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DCBob

(24,689 posts)
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 08:50 AM Jun 2016

Andrea Mitchel: The A.P. is the "gold standard" when it comes to tallying the delegates.

On Monday night, NBC's Andrea Mitchell said on MSNBC that The A.P. is the "gold standard" when it comes to tallying the delegates.

Earlier, in an email message on Sunday, the A.P.'s U.S. Political editor David Scott, said the wire service chooses its words very carefully.

"A.P. uses the term 'presumptive nominee' when it becomes clear a candidate for president will be formally nominated at their party's summer convention," he said.

Ignoring the delegate totals — including the intents of super delegates — would mean the networks and other news outlets would be ignoring the most important facts of the entire Democratic primary process.

By using the word "presumptive" when talking about Clinton, and by including caveats about the inclusion of super delegates in her total, journalists are leaving the door wedged open, albeit slightly, for a change between Tuesday night and the convention in July.

http://pix11.com/2016/06/07/why-final-super-tuesday-matters-despite-hillary-clinton-being-declared-presumptive-nominee/

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The A.P. would never risk their credibility by altering their procedures to help or hinder a particular candidate. That would simply be absurd.
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Andrea Mitchel: The A.P. is the "gold standard" when it comes to tallying the delegates. (Original Post) DCBob Jun 2016 OP
No one is saying they're wrong. The outcome was obvious. The question is if they did the right thing Renew Deal Jun 2016 #1
I know I love it when the news networks hide information that they have Blue_Adept Jun 2016 #3
They hide exit polls Renew Deal Jun 2016 #13
Eh, I don't care much for exit polls anyway Blue_Adept Jun 2016 #21
So what would have been the "right thing" to do? DCBob Jun 2016 #4
Yes, sit on it. Renew Deal Jun 2016 #15
Are you kidding? Sit on it?? DCBob Jun 2016 #17
Oh lordy. If it came out the AP "sat on it" for Clinton's whims? joshcryer Jun 2016 #14
We've come this far. Just let people vote. Renew Deal Jun 2016 #16
From what I understand they found 19 supers. joshcryer Jun 2016 #18
Emotions are raw. Everyone needs to calm down a little. Trust Buster Jun 2016 #2
Yeah.. no doubt this is a bit of a shock to many. DCBob Jun 2016 #6
Regardless of what we think, they have invested time, money and passion into his campaign for Trust Buster Jun 2016 #8
Agreed. DCBob Jun 2016 #9
Indeed and the TPP is the Gold Standard of trade deals Fumesucker Jun 2016 #5
Huh, wha- what? ... Umm, errr, whut? NurseJackie Jun 2016 #7
You can't understand how the phrase "gold standard" and TPP have been linked with Hillary? Fumesucker Jun 2016 #10
I understand that you're trying too hard. NurseJackie Jun 2016 #11
I'm here for the gravedancing actually Fumesucker Jun 2016 #19
That sounds like a good plan to me. NurseJackie Jun 2016 #20
Forgot the snark tag. AP is a conservative leaning outfit MaeScott Jun 2016 #12

Blue_Adept

(6,399 posts)
3. I know I love it when the news networks hide information that they have
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 08:53 AM
Jun 2016

I wish they'd hold back even more in what they tell people.

Blue_Adept

(6,399 posts)
21. Eh, I don't care much for exit polls anyway
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 10:02 AM
Jun 2016

So that's no great shakes. We saw how poorly they were handled in NY for what was done there. I've been voting for nearly thirty years and have never been involved in exit polling. But I find polling in general to not be what it was decades ago in general as well.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
4. So what would have been the "right thing" to do?
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 08:54 AM
Jun 2016

Sit on vital information they already have? No news organization would do that.

Renew Deal

(81,855 posts)
15. Yes, sit on it.
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 09:42 AM
Jun 2016

It is not vital information. It's not a tornado warning or a gunman on the loose. They do it with exit polls, military action, and gossip. This is no different than the exit poll scenario.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
17. Are you kidding? Sit on it??
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 09:44 AM
Jun 2016

This is the biggest news event in years.. no way would they or any other news org sit on it.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
14. Oh lordy. If it came out the AP "sat on it" for Clinton's whims?
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 09:41 AM
Jun 2016

So she could "coast into the nomination without a controversy"?

Renew Deal

(81,855 posts)
16. We've come this far. Just let people vote.
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 09:43 AM
Jun 2016

I understand if she hit the number in April or May. Then it would be news. But less than 12 hours before polls open? It only hurts the Democratic Party and the country in general.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
18. From what I understand they found 19 supers.
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 09:47 AM
Jun 2016

They had to report that, even if it was just past the barrier for entry. You know they had the conversation. They may have even called back the last slew of people and did a double confirmation before they decided to report it. That all the news orgs then followed suite indicates that the last holdouts (Warren? Pelosi?) cracked.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
6. Yeah.. no doubt this is a bit of a shock to many.
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 09:08 AM
Jun 2016

But its the reality of the situation... they have been believing a "pipe dream" Bernie has been pushing for months. Its over.. its been over.. its just now that the numbers are clear.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
8. Regardless of what we think, they have invested time, money and passion into his campaign for
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 09:13 AM
Jun 2016

a whole year. We would want the time to unwind if we were in their shoes. Eight short years ago, we were in their shoes. We should respect the difficult situation for what it is.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
10. You can't understand how the phrase "gold standard" and TPP have been linked with Hillary?
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 09:37 AM
Jun 2016

You ever notice that the actual Gold Standard is universally mocked as being naive and foolish and yet the phrase is still the Gold Standard of phrases about good stuff?

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
19. I'm here for the gravedancing actually
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 09:49 AM
Jun 2016

I'll stick around for enough where I don't want to come back but hopefully not enough where I become someone I don't wish to be.

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