it

Check through the thread I've posted lots of reasoning.

[George II]

245. What "announcement" are you talking about?