Has Bernie Congratulated the Firsts Woman Candidate Nomination? No, Why?

[mitty14u2]

Has Bernie Congratulated the Firsts Woman Candidate Nomination?

No, Why? I know this is off topic or some dang thing wrong with my question. I never thought this website that I have been reading and posting on for 16 years has become so touchy or afraid of a second opinion that people have been censored for a position against Bernie Sanders and that are for the leader Hillary Clinton. Go ahead and remove my thoughts, par for the course.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. Because she isn't the nominee yet.

When/if that happens I'm sure he will congratulate her.

[Demsrule86]

24. If he waits for the convention where she is formally declacer the nominee

He might as well stay in Vermont. That is not how it is done. However, I think Bernie will do the right thing in the end...couple of days maybe.

[asuhornets]

68. Did you watch the news last night? nt

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

70. AP can't appoint the nominee.

And they especially can't do it by polling anonymous superdelegates who haven't voted yet. Will she be the nominee? Most likely. On July 25. She isn't yet.

[mysuzuki2]

2. Uh, because she hasn't been nominated yet ? ...

[geek tragedy]

3. she's going to call him tonight and I'm sure he'll congratulate her then nt

[KingFlorez]

4. Because he doesn't respect election results

Unless they are favorable to him.

[ciaobaby]

12. How about you respect election results

but that would mean you have to wait until every one has voted !

[KingFlorez]

15. Everyone gets to vote no matter what

But there are times when the outcome is pretty much locked in and nothing will change.

[Armstead]

26. Yeah they were locked in sometime around 2014

The rest has been a formality.

[wendylaroux]

29. yup

[warrprayer]

76. Yup.

[LanternWaste]

37. Math is often a merciless predictor of locks.

Math is often a merciless predictor of locks.

[JimDandy]

83. In 2008, Hillary only conceded after ever state voted and all primary votes had been counted.

Even after that, she wrote a letter to the superdelegates asking them to switch to her and was threatening to go to the convention to plead with Obama's pledged delegates to switch to her.

It took being offered the SOS position for her to concede (while it's against the law to do a quid pro quo like that, everyone knows that's what happened but neither party to the offer can ever admit it)

[ciaobaby]

5. In due time

If and when Hillary is actually elected, by an actual vote, at the convention, I am sure Bernie will congratulate.
Until then, this is just the corporate press pushing the result they want and trying to suppress the vote.

[LisaM]

6. In my opinion

he has done every thing he can to shred the joy that should be attached to this historic nomination. Unforgivable.

[ciaobaby]

13. The assumed "historic" nomination will not occur until the convention.

[tex-wyo-dem]

16. Okay, since Hill is a woman, you're saying she...

Deserves special treatment? Doesn't sound very feminist to me.

This is still a contested primary, and there will not be an official nominee until the first vote is cast at the convention in July. If you can't stand the heat and reality of politics, then...

[Demsrule86]

25. Bernie endorsed Obama right away

He is treating Hil differently, and honestly as a woman that is unforgivable.

[Armstead]

28. That's not a very logical statement

Sanders was not running against Clinton in 2008

[bettyellen]

44. It wasn't logical for him to declare Obama the nominee before HRC conceded but....

He made that decision to. Now people have decided he has lost. Must be a little weird for him.

[Armstead]

45. So you're admitting it is illogical to proclaim a winning candidate before the votes are over?

[bettyellen]

47. I'm explaining Bernie was okay with calling it pre-convention before - as long as it was him doing

The calling. He may not approve of the way things have been done for years but it takes more than complaining to actually effect change.

[Armstead]

49. I'd say he has been working rather hard over the past year to effect change...

As have his supporters.

[bettyellen]

50. States decide how to run their primaries - that is a long slog....

And it will take years of work to make them run smoother. It is doubtful they will align to anyone process. Dems have been working to get disenfranchised voters back on the rolls in many states- Florida and Tx in particular for years without his help. It takes all of us. Not going to happen overnight.

[Demsrule86]

62. It is extremely logical

Bernie declared the race was over in 08 before Clinton conceded and before the convention supers voted...now somehow this year we are supposed to wait until the 25th? Why? There is no difference...the primary is over.

