2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumTo those that say "we should give bernie nothing!"
Yes, primaries are ugly. History did nto erase a lot of the ugly and yes RACIST statements made in 2008 campaign. Yes, many voters who were targeted by those in 2008 stood up for Clinton in 2016, but that does not mean they were forgotten. People just agreed to give and take;people did not have to be friends, or even pretend they liked each other, they just did was was needed to shut the GOP down.
Yes,primaries are ugly. If Obama wanted to, he could have EASILY found another Secretary of State. He could have started with Kerry, or gotten another lady to be Secretary of State (and there are many who could have done that job well, Gillibrand for starters.) But he chose tor each out to Hillary.
The last thing you need to do before the elections is act like you do not need people. EVERYONE counts.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)everyone needs to walk away and feel they won (something)
Proud Public Servant
(2,097 posts)one of the Hillary Camp arguments has been that Hillary understands the reality of politics, including the need for compromise and diversity in views; Bernie supporters, on the other hand, do not, arguing instead for orthodoxy, purity, and inflexibility. I think Team Hillary right about this, even though I'm a Bernie supporter (for policy reasons). Reaching across the divide in victory is not only the smart (and classy) thing to do; it's also what Hillary has been saying her own type of politics is all about.
Robbins
(5,066 posts)Bernie is one through his years In congress that has compromised and know how to work without toally betreying.Clinton will sell
out any progressive ideas.she will be worse than obama.and remember all the things we are still paying for that Bill Clinton
signed into law passed by GOP congress.she will do same if she gets past trump.
what your talking about is sell out progressive ideas for what the GOP wants.they and clintons are all corporists.
Proud Public Servant
(2,097 posts)Bernie gets it. Some of his supporters seem not to.
Robbins
(5,066 posts)that is why we won't vote for clinton.we know what happened last time a clinton was in white house.
reality check the gop will control house in 2017 nomatter what.who knows about senate with the ailenating bernie supporters and clinton's high negatives.clintons never help dems win.
with bernie we would have had better people appointed to leadership postions not just corporists.and GOP would be forced to neograte with bernie.instead clinton will give away store to GOP if she wins.
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)rock
(13,218 posts)And saved us all! Just in case some one doesn't quite get it.
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)You would think the greens and indies would have learned their lesson with Bush. But know...same shit different year.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)...and not overturning the will of the voters, as though compromise is somehow indicative of weakness.
That's Trump-level stupid, IMO. Compromise is how we muster our strengths.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)each of the players who you robbed a crumpled Benjamin
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)I doubt you can. Which makes you as bad as me because I have no intention of being benevolent toward folks like you and I'm sure you don't care.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)brush
(53,765 posts)Time to face the music. Sanders should at least try to unify and get something to show for his efforts.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)sweetloukillbot
(11,008 posts)I'm sure there are news organizations who would jump at your evidence.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)by each and every metric.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)They are citizens with all the power of citizens, they deserve all the respect and consideration due to citizens, and their views must be considered.
Agree with all who agree with DonCoquixote.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)They are citizens with all the power of citizens, they deserve all the respect and consideration due to citizens, and their views must be considered.
Two way street.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)of parallel lanes. We mostly disagree on which to take to get us where we want to go faster and better.
It's the radical bernistas who so vehemently and destructively deny that we all really have pretty much the same goals. But they have to be themselves. Psychologists say it is characteristic of extremists to regard all who don't agree with them completely about everything as the enemy. As Barney Frank said about Sanders, in his mind there is no such thing as honest disagreement.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)but Bernie people seemed to want it both ways.
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)And he came close. He can have some convention goodies, but not if he is bashing the nominee and the party between now and the convention. He needs to concede and endorse. No more attacks on Hillary...no messy convention...not that .
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)if he goes down the road he was laying out and attempts to contest at the convention like a sore loser.
If he does that, he deserves nothing. In fact, if he does that, he deserves to have shit taken away.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)fuck him. But if he is ready to start campaigning for the ticket I think he should be brought into the administration if he wants to be.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)he will definitely have no committee assignments next year.
Or he could be gracious and be a major player in the Senate.
The choice is his to make.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)arely staircase
(12,482 posts)Party unity should mean inclusion. To quote LBJ "I'd rather have him on the inside pissing out than the outside pissing in."
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)back.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)mac56
(17,566 posts)Because pissing?
You are deplorable.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)is exactly what i had in mind. I think that is exactly why Obama gave the SOS to Clinton.
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)LoverOfLiberty
(1,438 posts)Both Hillary and Sanders are politicians. They will work together to win in November.
Bernie will not be snubbed.
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)for.
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)liberal from boston
(856 posts)I have read other comments that at a private meeting with Hillary & Obama she asked to be appointed SOS which would create a path for a future Presidential run. Also wanted Obama to help pay off her campaign debt.
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)The story is Obama offered Clinton her pick of the VP or the SOS...she chose the latter. And it was not for dropping out. It was for healing.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)A way to show the Hillary VOTERS that he did not forget them.