Why Hillary didn't want the AP to make the call last night.

[pnwmom]

The optimal time for her campaign would have been after NJ voting was completed at 5 o'clock Pacific Time -- when voting would still be ongoing in California.

NJ is going heavily for Hillary, and so there would be no wish to suppress any vote there.

Also, NJ would have given her the 19-23 delegates she still needed to reach the majority of all delegates (depending on the source). She wanted pledged delegates to put her over the top -- not super delegates.

And then if voting slowed in CA, it wouldn't have mattered. It might even have helped Hillary, since last minute voters would be more likely to be younger (read, Bernie) voters. (That's true in a typical election, anyway.)

So she really didn't benefit from getting the election called last night. There's little reason to think there was anything involved other than AP and Reuters and NBC all competing to see who could report the story first.

[Zynx]

1. Agreed. I don't think any of it really ultimately matters, but as an HRC supporter

I would have preferred that they wait until tonight.

[Skink]

2. Maybe she wouldn't have clinched in Jersey

So they manufactured this. But I agree it didn't help her cause.

[pnwmom]

7. NJ is a closed primary where she is ahead by 20-30 points.

And it has plenty of African American voters. She would have more than clinched the race in NJ.

[Garrett78]

3. Agreed. It was the media doing what the media does; trying to be first.

It takes a bit of the wind out of the celebration sails, and potentially weakens the post-clinching bump.

But the media is all about beating others to the punch.

[grossproffit]

4. I'm pissed they called it and I bet Clinton is too.

[auntpurl]

5. Me too and me too.

[eastwestdem]

28. I'm very upset! This will overshadow the historic component of her victory.

She will likely get less delegates than she would have otherwise.

[grossproffit]

39. Yep. I'm so mad. I'm still steaming over it.

[DCBob]

6. Totally agree with your take on this.

Hillary wanted it to happen tonight. Its now a bit anti-climatic and further pisses off the Berners.

[grasswire]

8. you forgot something

You forgot that this premature crowning has lit a bigger fire under Bernie or Bust and given impetus to rage against the machine that is HRC and the DNC. This will be the last establishment ruled election. The coalition of progressives and independents now being forged outnumbers the paltry and putrified Third Way.

We're coming for your establishment.

[pnwmom]

10. Your point is related to mine: she wanted the race to be called

as a result of the pledged delegates in NJ, not because of the super delegates who decided to endorse her.

This has angered Bernie supporters without bringing any real benefit to her campaign.

[grasswire]

11. Keep shoveling. nt

[Skink]

12. I wouldn't have wanted a whiff of voter fraud to factor in

They really should have waited till after today's vote.

[R B Garr]

13. "impetus to rage against the machine". lol, even imaginary things do that.

Lots of imaginary things.

[TwilightZone]

17. The AP can count to 2383. They did so, and reported the results.

Your anger is misplaced and disingenuous. You've been raging against Clinton and the DNC for months. This changed nothing.

Better luck next time.

[eastwestdem]

29. You are correct. From my vantage point in No. CA, the Sanders people are still getting out to vote.

I've receive two calls from the Sanders campaign this morning (although one was not very polite when I said that I had already voted for Hillary)...but they are certainly motivated. The Hillary supporters are much more ready to believe that the primary is over, and their vote is not necessary.

I predict that this AP thing will greatly benefit Sanders, both in CA and NJ (where Hillary should still win, but the margin will be less...so she will get less delegates than predicted).

[merrily]

9. LOL! nt

[R B Garr]

14. I agree. Now it just adds another layer of conspiracy to the already full plate of

CT's. The press just wanted to be first.

And we all know that Bernie wants those superdelegates. So the superdelegates are fine. He just doesn't want them to go with her. I'm so tired of this phoniness and his double standards.

[Gothmog]

15. The Clinton campaign was not responsible for the AP's call

It is clear that the Clinton campaign would have preferred that this call was delayed a day

[Nye Bevan]

16. Yep. I think she's just as pissed about it as Bernie (nt)

[texstad79]

18. The election is 5 months away

Nobody will remember this by the middle of next week.

