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kadaholo

(304 posts)
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 12:50 PM Jun 2016

Perfect End to Democratic Primary: Anonymous Superdelegates Declare Winner Through Media

This is the perfect symbolic ending to the Democratic Party primary: The nomination is consecrated by a media organization, on a day when nobody voted, based on secret discussions with anonymous establishment insiders and donors whose identities the media organization — incredibly — conceals. The decisive edifice of superdelegates is itself anti-democratic and inherently corrupt: designed to prevent actual voters from making choices that the party establishment dislikes. But for a party run by insiders and funded by corporate interests, it’s only fitting that its nomination process ends with such an ignominious, awkward, and undemocratic sputter.

None of this is to deny that Hillary Clinton — as was always the case from the start — is highly likely to be the legitimately chosen winner of this process. It’s true that the party’s governing rules are deliberately undemocratic; unfair and even corrupt decisions were repeatedly made by party officials to benefit Clinton; and the ostensibly neutral Democratic National Committee (led by the incomparably heinous Debbie Wasserman Schultz) constantly put not just its thumb but its entire body on the scale to ensure she won. But it’s also true that under the long-standing rules of the party, more people who voted preferred Clinton as their nominee over Sanders. Independent of superdelegates, she just got more votes. There’s no denying that.

And just as was true in 2008 with Obama’s nomination, it should be noted that standing alone — i.e., without regard to the merits of the candidate — Clinton’s nomination is an important and positive milestone. Americans, being Americans, will almost certainly overstate its world significance and wallow in excessive self-congratulations: Many countries on the planet have elected women as their leaders, including many whose close family member had not previously served as president. Nonetheless, the U.S. presidency still occupies an extremely influential political and cultural position in the world. Particularly for a country with such an oppressive history on race and gender, the election of the first African-American president and nomination of the first female presidential candidate of a major party is significant in shaping how people all over the world, especially children, view their own and other people’s potential and possibilities. But that’s all the more reason to lament this dreary conclusion.

That the Democratic Party nominating process is declared to be over in such an uninspiring, secretive, and elite-driven manner is perfectly symbolic of what the party, and its likely nominee, actually is. The one positive aspect, though significant, is symbolic, while the actual substance — rallying behind a Wall Street-funded, status quo-perpetuating, multimillionaire militarist — is grim in the extreme. The Democratic Party got exactly the ending it deserved.


https://theintercept.com/2016/06/07/perfect-end-to-democratic-primary-anonymous-super-delegates-declare-winner-through-media/
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Perfect End to Democratic Primary: Anonymous Superdelegates Declare Winner Through Media (Original Post) kadaholo Jun 2016 OP
this is shockingly gracious considering it came from Greenwald geek tragedy Jun 2016 #1
As opposed to a caucus, the right to a secret ballot vote is the basis of our country. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author apcalc Jun 2016 #3
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #4
Superdelegates aren't anonymous. Greenwald knows better. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #5
Pretty close to my sentiments Beowulf Jun 2016 #6
+1 Jarqui Jun 2016 #8
Anyone who thinks this primary will have no backlash is kidding himself or herself. merrily Jun 2016 #7
they just ripped way ANY possibility of unity dana_b Jun 2016 #9
I was not even thinking about 2016. merrily Jun 2016 #10
There is nothing disillusioning about this process. These are the same superdelegates Sanders' R B Garr Jun 2016 #11
Consent felix_numinous Jun 2016 #12
Yay, Oligarchs! Octafish Jun 2016 #13
truthful ending = candidate with millions more votes wins. loser fights democratically msongs Jun 2016 #14
"...legitimately chosen winner of this process"?!? chervilant Jun 2016 #15
... the night before the largest state in the Country VOTES. Fucking DESPICABLE. AzDar Jun 2016 #16
Super-delegates were created for a purpose. BKH70041 Jun 2016 #17
Somewhat ironic ... Straw Man Jun 2016 #19
Wow, DWS, is that you?? n/t Kermitt Gribble Jun 2016 #20
You little people needn't bother actually voting. JEB Jun 2016 #18
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
1. this is shockingly gracious considering it came from Greenwald
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 12:52 PM
Jun 2016

I agree that the superdelegate thing needs to go.

That seems like a very worthy prize to offer Sanders supporters, a clear example of reform.

Dump superdelegates, dump restricted-hours caucuses, and everyone leaves happy.

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
2. As opposed to a caucus, the right to a secret ballot vote is the basis of our country.
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 12:53 PM
Jun 2016

Nothing like going to a caucus and getting pushed to vote for somebody you don't want, and this is the very reason those caucuses were not a big hit and most people stayed away. The Democratic Party will do just fine. It has survived for years without whiners and will survive for many more.

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TwilightZone

(25,464 posts)
5. Superdelegates aren't anonymous. Greenwald knows better.
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 12:57 PM
Jun 2016

Intentional ignorance is not a compelling trait in a "journalist".

merrily

(45,251 posts)
7. Anyone who thinks this primary will have no backlash is kidding himself or herself.
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 01:02 PM
Jun 2016

I don't give a frappe what you tell each other or yourselves on message boards, real life and long-term damage has been done. If you can't see that, it's your problem.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
9. they just ripped way ANY possibility of unity
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 01:09 PM
Jun 2016

and still have their heads in the sand that we will somehow "fall in line" because of big, bad Trump.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
11. There is nothing disillusioning about this process. These are the same superdelegates Sanders'
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 01:13 PM
Jun 2016

wants to subvert the will of the people to crown him instead of the candidate who actually won through popular votes and the most pledged delegates. But they went with Hillary instead, obviously after the commanding win she had in PR.

Changing things going forward is a goal, but Clinton abided by this same process in 2008 that didn't favor her. So it can be done. Where was Sanders' crying about it then? Oh, he was endorsing the winner -- Barack Obama.

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
12. Consent
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 01:18 PM
Jun 2016

has never been the goal. How the establishment has treated one of the most honest, inspiring and respected representatives in a long time has informed younger generations, and this lesson in how democracy 'works' in the US will NOT INSPIRE them to participate in the usual manners.

HOW on EARTH do you inspire people to vote and participate in democracy when it is not being ALLOWED? I am sure, when the normal channels have been closed off many people will become radicalized--making us ALL more unsafe and creating a greater chance of a militarized response. It is what we supposed to fear with Trump, but we can see that Clinton isn't far off using such ruthless means.

msongs

(67,395 posts)
14. truthful ending = candidate with millions more votes wins. loser fights democratically
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 02:10 PM
Jun 2016

determined outcome with tricks

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
15. "...legitimately chosen winner of this process"?!?
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 02:24 PM
Jun 2016

Puh-leeze!

The corporate oligarchs drive this Kabuki Theater, and they don't want Bernie Sanders anywhere NEAR the White House. So, brazenly and deceitfully, they've let We the People see just how far they'll go to insure their candidate(s) gets chosen.

I am thoroughly disgusted.

BKH70041

(961 posts)
17. Super-delegates were created for a purpose.
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 02:32 PM
Jun 2016

They're doing what they were created to do. The rank & file sometimes can get a little over-the-top and need to be properly tended. The system works. We'll keep it.

Straw Man

(6,622 posts)
19. Somewhat ironic ...
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 01:18 AM
Jun 2016
The rank & file sometimes can get a little over-the-top and need to be properly tended.

... on a site called Democratic Underground, no?
 

JEB

(4,748 posts)
18. You little people needn't bother actually voting.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 01:05 AM
Jun 2016

We of the $12,495.00 dollar jacket tribe have taken care of everything. Prepare your children to fight and die in the next war for profit.

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