[Silver_Witch]

85. We are supposed to wait for the same reason Clinton WAITED in 08..

Pretty simple really.

Jeezeee....come on people. Give it a rest.

[Demsrule86]

90. She didn't wait

four days after the last primary she conceded and endorsed...she nominated Obama by acclamation at the convention.

[larkrake]

55. Obama was a progressive then, Hillary isnt, she is 3rd way and darker

[Demsrule86]

61. Really well I think many will say the Bernie's outrage is selective.

Well ,rules are rules ...you don't get to pick because you candidate lost and even if he never concedes she will be the nominee...he will just look like a fool.

[tex-wyo-dem]

56. Bernie wasn't running against Obama...big difference. nt

[Demsrule86]

60. No, it shows hypocrisy

Bernie declared the race over before the supers voted at the convention and before Clinton had even conceded...makes him look really bad.

[Ned_Devine]

32. Hang on there. That's logical and these folks are immune to it.

Their specialty is gifs of people rolling their eyes, rolling smiley faces, snark, condescension and bridge burning. Logic didn't make their list.

[tex-wyo-dem]

58. Yep...sometimes I feel like I'm in a virtual schoolyard with a bunch of 8 year olds...

wearing "H" tee shirts.

[passiveporcupine]

67. Not a lot of joy here

for a hell of a lot of us.

[Silver_Witch]

80. Ahh is your joy shredded. You let others destroy your joy?

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That is beyond sad.

Try not to let others affect you so.

[Matt_R]

87. Clinton tried to have a victory party...

her supporters decided on a pity party with a lot of whining about Sanders not conceding before the ballots were counted.

Oh well life moves on.

[tex-wyo-dem]

7. You know what I hate about many Hill supporters?

They turn everything Bernie does or says, or doesn't do or say, into an issue about sexism.

So Brockian...such utter bullshit.

[QC]

18. It's been going on for years here.

DUer A: I am troubled by Obama's inclusion of the individual mandate in his health care proposal.

DUer B (Superfan): Of course you would say that about the First Black President!!!11!!

[Matt_in_STL]

19. That actually happened to me yesterday.

There was nothing in my post about race at all but yet they tried to paint me as racist. Quite ridiculous.

[QC]

40. It's easier than trying to construct an intelligent argument

with supporting evidence and a bit of logic.

That's the biggest change since the early days of DU, I think--we've always been an argumentative bunch but we used to argue over issues and principles and such more. Now the discussions tend to be more like something from a fansite.

[Matt_in_STL]

43. It's one of the reasons I am dreading the GE

It is going to turn into a competition of "Yo momma" jokes followed by whining about sexism/racism/any other ism they can think of. Everyone lauded Hillary's "foreign policy" speech last week but it was mostly spent trying to insult Trump. I miss the days of speeches that covered actual issues and had substance.

[tex-wyo-dem]

23. Yeah, no kidding...

I think it's wonderful we have the first black president and great that the Dems may have the first woman candidate for POTUS (although I wish it were a different woman), but to use skin color or gender as a crutch to call out legitimate dissenting views in a democracy as racist or sexist is just despicable.

[mitty14u2]

8. OK Reality Check, Like Trump the “Presumed Nomination”

[Matt_R]

88. Only if people don't vote for Hillary in record numbers.

Or so I've read on here today.

[LexVegas]

9. He will call her tonight and then work like hell to get her elected. nt

[HooptieWagon]

10. Did they hold the convention early?

There's no nominee until the convention. Clinton supporters must be smoking something.

[Exilednight]

11. why should he?

[Txbluedog]

14. As far as Bernie is concerned this I'd not over yet

So there's no need for him to congratulate her until he concedes the race

[Time for change]

17. Very simple. Nobody has been nominated yet

Our corporate "news" media is nothing but a large conglomerate of highly paid shills, with no interest whatsoever in reporting on the things that are important to the people of this country. Now we're supposed to let them decide the outcome of a major election before it's over?

