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AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 10:40 PM Jun 2016

AP attempts to commit VOTER SUPPRESSION in California

Apparently the bottom has dropped out in her internal polling. So they do this.

Their first reaction was to lie and claim that Sanders controls voting in Puerto Rico and was suppressing it. That lie fell apart, simply because nobody believed it.

They have now gone all the way through the bottom of the barrel and into the septic tank with this one.

She is running the sleaziest political campaign in US history.

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AP attempts to commit VOTER SUPPRESSION in California (Original Post) AgingAmerican Jun 2016 OP
It looks bad. Media want to be puppeteers, not journalists respectful of democracy. ancianita Jun 2016 #1
This votesparks Jun 2016 #2
The large majority of her votes in California have already been cast by mail in Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #5
So who does this announcement hurt? Your poster gives a big clue nt Sheepshank Jun 2016 #12
If Hillary Voters Don't Go To The Polls votesparks Jun 2016 #21
Otoh, the media has news and they are supposed to hold out? Sheepshank Jun 2016 #29
You're very humorous. A bit over the top but humorous none the less. Trust Buster Jun 2016 #3
Not the AP. The Clnton campaign coordinated the timing of this. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #4
The AP polled the superdelegates for months. But yea, it was all at Clinton's behest, naturally Blaukraut Jun 2016 #13
Yeah the AP has calls OUT to all the SDs but the SDs decide when to return the calls Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #17
This premature call hurts Clinton as much - if not more - than Sanders Blaukraut Jun 2016 #22
No it helps Clinton because it will suppress the vote in California. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #32
A loss in CA would mean as much to HRC as the loss in CA meant to Obama back in '08 Blaukraut Jun 2016 #37
It wouldn't cost her the nomination. Just embarrass her. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #39
And where do you get this information from? I predict no response to my question. randome Jun 2016 #36
Superdelegates use voicemail and assistants to screen their calls. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #40
You're not answering the question I asked: how do you know that the superdelegates called the AP? randome Jun 2016 #41
The AP called all the superdelegates and left messages. And the superdelegates make a choice about Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #42
DavidBrockVoters.com? reddread Jun 2016 #14
No. This announcement was not made without the explicit approval of Clinton JimDandy Jun 2016 #6
this Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #24
The AP has internal polling? MadBadger Jun 2016 #7
The Clinton campaign has internal polling AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #8
What does that have to do with the AP? MadBadger Jun 2016 #10
Somebody rigged something and shared said rigging with someone else who then rigged the election by Sparkly Jun 2016 #28
The Clinton camp was predicting victory today Renew Deal Jun 2016 #23
The revolution has been canceled. left-of-center2012 Jun 2016 #9
I was contemplating holding my nose LibDemAlways Jun 2016 #11
What "stunt"? Lord Magus Jun 2016 #16
THe media has been in collusion with her campaign for over a year AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #19
Bullshit. The facts just don't favor Bernie. -nt- Lord Magus Jun 2016 #20
Absolutely bang on TheFarS1de Jun 2016 #25
according to USA Today she did it by flipping what were Bernies SD's azurnoir Jun 2016 #30
"The media should've held back the truth. Americans weren't ready to hear it." Lord Magus Jun 2016 #15
Was the convention held ? TheFarS1de Jun 2016 #26
ROFL alcibiades_mystery Jun 2016 #18
Too many grapes for you today-they are souring your tummy. riversedge Jun 2016 #27
That seems to be the consensus. Why else would they do this tonight. jillan Jun 2016 #31
No,that only seems to be the consensus among those who don't want to accept the outcome -nt- Lord Magus Jun 2016 #33
Do you realize how ridiculous this post is? KingFlorez Jun 2016 #34
Try learning what voter suppression is. Reporting facts doesn't count. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #35
Ugh. panader0 Jun 2016 #38
The corporate media is so incredibly desperate to subvert democracy. Why? mhatrw Jun 2016 #43
Because Sanders threatens to kill the corporate goose that lays the golden eggs AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #44

votesparks

(1,288 posts)
21. If Hillary Voters Don't Go To The Polls
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 10:58 PM
Jun 2016

because the corporate media has called it for the corporate candidate, it's their own fault for not realizing they are being manipulated, right?