[Tom Rinaldo]

19. Unless she was headed toward an embarrassing loss in California

That would be the exception to your otherwise sound case. Now she benefits from a full day positive news cycle without having the glow of being the first woman called the presumptive nominee stepped on mere hours later by coverage of a humiliating defeat. As things now stand though she will also escape the worst of that, even if she does lose California. She can simply say her voters chose to stay home after the nomination was called for her, having nothing left to prove, while Bernie's still turned out to cast a protest vote.

Not the best case way to be called the presumptive nominee, true, but far better than it might well have played out had AP not inserted itself into the process. If Hillary was afraid she might lose in California, than AP stepping in when it did was a godsend for her.

[Skink]

23. Big time loss in California coming up.

[JudyM]

37. She knew that was coming. This way if he still has a big win she can claim it's not valid.

Which has the dual significant benefits to her of (1) providing cover for a loss in CA as well as (2) implications for superdels' decisionmaking.

[progressoid]

20. Yeah, but in the long run it won't make much difference.

There are a few thousand more hurdles before November.

[ismnotwasm]

21. Yeah I agree.

Social media is a scambling to fix the damage--telling people to "get out and vote!"

Hillary has "won" --we've known this for a long time, there was no reason for AP to jump into the fray like this.

I don't get the CT, but then, I never do.

[herding cats]

22. I agree. Also, she had a victory rally planned in Brooklyn for tonight.

Originally it was assumed the media would call it after she wins in NJ. The plan was for her to then make her speech thanking her supporters, congratulating Bernie on a tough race, and of course eviscerating Trump.

The AP jumped the gun, and basically messed everything up.

[TheBlackAdder]

24. I live in NJ. We have party boss assholes who vote with Christie, finally having good challengers.

.


The AP's pre-ejac will probably affect these state & local challengers, keeping Christie's stranglehold on the state.

The AP should have waited 24 hours. It really does noting more than reinforce that media is tampering in politics.



It's not like they haven't done that since before Boss Tweed's time, but it's becoming similar now.

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[Surya Gayatri]

25. DON'T try explaining this Political Science *101 lesson to Bernsters.

THE AP CALL WAS A CONSPIRACY TO SUPPRESS VOTING FOR SANDERS.

And, don't tell them any different.

[d_legendary1]

30. Who was teaching that class? Joseph Goebbels?

Its an excellent way of getting people NOT to vote if a winner is called before ALL the ballots are cast. This will affect both Sanders and Clinton supporters who planned to vote today. Its irresponsible journalism, but then again HRC is ahead so why bother with journalistic integrity and fair elections, right?

[Surya Gayatri]

32. Hello? Did you read the OP? You are essentially agreeing with it and with me...

Hillary would have been better off if the AP had NOT made the call.

"So she really didn't benefit from getting the election called last night. There's little reason to think there was anything involved other than AP and Reuters and NBC all competing to see who could report the story first."

[d_legendary1]

35. You know damn well I wasn't replying to the OP

DON'T try explaining this Political Science *101 lesson to Bernsters.

THE AP CALL WAS A CONSPIRACY TO SUPPRESS VOTING FOR SANDERS.

And, don't tell them any different.

I was replying to this snyde remark, but please tell me what else I was talking about that I wasn't.

[Surya Gayatri]

36. I'm sure I am in no position to tell you what you were talking about.

Only you could possibly figure that out.

As for my reference to Political Science 101, it's the lesson included in those quotes and that conspiracy believers refuse to acknowledge.

[bigwillq]

26. That darn AP is in it for Bernie.

Bet Bernie paid them to do it.

This is Sarcasm.

[WhiteTara]

27. The media is not her friend

and it ultimately hurt her and helped Trump as it pushed his Sh*t off the front page.

[d_legendary1]

31. The media is the friend of those who will help further its agenda

The media has been known to take down people who oppose it (Howard Dean) and prop up people who help advance an agenda (Howard Dean).

[MFM008]

33. True. But.....

NBC election desk guy said that they were going to call it no matter what any of the candidates wanted so there it is.

[morningfog]

34. Pout. She won TOOO SOOON!!! Lol

[Orsino]

38. I think it'll be forgotten in a few weeks. n/t

[Stuckinthebush]

40. Meh

She'll be fine either way. As Nancy Pelosi said today when asked what happens if Clinton doesn't win California...

"Nothing"

She will be the presumptive nominee regardless. The noise will be there regardless. In a few days this will be forgotten as just a rough primary.

On to the GE!