[floppyboo]

72. Add that to their cancelling exit polls - sheesh - enough already!

[mitty14u2]

20. Pledged delegates 1,812 to 1,521 Super-delegates 571 to 48

Pledged delegates Hillary 1,812 Sanders 1,521
Super-delegates 571 48

571 to 48 I don't think hundreds of Super-delegates are going to change there minds, back to the Reality Check. Bernie will do as he pleases but I wonder about the sanity or some alternative motive he is going to pop at the last minute!

[Matt_R]

89. wow, Clinton 54.3% pledged, vs Sanders 45.6% pledged...

Clinton 92.2% super delegates, vs Sanders 7.7% super delegates

#clintonmath

[ashtonelijah]

21. Because his supporters believe that their own real life Gandalf couldn't possibly lose to THAT woman

[pdsimdars]

22. Because she is not the nominee. The communications director of the DNC said as much.

Their RULES are that you cannot count the SDs until the convention. So it's just myth. But we hope you feel good, after all, isn't that all that matters, that you can feel good?

Neither candidate can get the 59% of PLEDGED delegates before the convention. This means that neither candidate can become the nominee until the contested convention. Those are their rules. So as far as the Democratic Party, she is NOT the candidate. As far as the misleading MSM. .. they made it up so they could get eyes on their stories.


Be uninformed, it's a free country.

[Demsrule86]

27. That does not happen in real life

Reality is upon you...no matter what you say or do.

[onenote]

36. As they say in Pirates of the Caribbean - they're more like guidelines than actual rules

How does one enforce such a rule? Sue the news media?

Inquiring minds want to know.

[pdsimdars]

64. No they are the Democratic rules.. . they appply to the Democratic party

the media can say anything it wants but that doesn't make it true. The Democratic Party is the one who chooses the nominee and those are their rules and their spokesman has come out on several occassions and said so.

Believe any fantasy you want, but those are the rules by the people who make the nomination.

[TwilightZone]

42. "Neither candidate can get the 59% of PLEDGED delegates before the convention"

A candidate doesn't need 59%. A candidate needs 50% + 1.

"Be uninformed, it's a free country."

Clearly, you've taken your own advice.

[passiveporcupine]

69. Not since they added supers into the game

now you have to get half plus one of all 'prospective' delegates, which means half of pledged plus one, and half of supers, meaning a total of 2383 pledged to 'clinch' the nomination...meaning that even at the convention, nobody can beat you, no matter how the supers vote. They can all go to the other side and you've still won.

Sorry, but you guys keep trying to perpetuate this myth and that's all it is. A myth.

[bigwillq]

30. He will at some point.

Likely after all the primaries have been contested. That would be my guess.

[Orsino]

31. Silly to ask the candidate for what would amount to a concession...

...when he's still campaigning.

July isn't far off, folks. Trump's not getting any more popular, nor the GOP any less flustered. Clinton supporters are welcome to support what looks like another milestone; what more is necessary now?

[yourpaljoey]

33. Pffft

[JackRiddler]

34. Because she has not been nominated?

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Also, she will not be the first woman nominated. Other women have run for president on a national ballot, including Jill Stein in 2012 as well this year.

Clinton is the first in one of the two parties that together form a cartel controlling elections in this country, yes.

Since she is an establishment politician with a big machine behind her (which has been running the Democratic party (into the ground) since 1992), it's not exactly astonishing.

[LanternWaste]

35. What was the precise time and date she was due this congratulation

What was the precise time and date she was due this congratulation, and do you consistently apply that same time frame of congratulatory adulation to all past elections?

[Sheepshank]

38. for all those that don't think her Presumptive Nomination is worthy of congratulations

...reminds me of the Republicans that attempted to deny Obama any kudos for finally getting Osama Bin Laden. They wanted to give all the credit to Bush...no siree no credit to Obama. Feels exactly the same to me.

[mitty14u2]

39. Bernie should Man up Congratulate her and keep running but say good job! Kumbaya

Kumbaya Kumbaya Kumbaya

[restorefreedom]

41. sexism! sexism!

#neverhillary
#bernieorbust

[mitty14u2]

46. Kumbaya is African not Sexist

[DisgustipatedinCA]

86. And the OP, who has also responded to your post, talks of "manning up". Ironic.

[QC]

48. Because he hates women, obviously.

Not only is he a misogynist, he's also a racist and a homophobe and he hates the rich because he envies them. That's why he wants to impose a Stalinist dictatorship on America--to punish the job creators. Also, lazy young people who just want free stuff.