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
29. Otoh, the media has news and they are supposed to hold out?
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 11:01 PM
Jun 2016

Not sure about that either.

Perhaps SD should be on media blackout several days prior to any Primary election?

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
4. Not the AP. The Clnton campaign coordinated the timing of this.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 10:43 PM
Jun 2016

If the AP didn't report it, some other news agency would have.

Blaukraut

(5,693 posts)
22. This premature call hurts Clinton as much - if not more - than Sanders
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 10:58 PM
Jun 2016

judging by the internet explosion when the news hit. DU has completely gone off the rails, if that was even possible anymore, and so has facebook and most other social media sites. Not to mention that the most likely vote to be suppressed tomorrow will be the Clinton vote. So why would she have the AP jump the gun 24 hours before it needed to? Tomorrow's primary wouldn't have changed the ultimate end result anyway, and it wouldn't have looked like someone is trying to circumvent the process. How, precisely, is this helping Hillary?

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
32. No it helps Clinton because it will suppress the vote in California.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 11:02 PM
Jun 2016
Polls showed Clinton would win California easily if turnout was low, and Sanders could win with high turnout. The same poll shows Sanders winning the Latino voters.

They may have some internal polling that shows the same things. And they are expert enough to know how this will affect turnout.

A loss in California would embarrass Hillary, and she doesn't want to be embarrassed.

Blaukraut

(5,693 posts)
37. A loss in CA would mean as much to HRC as the loss in CA meant to Obama back in '08
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 11:05 PM
Jun 2016

Seriously. Hillary might not be a knight in shining armor, but she's not evil incarnate and responsible for all the perceived machinations in the press and/or the DNC.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
39. It wouldn't cost her the nomination. Just embarrass her.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 11:10 PM
Jun 2016

And lets not forget what Sanders represents either, his challenge to the dominant ideology and to the establishment. They don't want him to win California because the symbolism of that victory would make people feel empowered to challenge the system.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
36. And where do you get this information from? I predict no response to my question.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 11:05 PM
Jun 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
40. Superdelegates use voicemail and assistants to screen their calls.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 11:11 PM
Jun 2016

If you need evidence for that I can't help you.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
41. You're not answering the question I asked: how do you know that the superdelegates called the AP?
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 11:24 PM
Jun 2016

And not the other way around?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
42. The AP called all the superdelegates and left messages. And the superdelegates make a choice about
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 11:27 PM
Jun 2016

when to call back.

That should be completely obvious and I already explained it to you.

Superdelegates don't carry around a cell phone just waiting for the AP to ring up. They use voicemail, secretaries and assistants to screen their calls and return the calls when they feel like it.

If you need proof of this I can't help you. It's just common sense.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
6. No. This announcement was not made without the explicit approval of Clinton
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 10:46 PM
Jun 2016

It would have been political suicide for the superdelegates involved and the media to make such an announcement without her approval.

This was the media carrying water for Hillary Clinton.

Sparkly

(24,149 posts)
28. Somebody rigged something and shared said rigging with someone else who then rigged the election by
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 11:00 PM
Jun 2016

... by stating that she got more votes.

This has NEVER happened before!! Getting MORE VOTES? WHAT?!??

Renew Deal

(81,847 posts)
23. The Clinton camp was predicting victory today
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 10:59 PM
Jun 2016

And the Sanders camp was whispering that they end was near. So internal polling supported Hillary.

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
11. I was contemplating holding my nose
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 10:51 PM
Jun 2016

and voting for her in the fall. After this stunt, not a chance. Nov 8 is my birthday. I'll find something more enjoyable to do that day.

Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
16. What "stunt"?
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 10:54 PM
Jun 2016

The media isn't obligated to hold back information just because it might influence voting.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
19. THe media has been in collusion with her campaign for over a year
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 10:56 PM
Jun 2016

Because Corporate media AND corporate politicians both benefit from the corporate goose that lays the golden eggs.

Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
15. "The media should've held back the truth. Americans weren't ready to hear it."
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 10:53 PM
Jun 2016

That's basically what you're saying if you argue that they shouldn't have reported the up-to-date delegate counts.

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
34. Do you realize how ridiculous this post is?
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 11:04 PM
Jun 2016

You are accusing the AP of vote suppression and citing internal polling data that you have no source for. That is scary.

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