2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumPerfect End to Democratic Primary: Anonymous Superdelegates Declare Winner Through Media
None of this is to deny that Hillary Clinton as was always the case from the start is highly likely to be the legitimately chosen winner of this process. Its true that the partys governing rules are deliberately undemocratic; unfair and even corrupt decisions were repeatedly made by party officials to benefit Clinton; and the ostensibly neutral Democratic National Committee (led by the incomparably heinous Debbie Wasserman Schultz) constantly put not just its thumb but its entire body on the scale to ensure she won. But its also true that under the long-standing rules of the party, more people who voted preferred Clinton as their nominee over Sanders. Independent of superdelegates, she just got more votes. Theres no denying that.
And just as was true in 2008 with Obamas nomination, it should be noted that standing alone i.e., without regard to the merits of the candidate Clintons nomination is an important and positive milestone. Americans, being Americans, will almost certainly overstate its world significance and wallow in excessive self-congratulations: Many countries on the planet have elected women as their leaders, including many whose close family member had not previously served as president. Nonetheless, the U.S. presidency still occupies an extremely influential political and cultural position in the world. Particularly for a country with such an oppressive history on race and gender, the election of the first African-American president and nomination of the first female presidential candidate of a major party is significant in shaping how people all over the world, especially children, view their own and other peoples potential and possibilities. But thats all the more reason to lament this dreary conclusion.
That the Democratic Party nominating process is declared to be over in such an uninspiring, secretive, and elite-driven manner is perfectly symbolic of what the party, and its likely nominee, actually is. The one positive aspect, though significant, is symbolic, while the actual substance rallying behind a Wall Street-funded, status quo-perpetuating, multimillionaire militarist is grim in the extreme. The Democratic Party got exactly the ending it deserved.
https://theintercept.com/2016/06/07/perfect-end-to-democratic-primary-anonymous-super-delegates-declare-winner-through-media/
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)I agree that the superdelegate thing needs to go.
That seems like a very worthy prize to offer Sanders supporters, a clear example of reform.
Dump superdelegates, dump restricted-hours caucuses, and everyone leaves happy.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)Nothing like going to a caucus and getting pushed to vote for somebody you don't want, and this is the very reason those caucuses were not a big hit and most people stayed away. The Democratic Party will do just fine. It has survived for years without whiners and will survive for many more.
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TwilightZone
(25,464 posts)Intentional ignorance is not a compelling trait in a "journalist".
Beowulf
(761 posts)Seems like a final nail in my disillusionment with the party and process.
merrily
(45,251 posts)I don't give a frappe what you tell each other or yourselves on message boards, real life and long-term damage has been done. If you can't see that, it's your problem.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)and still have their heads in the sand that we will somehow "fall in line" because of big, bad Trump.
merrily
(45,251 posts)R B Garr
(16,950 posts)wants to subvert the will of the people to crown him instead of the candidate who actually won through popular votes and the most pledged delegates. But they went with Hillary instead, obviously after the commanding win she had in PR.
Changing things going forward is a goal, but Clinton abided by this same process in 2008 that didn't favor her. So it can be done. Where was Sanders' crying about it then? Oh, he was endorsing the winner -- Barack Obama.
felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)has never been the goal. How the establishment has treated one of the most honest, inspiring and respected representatives in a long time has informed younger generations, and this lesson in how democracy 'works' in the US will NOT INSPIRE them to participate in the usual manners.
HOW on EARTH do you inspire people to vote and participate in democracy when it is not being ALLOWED? I am sure, when the normal channels have been closed off many people will become radicalized--making us ALL more unsafe and creating a greater chance of a militarized response. It is what we supposed to fear with Trump, but we can see that Clinton isn't far off using such ruthless means.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)These two make millions off UBS, thanks to Phil Gramm and their work repealing Glass-Steagall and stuff.
UBS! UBS! UBS!
Corporate McPravda
msongs
(67,395 posts)determined outcome with tricks
chervilant
(8,267 posts)Puh-leeze!
The corporate oligarchs drive this Kabuki Theater, and they don't want Bernie Sanders anywhere NEAR the White House. So, brazenly and deceitfully, they've let We the People see just how far they'll go to insure their candidate(s) gets chosen.
I am thoroughly disgusted.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)BKH70041
(961 posts)They're doing what they were created to do. The rank & file sometimes can get a little over-the-top and need to be properly tended. The system works. We'll keep it.
Straw Man
(6,622 posts)... on a site called Democratic Underground, no?
Kermitt Gribble
(1,855 posts)JEB
(4,748 posts)We of the $12,495.00 dollar jacket tribe have taken care of everything. Prepare your children to fight and die in the next war for profit.