There, I think I've summed up the primary campaign so far. It will be interesting to see if this sort of thing works on Trump. I have a hard time imagining him backing off if someone calls him a big ole meanie, but you never know.

[guillaumeb]

51. The candidate is actually nominated at the Convention.

Or would you like to proceed directly to the Coronation?

Sorry, I meant Oath of Office.

[Hiraeth]

52. You might be cute but, you ain't that cute. Welcome to Ignore.

[eastwestdem]

53. He won't ever, not in that way. It's not part of his character. nt

[larkrake]

54. because she is not. when she is, he will

[pdsimdars]

57. Because he live in reality and is abiding by the RULES, which Hillary has shown herself to be

incapable of.

The RULES say that you have to get 59% of the pledged delegates to be the nominee. Neither candidate has that. Therefore, it will be decided at the convention by the superdelegates. That is how it works.

Apparently many Hillary supporters, just like their candidate, find it doesn't suit them to follow the rules.

[demwing]

59. 2 reasons

1. Hillary will not be the first. There have been females nominated by their parties since the late 1800s.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_female_United_States_presidential_and_vice-presidential_candidates

2. Clinton does not have the pledged delegates needed to win before the convention, which is July 25th. What's your rush?

[mitty14u2]

63. Reading your Link?

like president Obama he is the First Black President and Hillary is the First Woman Presidential Nominee. ("both as vice-presidential&quot and ("considered&quot


(Two women have won the nominations of major parties, ("both as vice-presidential&quot candidates: Geraldine Ferraro for the Democratic Party in the 1984 election and Sarah Palin for the Republican Party in the 2008 election. As of now, no woman has ever won the presidential nomination of a major party, and no woman has ever become President or Vice President of the United States.[1] The only woman who was ("considered&quot for a presidential candidacy by an incumbent President was Oveta Hobby by Dwight D. Eisenhower.[2]

[Cheese Sandwich]

65. What do you expect from the leader of the Bernie Bros? It's pure sexism all the way.

/just kidding

[GeorgeGist]

66. How about a little honesty?

Member since: Wed Nov 20, 2013, 10:38 AM
Number of posts: 546

[mitty14u2]

71. Questioning my veracity

Questioning my veracity, My wife past away so did her name we both used thanks for reminding me.

[ancianita]

73. Now it's unofficial. He will when it's official.

[snort]

74. Derrrp.

[mitty14u2]

75. NY Daily News Headline Clinton Makes History as first Female Prez nominee To all Sanders fans,,

http://static1.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2665254.1465358684!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/index_635_390/390-primaries-0607.jpg

NY Daily News Headline Clinton Makes History as 1st Female Prez nominee

To all Sanders fans,, Keep on Trucking the world as heard your voice and will not be forgotten but praised in the history books.

http://www.nydailynews.com/

[Loki Liesmith]

77. Let it go

[BlueStater]

78. I don't know.

I guess it's because he's a sexist old asshole who hates women and a crazy old communist who's running entirely because of his ego. That's the answer you wanted from people, right?

[ancianita]

79. Because it's about finishing the primary race. GOT THAT??

All this online fudging around a democratic voting system is exactly we lose it.

All this casting shade on those who don't fudge around about it should get canned.

NOW.

Respectfully win. Think you can do that?

Let the man and his supporters finish.

Knock off the disingenuous parting shots. Think the Hillary people can do that?

[mitty14u2]

82. Oh that's special, the definition of condescending/sour grapes

Oh that's special, the definition of condescending/sour grapes, I hope you feel better in the morning, I am Not disingenuous, Thank You.

con·de·scend·ing adjective having or showing a feeling of patronizing superiority,

[JimDandy]

81. In 2008, Hillary didn't until after every single state voted and all the votes were counted.

So stop.

[onecaliberal]

84. Has Hillary told the truth about TPP, released the transcripts, came clean about the email,

Released the TRUE tax returns for the foundation?

[Quixote1818]

91. Are you talking about Victoria Woodhull because she was actually the first

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/hillary-clinton-not-female-presidential-nominee-article-1.2666318